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I posted last summer about my husband who was diagnosed with normal pressure hydrocephalus. He had refused any further testing or treatment and just decided that he would be fine.


Well, he’s not fine. His walking is much worse. He barely can take two steps; he’s holding onto the walls and furniture. He doesn’t want to use any kind of mobility device. We can’t get him to use a cane or walker or a scooter. He sits in a in a chair in front of the TV almost the whole day. It has gotten better in the sense that I am now taking care of the finances, so that’s a problem that’s no longer a problem. He thinks the people on the news are asking him to do things and he gets very agitated if we don’t understand what he’s talking about.


Our primary care doctor retired, so I found a new one and I talked with her about what was going on with him. I needed a letter from a doctor so the power of attorney would go into effect and I needed her to evaluate him, and she agreed to talk with him. I was able to convince him that Medicare required him to meet the new primary care doctor.


Well, it was a big waste of time. She did talk with him about the continuing progression of his condition, but he said he was fine. She looked at me and told me to take him to a neurologist. We’ve seen two and they both agree that at the least it’s the pressure on his brain causing his symptoms, but there could be other types of dementia involved which they could test for with spinal fluid, but he refuses.


He’s stopped showering, shaving and changing his clothes and he’s started having both urinary and bowel incontinence. He tries to hide the “evidence”; we had to replace a toilet because he tried to flush his underwear down and I’ve found soiled underwear in the dresser and in the closet. I bought him Depends but he won’t wear them — he denies there’s any problem.


Yesterday was the last straw. The house was suddenly filled with a terrible stench. He had an accident on the way to the hall bathroom (I guess, since he denies there was a problem) and there was a trail of poop from that bathroom to the master bath, on the walls (because he can’t walk without holding on), the tile, and the carpet. I had to have a friend pick up my 2-year-old granddaughter because I was afraid she would touch stuff. My angel of a cleaning lady came over and spent a couple hours bleaching the walls, the counters, the floor, and the carpet where he walked.


I just can’t live like this anymore. I’m so angry that when he still had his wits about him he made this choice for us. I just want to take my granddaughter and run away. He’s only 74, so this could go on for years. And throughout all this he is verbally abusive to me. It is all too much to handle.

It's beyond time now to get your husband placed in the appropriate facility.
Your husband may be in denial about his situation, but you aren't, and someone now has to be the adult in this situation, so guess what? Tag...your it.
It sounds like he's now beyond being able to live in an assisted living facility, so I would start looking into the skilled nursing facilities in your area to get him placed in sooner than later.
And throw away ALL of his underwear and replace them with Depends. That way he won't have a choice but to wear the Depends.
I wish you well in getting your husband placed soon.
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Bulldog54321 May 11, 2025
Yes, stop giving him choices. He has a broken brain and he can’t be allowed to have any type of authority in making decisions.
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Yup, call APS and get them on board. Tell them you have reached your breaking point.

Throw away all of his underwear and only put depends in the drawer.

Next time he starts screaming, just calmly and quietly go in the other room and call 911 and tell them something is wrong with your husband and he needs to do to the ER. If you can get to the hospital, start telling everyone “unsafe discharge”
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JanPeck123 May 12, 2025
If he's refusing the Depends, he will probably go without underwear.
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I'm so sorry for this distressing situation. I would start by finding a new primary doctor who will do more than chit chat with him: he needs an actual cognitive and memory test, such as the Mini-Mental State Examination (MMSE), the Montreal Cognitive Assessment (MoCA), or the Mini-Cog. Make sure to be in the exam room with him the entire time so that when they ask if he wants the cognitive test (draw the clock face, remember 3 words after 10 minutes) you can make sure he takes it. This is the very basic test.

At the doctor's office, ask for the HIPAA Medical Representative form. He writes in your name, signs it and returns it to the reception desk so they have it on file. This allows his doctor to legally discuss his private medical information with you without his further consent or presence.

Go into his medical portal and send a message to his primary doctor. Give some background and tell them he needs a diagnosis of cognitive and memory impairment sufficient to require full-time advocacy so that your PoA can become active. This is what I did with my Mom's doctor, who did exactly as I asked.

Also keep a journey of his activity and take video so that he can't fool the doc.

Also, if you haven't already checked out support groups you may get good guidance from people who have been there and done that:

Hydrocephalus Association
https://www.hydroassoc.org

National Hydrocephalus Foundation
https://nhfonline.org

Hydrocephalus Support Group, Inc.
https://rarediseases.org/organizations/hydrocephalus-support-group-inc
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MiaMoor May 11, 2025
Great information and advice.
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As long as someone appears vaguely competent 911 cannot force them to hop in the ambulance. You need to have something dramatic to show the EMTs. A poop trail up the hall and along the wall would probably do it especially if you’re able to tell them it’s new and you are terrified he’s having a stroke. If he falls and can’t get up but isn’t in immediate danger don’t help him up. Call 911 and tell them you’re in a panic about a possible stroke or UTI or similar. If he’s ranting and raving you can call the police and tell them you’re afraid for your life. I’m sorry to say it has to be dramatic or he can just say no.

This probably sounds sneaky and makes you feel guilty. Please don’t. It’s literally for his own good, not to mention yours. You can’t handle incurable brain disease yourself any more than you could perform a surgery he needed. Convince yourself those are the same kind of thing, because they are.
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Call APS and tell them he has gone beyond ur ability to care for him. He needs to be placed. Tell the neurologist you need him put in a hospital and all the neccessary tests done. Once done, you need him placed. You cannot physically care for this man.
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You don't have to live like this. Call 911 and tell them he's lost control and you're afraid. Once in ER, repeat "unsafe discharge". They are required to find placement. Wishing you the best of luck. You deserve a peaceful heart.
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Cindy,

Geaton told you,
"At the doctor's office, ask for the HIPAA Medical Representative form."

If this could be difficult, I would say that it's so he doesn't keep having to go to the doctors every time, rather than because it gives you power to talk about his health without his further permission.
It sounds as if he's too combative and too paranoid to do something that would help you, but he might do something that saves him trouble.

Next time he gets aggressive with you, you might want to call out the police. If they take him into the ER, you could ask them to do cognitive testing. Then, refuse to take him home because of his increasing aggressive behaviour. Especially with a child in the house.

Other people here know the correct way to go about this. (I'm assuming you're in America, whereas I'm in the UK.) Hopefully, someone else will give you this information.

I'm so sorry for what you are having to deal with. And I'm sorry that arrangements weren't in place before, although it's possible that your husband's brain was already too badly affected for him to make good decisions.

Wishing you well.
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Thanks for all the advice. Also for confirming that I am not wrong in believing this is too much to handle myself. I feel so guilty when I think of having him moved to a memory care situation but I just have to get over it. He has signed a release so I can discuss his medical situation with his doctor. His old primary care did the Medicare cognitive test and the results (i.e. his clock had so many numbers that spiraled into the center, he couldn’t remember 3 things, etc.) prompted her to send him to a neurologist. This was almost 2 years ago and he has gotten progressively worse. But 2 primary care physicians and two neurologists and no one will give me a letter to put the POA in place even after he tried to make a call using his wallet as the phone. They want him to do the cognitive test that takes a few hours and he refuses to do any more tests. It’s so frustrating!
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cover9339 May 13, 2025
Sorry for both of you; can't blame your husband for not wanting to do any more tests. Sometimes it can be too much.

Good luck to you both!!
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I agree with Slartibartfast. Calling EMT will not help much. My aunt's neighbor was on me texting me while I was out of state at work trying to concentrate. "She fell again. How long is this going to go on? She cannot go on like this. You're her POA. You have to do something". Meanwhile, my POA wasn't activated, yet until she was incapacitated.
Someone gave me the same advise to call EMT and they will get her transported and tell them not to discharge her.
How wrong was that? I called them and they came out. She was obstinate and she refused to go with them. I could hear her screaming from my line, "No! No! I'm not going no where! NO!" I had to step out into the hallway of my employment and I, too, was screaming and crying and begging for them to take her to be evaluated. I was tired of the calls about her falling and them not being able to lift her and pictures from family of her on the floor with her pants down her ankles.
The EMT guy told me, "Listen. Calm down. This isn't jail. Your aunt has her her rights. If she doesn't want to go, she has her right, and as far as we can tell, your aunt is fine and in good health."
Fine? Are you serious? Are you kidding me? How could they look at her say she looked fine when she looks like a skeleton? As far as Slartibartfast mentioning the poop trail, they (EMT) indeed saw it, as you couldn't miss it. Stains and trails everywhere, yet because she refused to go and be evaluated, they did not make her.
They left a bunch of brochures on aging and getting the help you need, which were useless and frustrating, because no one ever picked up the phone to assist.
I'm so sorry you're experiencing this. Me being out of state and trying to help someone who only wanted the help SHE wanted and not what she needed was only frustrating me more and making me ill. I wish you all the best. What I've learned is our health care system is horrible. You get no help when you really need it because they're overwhelmed, themselves.
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Patathome01 May 17, 2025
Yes, so many stupid excuses for lack of help! When is help, when he dies after he falls into his poop??
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It’s funny how some things happen. I was looking at something on Facebook from my sister-in-law and there was a post from a friend I hadn’t seen or talked to in years and she was the assistant director of an assisted living a few hours north of me. She referred me to a woman who finds the “right” place for people (like a realtor for memory care). She took my son and I out to look at several places and we found a place that was perfect! It feels more like a hotel; it was so bright and cheerful and clean; no bad smells and people involved in different things. I felt such a relief that I didn’t have to send him to some depressing place. After visiting a few places my son and I decided we didn’t need to see any more. They had a private room with a bathroom so we took it. They have several doctors who will come to the house to evaluate his condition which is so obvious I can’t imagine there being any problem.

The problem will be in how to get him there. And they also said it’s better not to visit him for a week or two. Any advice?

I feel such a relief and guilt because I feel relief but I think I’ll get over it.
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MiaMoor May 17, 2025
I'd go along with their advice about when and for how long to visit your husband (unless it's for more than you can handle).

They have the experience and would only advise you to stay away if it was in your husband's best interests.

If your POA is activated, but your husband is still both resistant and combative, you may need to be creative with the truth.

I'd ask for advice from the AL about ways to navigate the problem of getting your husband there, as well.

If your POA isn't activated, you won't be able to place your husband against his wishes. So, that is a priority.

I hope this works out for you.
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