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She insists that she takes her own baths and just took one, which of course she didn't. She cannot get out of the tub on her own. She will only bathe....has never taken a shower. I have tried everything. I have her tub set up with shower chair and removable shower head with hose.

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Don't ask. Just do it.
Say in a cheery voice, ok, "it's time for your bath now,"... help her get undressed,
walk her to the shower, and help or standby. Then, be prepared to help her dry off and get re-dressed.

If she feels uncomfortable with you, a hospice provider would send someone in to help with showering.

If she is still resistant to that, you can help her with sponge baths. Either prepare a large bowl, or the bathroom sink with warm water, a soft towel and some soap, and guide her to wash as much as she can. It won't be perfect. But it will be more than she is doing now. Or alternatively, some pre-moistened wash cloths, to at least wipe the face, neck, underarms, and between the legs.
You can get something for her to sit comfortably and soak her feet in warm water with Epsom salt. It doesn't have to be one of those fancy foot-baths - just a basin, like you would use for dishes in the sink, will do.

Treat her like its a spa day. Let her feel pampered and taken care of. She might be more open to such treatment. And, don't worry about daily bath or showering. She's probably not up to it any more. At least once a week, with a quick underarm clean in-between, will help for now.

You can wash her hair while she is sitting up in a chair or wheelchair.
Place some absorbent pads underneath first. Then, apply a little shampoo, lathered up in your hands, and give a little relaxing scalp massage. Then, gently pour some warm water over to rinse. And quickly pat with a dry towel.

Her comfort should be considered every step of the way. What is preventing her from showering now? If you can identify her concerns or fears, you know where you can help to remove those fears.
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OOPs, just saw I accidentally posted twice; but reading another answer gave me a further idea. Someone said when their dad said "I'm not dirty" he's told "We wash up every day." Kinda like 'we wash our hands before dinner.' With mom, maybe appeal to her Vanity: say, "We're going to Freshen Up", instead of how a little kid balks at 'BATH?!...OH NO!', lol. Just a thought; then take it to whatever level is needed; maybe some washups are very superficial, in between more thorough bathing. We all feel better when we 'freshen up', right? Now that I think about it I bet a similar tactic can be used with little kids: instead of 'bathtime' call it something else, 'let's go play with your water toys.' We should all have Rubber Duckies in our tubs anyway, ;-}.
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Sponge bath.

There are LOTS of reasons she may resist. Google / learn why some elder people do not want to bathe, i.e., they fear drowning.

"Some seniors avoid bathing out of fear of falling. Their vision may not be as clear as it once was, and they may feel unsteady standing in the shower or stepping in and out of the tub. Loss of mobility, muscle mass, and arthritis may make bathing or showering painful or difficult."

I question why you sound so insistent on getting her in a shower when you can do most of these hygiene needs in a bed or sitting on a chair. You say you've tried everything - have you tried a sponge bath?

You do not tell us ...
- how old your mom
- if she has dementia
- (What) physical limitations.
- If she lives with you / alone, etc.

All this information / background is needed for us to provide useful support / ideas on how to proceed. However, if you google as I mentioned above, you will get some important information on the 'why' and 'how' to proceed.

Gena / Touch Matters
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I would wait until she went into the bathroom and when she opened the door, I blocked the door and told her it was time for a bath. While she threatened to beat me up and said we going to fight with her fists in my face, i softly told her no, we weren't, and got her undressed and helped her into the tub chair and hosed her down with the shower hand hose which makes if super convenient. In between her showers, I clean her up with the spray foam and baby wipes. She is bed ridden now and is much easier to deal with, then when she was up walking around.
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BurntCaregiver Dec 27, 2024
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Sometimes getting them into the tub or shower is the same as getting an unruly kid having a tantrum into it. You did the right thing telling her that you would not be fighting with her and that she's getting washed up. You stayed in control of the situation and got done what needed to be done.

In many ways a bedbound individual is easier to care for. Especially if they are not longer being transferred to a chair.
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Supervise mom when she does take a bath, discreetly; in between actual baths teach her to do the 'pit' bath: armpits, crotch, etc. If your shower has no floor threshold to step over, or don't have to step into a tub to get in, it is less worrisome to an elder afraid of falling or of feeling 'boxed in.' See if a Physical Therapist or related helper can teach you and mom how to do sponge baths in between immersiona baths or showers. Also, treat her to a simple foot bath and while she's soaking her feet, with a little foot massage after the soak, sneak in a light washdown of her arms and legs; it might make her more inclined to enjoy a bath.
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Supervise mom when she does take a bath, discreetly; in between actual baths teach her to do the 'pit' bath: armpits, crotch, etc. If your shower has no floor threshold to step over, or don't have to step into a tub to get in, it is less worrisome to an elder afraid of falling or of feeling 'boxed in.' See if a Physical Therapist or related helper can teach you and mom how to do sponge baths in between immersiona baths or showers.
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She's not going to shower herself, so it's time to take over.

My mother (97) wouldn't have showered since 2017 if I had allowed it.

Once a week she gets a shower. She doesn't like the process, (she hates being wet) but when it's over she's happy and loves the fresh curls in her hair. I don't discuss it with her. I just walk her into the shower, sit her on the chair and get it done.

I also change her clothes every day and keep her clean and wiped up.

This is a dictatorship, not a democracy.
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BurntCaregiver Dec 27, 2024
Thatis well said, southiebella. This is a dictatorship not a democracy.
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My dad went through a stage like this. My sister got firm and said you dont smell too clean and we are having a wash and she got a small plastic bowl - you knwo the cheap ones that people use in their sink to wash dishes and soap/little disinfectant and couple flannels - one for face one for body.
We found out that my dad had slipped in the shower putting him off and once said he nearly didnt get out of the bath - so that was the basis of the problem - then the effort it took getting clothes off and washing - pain and lack of mobility = was the second big issue.
we helped my dad remove his clothes and change to a pair of boxer shorts then we helped wipe him down turning out back or holding towel up for him to wash private areas. Each day at same time the routine was wash time. Sometimes he would say i am not dirty - to which the answer is we wipe down daily and am setting the water. After a while it became routine and we were then with a little difficulty able to throw in a sit in the shower on a chair as well -
we then helped him dry and put on clothes - turning at private areas to give him some dignity.
If severe protests continue tell her straight - if she doesnt care for herself they will deem her unfit to live by herself and move her into care.
We also gave my after something to look forward to after - we will have a nice cup of tea after this then complimented him on how nice he looked and how fresh he was. Over time he actually agreed. Its not an over night process but keep drilling it and keep to a routine.
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My mom needs the "in the bathroom already" approach and sometimes a "be clean for church" or "friend coming for lunch" thought the last two need to be "real" since she remembers those.
Thank you responders for the reminder to review the day and date every day, every shift change (my parents have 24/7 in their home).
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My mom just recently passed from a long journey with Alzheimer's. Most dementia and Alzheimer's patients do not like any water on their face. It frightens them. Mom loved a warm bath but she began to say she had just taken one, also. I made a special calendar (large print)for her and kept it out daily. It included bath days and times. Med times and appointments. Myself and her caregiver while I was working would first go over the day of the week and date and show her what her day entailed. It worked quite well for a long time until one day I had to place her because she kept falling and I could not pick her up. This happened day and night. Some facilities have bathtubs and others do not. Most nursing assistants are in a hurry and lack time to be gentle and caring about water in the face. At that point, I demanded bed baths only unless a family member was there to assist.
I hope you find a way that helps to simplify and ease this transition.
God Bless
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cms4070: Hire a female bath aide.
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You are going to have to scare her! She acts like a child so treat her one! Say there is a huge spot on her back that needs to be soaked off! Keep on insisting that you need to soak it everyday! Tell her if it gets bad she'll have to go to the hospital! You can tell her to sit in the chair so her back can be hosed off! If she likes scents get her kids or baby shampoo and wash so you only have 1 bottle to handle! Get her pretty towels or new pj's or undies! Just think of things she used to like! Good luck! I also have a pouter and a liar and yesterday, Christmas he ignored me all day! He is using dementia as an excuse to be mean! His psychiatrist said that he only has mild dementia! She also said to divorce him! He lied the whole appointment! He is not a nice person and is using his supposed dementia to do mean things!
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LakeErie Dec 26, 2024
Ouch.
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Tell your mom your are taking a caregiving class and you have to practice giving someone a shower and would she help you and give you feedback and how good you are doing.
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You're probably going to have to go to her house and make her take a shower. You'll help her to do it. Sometimes you just have to wear them down.

Does your mother have homecare who can help her shower? She can't take baths anymore if she can't get up.
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I will just add that with my Mom it is definitely part of clinging to a shred of "independence," combined with extreme time distortion (she thinks the scaffolding up outside her building was there for 2 weeks, when it was really more like 8 months), and complete loss of any sense of smell. Trying to make it more physically comfortable is not the issue at all, and she knows it's not safe for her to do it alone -- so she just insists she "just had one" or doesn't need one. She also won't always let the aide wash all the clothes that need it (it's not dirty), so there is an odor transfer problem....She's had the same aide now for awhile, and they are making slow progress, plus I have been very blunt with her on several occasions about her body odor out of desperation, although I don't think she remembers the next day. But, just as with children, solutions are a moving target and everyone is different. Hang in there!
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I am a caregiver for my MIL, age 98, difficulty walking due to disintegrating lower spine and with dementia. I learned to just wait until she is on toilet, which requires my help, strip her down, stand her up, swivel to shower bench, lift feet into shower. I get in with her, put towels down on floor and pull curtain over. Then I get water warm with it shooting away from her and low. Then on her feet and ask her if it is too hot/cold. Then wash her down. I also have a heater in bathroom and keep it quite warm. I have a brush to rub her back and I massage her head and hair. She loves it. I only do this once a week. In between I wash all skin under diaper each morning with disposable wipes. She does her face in her chair with her small table in front of her each day while i make breakfast. She uses a disposable face wipe, face lotion and her lipstick.
Note- They will always think they had a shower yesterday because they don’t process time or language well so yesterday may mean “not so long ago.”
If you can ever get into shower, make sure it is a pleasant experience-slow, calm, let her help hold sprayer or wash cloth, give her towel to put over eyes when you do hair, massage her back, head, shoulders. Afterward, dry thoroughly, use lotion, file toenails and fingernails. We only do this once a week. I think she would like it more but I only have the energy for once a week - that is why I thoroughly clean bottom each morning and then apply salve/lotion to bottom to prevent sores. Keep bedding washed at minimum weekly, and air room when not in it.
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They usually have to go to the bathroom at some point and end up sitting on the toilet, right? I'm a caregiver, A certified home health aid. In these instances, I keep a bunch of wash cloths on the batheoom sink. As soon as I can I get the water going in the sink to warm it up. And I also have some plastic glasses. When they sit down on the toilet I begin!!! I fill the cup with warm water and once they've finished toileting I pour the warm water down their front and down their backside. Do it slowly so they get used to it. They normally go to the bathroom several times a day. You get done what you can get done each time they are in the bathroom. Of course the genitals is most important, the armpits, under the breasts, under bellies..
wherever there is a crease, wherever skin meets skin. You can always wash their hands wherever they are just by bringing the wash cloth to them. Especially if they're going to go somewhere, you can tell them you have to wash up a little first. You can try that and it may or may not work. Another thing is this....
The stronger language you use with them the worse it's going to be. If you act like they are going to push back they probably will. Try to set routines. After eating wash face and hands. Washing hands and face does not have to always be done in the bathroom. Especially if they like to go out or have something special they love to do, Tell them you can do that but they need to wash up "a little" first. "This will take just a very short time and then we can be on our way". Or something like, "We can hurry up and get our hands washed and our faces washed and then we can go". DO NOT ask their permission because you can tell they're gonna say no!!
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Here are some of the adaptive changes I've made to get the person I care for to shower:

A sliding bench from the toilet to the shower was installed.
Always ensure the water is warm. Let them feel the water temperature on their feet before going anywhere on their body.
Lots of encouragement: "You smell so nice", "I like it when my man is clean and shaved". "You are so handsome".
After the shower tell them how much better they feel now that they are clean.
I schedule the shower after lunch to put him in bed for a nap.
Install grab-bars in the shower so they have confidence they aren't going to slip and fall.

My perspective is they associate a shower with being cold so try to minimize them being cold.
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I went through all this with my 93-year-old mother. About a month ago I purchased a product from QVC called Scrubbs. They are a Godsend. They’re actually individual wipes/pads that you get slightly wet and they create a lather like you wouldn’t believe. You can wash your entire body, privates included, with one as well as your hair! You don’t rinse off, you just remove what’s left with a towel. My Mom loves them and uses them every day. Scrubbs get rid of all odor, urine, anything a shower or bath does.
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MSalazar227 Dec 26, 2024
Came to say this exact thing! These are the best things I’ve found for my mom regarding bathing.
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i gave up on showers or baths. we only use washcloths. it is what it is at this point . maybe leave her wet wipes so she can at least take care of her genitals so she does not get a UTI
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I don't know what your mother's personality and physical condition is like, so I can only give advice based on my own mother. It may or may not apply.

With my mother, I had to accept that with bathing, she had to call the shots. The more I nagged her, the more indignant and rebellious she became and the more she refused to wash or even change her diaper. When I backed down, she wouldn't bathe every day but every third or fourth day would ask me to help her into the shower. In between showers, every morning I would get her to wash her hands in the sink and while she was doing that, I'd clean her with hospital grade bathing wipes. This went well for awhile for a few years but as of last month, does not take baths anymore. I use hospital shower wipes, and she's fine.

I don't know how far along your mother is with her dementia or how bad her health is, but just know that there'll come a time when showers and baths are out of the question, and you'll have to use bathing wipes from that moment out, which is what hospitals use. With some people, it's like there's a switch marked bathing/no bathing that gets switched off permanently. A nurse who took care of my mother during one of her hospital visits confirmed it. She said she sees this all the time with dementia patients. She says that it doesn't make sense to them at their age and health to take baths and showers anymore and then ended with a cryptic, "They catch pneumonia fast."

I don't know if she was saying that maybe it's an instinctive thing to avoid showers because of potential pneumonia or they're just afraid of catching pneumonia but just know that it's not a simply a dementia issue, but something else. For instance, Christina Applegate admitted that since her MS progressed, she's become terrified of showers.

The terror is real. One of the biggest thing I ever regretted was making my father take a shower. He was in a shower chair and everything and in no danger of falling, wasn't in pain, water was perfect temperature, or but was so stressed out, he blacked out. I literally thought I had killed him, but no, he was fine but now knowing this "terror" angle, I feel in retrospect that I must have been like a torturer subjecting him to waterboarding. Showering is just this bizarre primal-like terror that some people with advanced age/dementia/illness have. If I had known then what I knew now, I would've never done that but I had no idea this was such a "thing". I thought the not taking a shower thing was just a head trip, a pride thing (older person not wanting to feel helpless, etc.) but it's not. It comes with the territory and you'll have to do with it the best you can. Not showering becomes a New Normal. I know it sucks, especially if your parents were the cleanest, most fastidious people you knew, but unfortunately yes, they may come to a point where they don't care about bathing, brushing, grooming, etc.
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First, maybe try putting up a calendar and tell her to mark each time she takes a bath. She won't mark it, of course. Then show her that she didn't mark it. Mark it yourself a couple of days the previous week or two, so she can see the difference.
Second, don't take the foul language and insults personally. It's hard, especially if your mom didn't "act" that way in the past. Let her argue and curse. If you haven't already, you just might want to try telling her to watch her mouth, or even tell her to shut her mouth. That might be tough to do, too, when you've been raised to respect your parents/elders, but a little shock to her might do the trick.
Third, have you tried the guilt trip? That's has worked with our loved one sometimes. "Your mother raised you to bath everyday - not just yesterday." Or, if she still thinks her mother is still living, something to the effect that grandma said take a bath.
Praying for you, for wisdom, patience, and breakthrough.
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cms4070, do you think your Mom would use baby-wipes. It's much better than not bathing at all. You should be able to find adult-wipes on-line. I remember when I was in the hospital, I got "warm" adult-wipes and it felt so good.
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First off, find out what she's afraid of or what's bothering her about the shower?
Is she cold? Get a space heater.
Is the stream of water too forceful? Get a hand held unit she can control.
Is the shower floor slippery? Get her water shoes from Amazon. This was my mother's problem and once the water shoes were put on, she was fine.
One woman was scared of the mirrors and being seen naked in them. Cover up the mirrors with towels.
If you can figure out what the issue is and fix it, then set 2 days a week for showers and don't ask.....just say Lets Go Mom, Time To Shower. No choices. Tell her the doctor ordered daily showers if she insists she took one yesterday. Tough love, be firm but insistent yourself.

If all else fails, hire a bath aide whos EXPERIENCED giving showers to elders with dementia.

Good luck to you.
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Does she have Alzheimer’s or dementia? They will always refuse a bath or shower unfortunately. It’s always a struggle. It has to be a creative endeavor or just live through the squawking.
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cms4070 Dec 21, 2024
She has dementia. Yes I try to be creative....it is a constant endeavor.
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Same with my mom. “Everything” goes on a calendar on her fridge, including “bath days” Tues. & Fri.”, that way she knows it’s coming. I also bought a small space heater to heat that space 1st. That has made it easier. :-) I have to remind her of when she was an ER nurse and people would come in that had not bathed, in Lord knows how long, and how she had to endure the stench … I said, mom, you don’t want to be one of those people!
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You say that you've "tried everything" but have you actually tried just taking her hand and leading her into the bathroom and helped her get into the prepared bath, and then of course just wash her up yourself?
That way she'll feel safe and you'll know that she's actually clean because you cleaned her yourself.
I would have to help my late husband into his walk in shower, sit him down and then wash him up real good, and then again help him out and dry him off.
And yes I always got a little wet in doing so, but at least my husband got his needed showers and he felt safe with me right there.
And of course if you're not comfortable bathing your mom, you can always hire an aide to come at least twice a week to do so, and then use the extra large body wipes and waterless shampoo caps for the in-between.
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cms4070 Dec 21, 2024
I am perfectly comfortable helping her bathe, which I have done many, many times, including lifting her out of the tub. She cannot get out by herself. She is not a big person so it manageable. Now she refuses every time. She says terrible things to me, and repeatedly insists that she takes baths on her own all the time. I have endured her wrath, foul language, orders for me to leave, pushing me and insulting me when I nicely talk with her about the importance of hygiene and explaining that she will feel much better when she is clean. She agrees and says that she took a bath yesterday or 2 days ago. I tried to convince her that a shower would be easier. I bought a shower chair, installed hand held shower, put my bathing suit on and got in and showed her. She told me to "take it away!" (the chair). I keep trying. Her daily caregivers offer to help her and she reluctantly let them help her with a bath a handful of times. But now she refuses. Because of her foul mouth and physical refusal, nobody pushes hard. The good news is she is still toileting herself and she takes sponge baths, just not thoroughly. She does not smell so I am thankful for that.
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Agree with others, and I do get what you're struggling with.
My aunt would fib that she sponge bathed. I knew it wasn't true because you smelled her.
When her neighbor would visit, she would want to sit and be social, and smelly.
Afterwards, I couldn't take it, and told her, I was getting her bath ready. She went to her room, shut the door, jumped in the bed, and threw the covers over her head. I don't believe I saw her spring so fast. She just wouldn't listen to me andwouldn'tlet me bathe her. Probably about three times I had luck.
So now my cousin has help coming, and since the help isn't family, I think the caregiver is having better luck than I did. Sometimes it takes an outsider that they'll listen to.
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You need to begin to take more of a role in her hygiene.
Chances are she also needs help toileting as well.
"Mom, I have your bath ready" Then you bring her into the bathroom and help her.
If you think about how many steps there are to getting a bath or shower ready then actually taking the bath or shower and "we" do it all without thinking of all the steps.
The alternate would be to hire someone to come in 2 or 3 days a week to give mom a bath or shower.
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cms4070 Dec 21, 2024
I do have a role in her bathing. She used to let me help her and occasionally she would let a caregiver. Now she refuses everyone. I have drawn a bath and told her it was ready. She became irate. I have helped her with baths many many times but she is/was proud and wants to wash herself. She was not thorough and does not use soap, so I would sneak in bubble bath and put soap on a cloth and wash her back and then continue to other parts...until she pushed me away. Now we can't get her to get in the tub at all. We keep trying to win her trust and find ways, but nobody pushes hard because she gets very upset and then the foul language and insults start. We keep doing what we can. She doesn't smell and takes sponge baths, but not often enough.
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You may need to hire a bathe aide to come in a few times a week. Not only do the experienced ones know the tricks of the trade in getting an uncooperative person to do what’s needed without a fight, it’s also often true that people will cooperate better for an aide than a family member. A CNA experienced with dementia patients looking for side work could be a great help to you both
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