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This may be a long shot but I’m at my wits end and just need someone to agree that I’m not crazy for feeling the way I do. My husband and I have been married only two years, we had a rough for year due to a miscarriage but we were blessed with a wild now one year old shortly after. I also have a seven year old from a previous marriage who has been raised by me and my husband since he was 2. So in all we have been together five years. Recently his father found out he was sick and that it could be throat cancer. He has a biopsy done, a trach put in and feeding tube not long after due to the trach. He was working full time climbing 60ft trees up until the day before his biopsy. After a week in the hospital he came to stay with us under the understanding it was until he got a handle on the trach care and we got a plan of attack for whatever he had. After. Well that was a month ago and long story short he had to have a second opinion and that result came back yesterday, it’s stage 3 throat cancer. It’s very contained to one area and the dr is confident it’s very curable. They will start chemo & radiation next week. Yesterday afternoon he came home and informed me he was moving in for good with us. No discussion with me nor my husband just decided on his own. To say the past month has been easy would be a lie. I stay home with my kids. I raise them and handle the house. Since he has moved in with us he has taken over completely. My living room is where he lives. Even though we took our one year olds playroom away and created a bedroom for him, he refuses to use it and stays in the living room 24/7. He controls the tv and doesn’t allow me or the kids to watch anything we want. He has no issues ordering me around all day even when I’m trying to get my little one to nap or feed him. I wash his clothes, clean his bathroom and bring him anything he needs. He has also made me remove all of the kids toys out of the living room because he says they make to much noise. So my bedroom is where I live now. My one year old was never a big talker but since the change he has regressed and doesn’t talk at all now. My relationship with my husband is so strained it causes me anxiety. He wants his dad to live with us forever and I just can’t do it. I’ve tried so hard to be ok with everything but I can’t handle it all. He works full time so I’m the one home all day with his dad and the kids. I’m only 29 and I never saw this as my life. I knew one day we would have to care for our aging parents but I didn’t see this at my age with small kids. I feel so much guilt for feeling like I do. I’m so scared my once happy marriage is lost & I can physically see the negative affects on the kids already from this situation. I’ve suggested his dad move back to his house which is seriously 7 miles from our house but my husband insists his dad emotionally needs us and I need to just suck it up. I don’t know what else to do at this point. I feel like I’m In a dark hole and there is no escape.

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I also agree with CarlaCB. Great answer. Best of luck to you. Your husbands attitude that you "just need to suck it up" is not very nice.....................don't let him push you around. Good luck. xx
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The FIL is obviously used to getting his own way, and can't get his head around "No, you can't take over my house." He's also obviously used to bullying his son, who grew up with this. It's a real toughie, and the Aging people might be able to help--but he needs to have a strong-minded man talk to him--he won't listen to a woman. Is his doctor that strong man? Can you find one who is?
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This can be solved by one thing:  Boundaries.  Either set some, or give up.  

It is NOT OK that he told you he was moving in with you for good. That is NOT his choice, and never will be. The fact that your husband went along with it at all is deplorable. The Bible says that once you are married, you leave your parents, and live with your spouse. It never says you have them move back in with you permanently at whim. EVER! Set a boundary with your husband about his Dad.

  1) Regain your dignity. 2) Take back your home 3) Do it immediately. You can do this by the following method: 1) You and your husband have to have THE TALK now. Your FIL either needs to move out on his own, or into assisted living, and your husband has to accept some of the blame. Ask your husband if he wants your marriage to succeed, or fail... It's that clear of a decision. 2). If neither guy will budge, then reclaim your house on your own, Do this by a)moving the TV into your bedroom, and place a lock on the master bedroom door. b) Move your kids' toys back wherever you want them. c) Tell your FIL he can move into his assigned room, or he can leave. 
Set a boundary with your FIL.  There needs to be a limit. 

It is YOUR home, not his. I know we are supposed to always honor our parents, but we do not have to be their doormats. Your FIL is trying to make your life unbearable, and I think he has succeeded. However, YOU are allowing it. Stop doing everything for him, and demand some respect. 

If he wants clean clothes, he is over 12 years old, so at my house, unless he was bedridden, he would have to do his own laundry. If your FIL leaves his clothes, or belongings in the den, I'd give him one warning, then I'd start a collection pile, and give them to a thrift shop rather than allow the lazy moocher to get them back. He would learn to pick up after himself, or do without.  My teenage children tried to disrespect me once, and they lost a few toys and clothes before they caught on!  There has to be boundaries, for everyone's sanity. 

Both Men are taking advantage of you. It's now or never. Good luck.
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your husband and your fil are being completely unfair to you -- he has his house - he has a fiance and he has you and your husband willing to help out - that does not mean take over the house like it's his - have a little heart to heart with fil and tell him as much as you are willing to support him / he has no right to take over your life like he is doing.
hoping things get better - counseling for all is the answer - they can point you to help in all directions. good luck to you
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Does your husband have siblings? Is your FIL home a house, condo, apt and does he own? Maybe you can suggest that you go to his home after his treatments with the premise it would be more peaceful for him. I'm not sure how much he needs but maybe a caregiver to help. If he only needs you to transport him to and from hospital for treatments maybe there is a service who could pick him up and drop him off. If he doesn't need you 24/7 maybe while he is at your house you and the kids can go to his. Peace time for you and the kids.
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Contact your local Area Agency on Aging. You can get Caregiver Support for yourself having to deal with FIL and for you husband to understand what caring for his father entails. They may also be able to arrange for services for FIL to give you a break. He should be in his own home and they can assist in making sure he has the services he needs for fill in around what you and his fiancé can do for him. If he does continue to stay with you, you need to take your house back. Your children need to be able to be children, watch what they want in the Living Room and have their toys there also, especially since the room that was their play room is now his room. Does he have a favorite chair in the LR? Move it to his room, does he have his own TV? Bring one from his house. I agree that you need a break and the goal is to get him back in his own living space. Suggest that if he does not feel he can live on his own any long that it may be time to look at Assisted Living. Set a move out date, maybe Jan 1st, that he needs to make plans that he is living somewhere else by then. Draw the line in the sand and stick with it.
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Whoa, currentnurse...let's not start blaming the victim here. Avshey is under no compulsion to follow the advice of a group of strangers, not all of whom even agree with each other. The best thing she can do is sort through the responses, take what works for her and discard the rest. She knows herself and her situation far better than we do.
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Your not listening!! Your going to self destruct if you don't take a strong stance against your husband. Your children are going to suffer permanent damage from this set up. Tell hubby your done. Give him a couple options (already suggested) and don't back down. He will come to respect you in the long run. No one respects a door mat. Go stay with your parents until your husband gets the message.
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FIL doesn't get to dictate "he's moving in" without discussing it with you and your husband.
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I'm curious what you mean when you say "He made me.....".

How exactly did he "make you"? He told you that's what he wanted? Did you say "no, this is my house, I don't want it that way"?

You are an adult and a parent. You need to be able to say "no" in order to be able to protect your children. If you don't have the skill set to do that, seek some help from a counselor or therapist to learn those skills.
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You NEVER give up your home - you tell "them" to leave. I had to tell my neighbor the same thing and she changed the locks on the door. To say her DH got the message is an understatement.

I told my DH what I advised you to do - and he agreed whole-heartedly. He also agrees you can't have 2 Roosters for 1 Hen. Won't work.

If you leave - you lose everything - some states call it abandonment. That's why I suggested you tell your sweetie to take his wonderful father and go live in Dad's house together for a while - he'll come around.

My DH is fond of saying that to teach a mule you first have to get his attention. A 2x4 on the head works, lol. He had to plow with a mule when he was a child.

Be brave, be firm, you ARE worth it.
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Subduedjoy - I would like to think that all men are not the way you describe them, but the one I married was exactly that way, and my marriage lasted less than 5 years because of it. Maybe my marriage would have lasted if I had been willing to accept my husband putting his family above me, but I wasn't. I can't speak for the OP, of course.

I think when you're a married couple, both people (reasonably) expect that to allow any other person to reside in their home has to be a mutual decision. It's not something one spouse can just impose upon the other. To do so implies a lack of respect for the spouse as an equal partner and a lack of concern for their feelings and happiness. I hope most men wouldn't think that that's okay.
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The man is a bully, and his son (your husband) won't stand up to him so you're going to have to. You need to tell your husband that you simply will NOT put up with the situation as it has been - PERIOD! Then walk away because obviously, your husband has no backbone when it comes to his dad so you are going to have to take control over the situation. You can do it, there is no reason you can't. What have you got to lose!
Very sweetly and nicely tell Bill (or Frank or Ted or Loser or whatever your FIL's name is) that you were willing to make some temporary sacrifices, but if the situation is going to be more permanent some things will need to change. Tell him that if he is going to be staying in YOUR home, then he will be doing so as a guest and is not going to be the one calling the shots. Keep you tone sickening sweet! It will throw him off guard.
DO NOT let him push you around! Put the toys back in the living room, and insist on your kids play as loudly with them as they want - very nicely and sweetly tell him "I know the kids can be noisy, so I've created a very nice, quite room for you so that you don't have to be in the middle of the noise when the kids are playing in their own house". And keep in mind that if he doesn't like it can leave the room, it's YOUR room not his. Hide the remote so he can't find it, when he asks for it tell him you don't know where it is. Ignore his requests for food or whatever his selfish demands are (just say "okay, just a minute" then go on with whatever you are doing. You really have to show him that you will not kowtow to his selfish, demanding ways and the best way to do it is with a sweet smile on your face! He won't know what the hell has hit him!
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Two things I've learned during my life time:

1) Men love wives who get along with their families, and men tend to fall out of love with wives who don't get along with their families.

2) We can't control others. We can control only ourselves.

So to answer your question. Your husband wants his dad to live with him. You have some options. You can leave your husband, you can accept your husband's wishes, or you could try bargaining with your husband.

As for your father-in-law's behavior, you aren't going to be able to change him. If he's going to want to hang out in the living room, then that's what he's going to do.

However, you don't have to wash his clothes, clean his bathroom, or bring him anything he needs. If you want to do these things, then that's your choice. But no one can force you to do these things.

You could try bargaining with your father-in-law. You could do some of the things he wants you to do if he does some of the things you want him to do.

And then, does your father-in-law realize how you feel? Does he know that you'd like some time alone with the kids in the living room?

And you could try bargaining with your husband. Since it's really important for your husband that his father stays, then you could bargain for more time for yourself, more space, a limit on your father-in-law's stay, ...

And then, does your father-in-law have any hobbies that would take him out of the house sometimes? Are there any nearby senior centers that he could go to sometimes to socialize and enjoy himself?
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Dubya. Tee. Eff. I know you are young, dear, and have a young child. I know your husband is THE MAN OF THE HOUSE, blah blah, beating his chest oozing with righteousness. He probably learned it from you F-I-L who has taken over YOUR house. I don't know what to tell you., You sound like a timid little 'yes dear' type who let's the man push you around, so unless you learn to stand up, demand the old man get out of YOUR house, and move back to his own - then you can deal with him and see he gets what he needs. At a distance. Until then, I fear you are stuck. It might be better for you if YOU could move out, in with a friend or relative, taking your child, and let husband deal with dear old dad on his own. (god only knows what will become of the house with those two in it!) I wish you luck. This is a hard situation all around, I don't mean to take sides, I know it is tough. But you are the wife and mother, you need your own house, and even though the poor old guy has a bad diagnosis, should YOU become his caregiver and very soon, his nurse? He will need a lot more care as he deteriorates. More than anyone not in the medical field can do. All I can think of is you stand up to them and move out if you have to. Good luck.
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I would be all for cutting the man some slack were he not being a tyrant. But he is being a tyrant, so cancer or no cancer, healthy boundaries need to be established with him and quickly. He is using cancer as an excuse to manipulate and control his family. And that is wrong.
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Guilt means you have done something wrong. You have not. You have no reason to feel guilty. Your living arrangement is so wrong on several levels. The Bible's command. "That is why a man will leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife" is very good advice on a lot of levels. You children must come first. You are the only one to protect them. If your husband doesn't step up to the plate, you need to look at other arrangements. This sounds harsh, but your FIL is totally out of line and your husband is too for expecting you to live this way. Get counseling for yourself now because I bet your husband won't go with you.
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Your husband will probably be unable to face his dad in the way he should to protect his relationship with you and his kids. His dad raised him. That is engraved in stone and it may be nearly impossible for him to overcome it. However, your husband needs to see how his dad taking over your household will affect your marriage and his own parenting. Lay down the rules. In the dad's defense, it doesn't sound like you've been very clear about the boundaries and, to someone who isn't particularly able to put themselves in the shoes of others, that's a license to take over and make demands.
If his house is just 7 miles away, there's no reason for him to be under your roof 24/7. With cancer treatment, there are good days and bad days. He could stay with you (or your husband with him) on the bad days. The rest of the time, you explain that he stays in his own house. Also, set a 'move out' day when he won't be staying with you any more. Also, put a TV in his bedroom and that's where he can call the shots on where your son's toys can be. If you're OK with toys in the living room, FIL has to live with it or enjoy the privacy of his room (or his house). For starters, explain that everyone deserves privacy and respect. And, that he is a welcome guest in YOUR HOUSE.
If you're serving him and letting him dictate where your son's toys go, YOU are the place you need to start. Before you can think of telling him what's acceptable, you have to tell yourself that you have the right to set the rules.
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The original question was about wanting FIL to live on his own. The resounding answer to that is "YES".
Now he has a very serious illness which has come on him suddenly plus a trach and a feeding tube both of which make him feel very vulnerable and not as manly as he was.
He may also be running away from his fiancee because he now feels that marriage to her is questionable because of his diagnosis and he may not be able to take care of her in the long term.
Imposeing himself on you for the long term is a whole different kettle of fish because he knows or hopes his son has control over you and will continue to do his bidding and you are abetter bet for providing terminal care should it come to that.

The Dr may say he is confident that the throat cancer can be cured with treatment but you never know till it happens and Drs are notorious for underestimating their patients prognosis. They tend to see every death as a failure on their part.

FIL may be afraid that when push comes to shove if he needs extensive care fiancee may just fade off into the mist. You on the other hand are tethered to his son whom he feels he has control over plus hubby has already demonstrated that he fully supports his fathers wishes.

Now the period during treatment will probably be pretty rough on FIL. If you have aver been around someone undergoing RT and chemo they are usually very sick and feel like cr*p so it is not unreasonable to expect you or someone else to care for him during that time.

Some ground rules need to be laid down and you have to stop letting him get away with his current behavior which also means standing up to hubby as well.

I have no problem with you cleaning and doing laundry etc. However he has to understand that taking over the whole house 24/7 is not acceptable. Does he have a TV in his room? If not put one in their or make him buy one. Return the children's toys to the living room if there is not another area where they can play. He sleeps in his bedroom not the living room. If he sleeps in a chair because it is more comfortable move that chair to his room. He is responsible for picking up his own stuff unless he becomes too sick. If you go to clean his room and it is cluttered just scoop everything up in a pile don't pick stuff up and hang it up all up.

By all means go to councilling alone or with hubby. That part is essential if you are to continue to be married to this man..

There may be some extremely difficult decisions ahead for you but you are the only one who can make them and they should always be in the best interests of your little ones.
Finally do you have older friends or relatives such as parents you can unburden yourself to. You don't have to actually take any advice but it is helpful to talk to someone who actually knows the people concerned. Best of Luck. This is not going to be easy for any of you but You can do it for the sake of your kids.
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I was thinking of posting something similar Countrymouse, I think advocating ultimatums and even breaking up the family is going a little overboard.
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Um.

FIL is an otherwise fit, active 60 year old man who recently received a diagnosis of throat cancer, has a tracheostomy, and is about to start chemo and radiotherapy.

Granted that doesn't mean he can treat his son's home and his son's wife as his own (though I really hope he wouldn't treat his fiancée like this anyway). Granted that doesn't mean the OP and her family should be stuck with him for the duration of his treatment and, God willing, recovery.

But we can cut the man a bit of slack, can't we? It's not like he's selfishly given himself cancer just so that he can come and take over the household. Besides, the OP came onto the forum for reassurance that she wasn't crazy or selfish, and she's neither of those things. She just wants to steer him back home, and gently does it would be my advice.
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If you give in to this without standing up for yourself, you are teaching your sons how to treat women. There are many children who feel very abused by their mothers because the mother did not stand up to the father and protect the children from the father. And it also goes the other way around. Some people know that their father didn't stand up to their mother to protect the children. When you see the sad cases on tv where a child has been abused, BOTH parents go to jail. The mother may have been abused herself but she is generally blamed for not getting her child out of the bad situation.
I'm not saying your situation would be considered harmful to this degree but you are being objectified as a woman and your opinion is not being considered nor the affect on your children.
I guess your husband was raised by his father and sees this as right action. Time for him to figure out who HE is. What happened to husbands mother?
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Your message reached my heart. First what good news that the Doctor feels the throat cancer is curable.
However, you are first responsible for yourself and your infant children - then the oath you took when you married your husband. Note that he took the same oath. I firmly believe (and I am 80 yrs old) that the best for both you and your husband to do is agree to get professional help. If you don't like the first person you see - get another. The important thing that is that both you and your husband have someone trained in this kind of thing counsel both of you. Don't be surprised if he will not welcome that with open arms. If he refuses to go - YOU GO!! You deserve that kind of counseling now- please take advantage of it! It seems to me from what you have written that you and your children's needs are not being considered "BIG TIME". The comments I have read support that theory. Instead of getting mad and feeling hurt - and of course afraid- find a good therapist schooled in this type of situation - it will be your life line in a bad storm. You do not have to be alone - you just need guidance on how to handle yourself and do the best for your children during this difficult time.
What I am controlling myself not to do is find fault with anyone involved! I would leave that up to a person educated and trained to handle just this sort of thing. I am sure you are not the first (nor will be the last) person that has faced this situation at sometime in their life.
In the meantime - know that if I were your neighbor I would give you any comfort you need at the time. So pretend I am beside you just giving you a hug - patting you on the back - and telling you everything is going to turn out for the best. You are not alone - from what I have read there are many people on this site that are here to support you. Please keep us informed.
Oh and let me give you a big big hug
RosePetal
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I agree with everyone, but if at all possible, sending "the men" to FIL's house beats leaving your own; "possession is 9/10ths of the law" - remember? Hopefully, it won't come to that, if your husband can be reasoned with at all. Also, someone posted to let your husband read all these answers; a good idea if he doesn't listen to you....
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I believe you already know what you need to do and you are asking us for justification. And that’s fine. From the responses you’ve already gotten, you know you have it. My husband was also a son first. It wasn’t until I put my foot down that things changed.

Your husband has chosen his father over you. Even though your husband knows his father is a boil on your backside, he has chosen allegiance to his father instead of you. Ok. So let him. Let the 2 of them find someone other than you to do their bidding. You can only be used if you let yourself be. You are being verbally and emotionally abused. You’ve tried defending yourself and asking for the situation to change and your requests were met with anger and nothing was done. You need to protect yourself and your children.

Do you have parents or a relative you can go stay with for a while? Even a close friend. Let your FIL and husband fend for themselves. Wash your hands of them. You know from this incident that you can’t count on your husband to support or defend you. That won’t change. He will do the same thing whenever you face any trying times.

Pack up yourself and your kids and leave. Then see what happens. If nothing changes, you know what you need to do.
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Oh, no.... you have already lost a lot of ground in your home, and either you have to make it up NOW, or never will! My FIL is like yours and I would never take him in, because he would do exactly as yours has... Your husband is on the other side, so your children need to become the priority here; maybe your husband would even GET that if you put it that way to him? Anyway, unless you are afraid of your FIL, you need to take back your territory; you could wait till he is out and take his things to his house, bring the kid's toys back and move out of the bedroom, keep the remote with you and watch what you want - ask him now and then when you don't need it, but keep it with you, get the idea? Ignore his complaints and go about your day as you used to; when your husband complains, tell him you will get a job or something while HE watches his father, or that you need a caregiver for him to be the "step and fetch it" you are being. You are going to HAVE to do confrontation here if they insist, or you will continue in the prison you, AND your kids, live in. Go for it, sweetie!
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Everyone has given good answers.
You now know its up to you to stomp your foot. You are not the floosie the FIL thinks he has rights to
I read that he has a woman. .. call her and say come get him he has overstayed his welcome.
this FIL sounds like a true ****x**** and i a way by being the obedient wife and DIL you are allowing it to continue
AT YOUR CHILDRENS DEMISE
All I can add, is that one day I had an almighty fight with my [now EX] partner and I took off my wedding ring and told him Id ripped up the marriage certificate. As there was no comment on that that I was to be the slave and *** and **** and *****...
Yes it was the turning point but it was the only way to stop the arrogance and abuse that was thought he had the right to
There is nothing like the saying. "Its your circus and your monkey" I'm guessing the FIL smoked, and even if he didn't. as others have stated, they managed their cancers. So that's his circus and how he looks after himself is now his monkey, the show is over at your home.
Get that temper raised. and use it. Tell, don't discuss with your husband that HIS father is treating you like **** and it's affecting the children. that is HIS child.
and as suggested, if he has so many concerns for a grown man. HE can go live with his father. They can move this weekend, and you will be out of the house from 10am to 2pm and you want them gone by the time you get back.
I am so incensed about this situation even getting this far, so stand up for your kids and fight back.
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I must agree with most, help is needed for the time of his treatments. either you can make an agreement for him to stay at your home only until his treatments are completed. he must live by certain rules as everyone else in the house does. he should have a plan in place as to when he leaves and goes home he is covered with additional help which is very easy to find now a days. if he is a vet they will help with all care needed. if he needs Medicaid help him apply. there is something that is called community care where the neighborhood helps seniors in need. check that out also.
if he is on medicare he can go thru medicare with his doctors help to get coverage once he gets home. if you allow this to continue your marriage is doomed. its hard enough to work thru a marriage with two people never mind three...
do your homework before you speak with your husband as to how it needs to be. this way he cant come up with excuses because you will be prepared with the answers.
you need to be strong and firm but understanding with your hubby as it is his father.
but at the same time he needs to know the wife and children come first.....and formost.. good luck and stay strong......
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CarlaCB is absolutely RIGHT!!! I’m upset and this is not happening to me! I’m praying you heed these words and save yourself and your sanity! Nobody is worth this kind of abuse!
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Without a doubt, the BEST idea was the one where Son goes to live with Father. It is a perfect idea. Son can make visits to "home" to be with you and kids, but for now, the son LIVES with the FATHER. The GREAT news is that father HAS a home, otherwise, this would be a more difficult problem to solve. When your son cannot BE there, Father can hire caregivers to come in - and Wheels on Meals -- etc.
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