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Mom lives with myself and my husband. She loses money that she gets out of the bank by other family members taking her to the bank. This happens every week. Most of the time we don't even know she has the money, much less how much. When she can't find the money she accuses us of stealing the money and gets very angry. The same thing happens with her losing her debit card. She does not want us to keep these items for her. She keeps saying she can handle it. Should we continue to let her keep the money and card in her possession or should we keep them for her? It is nerve wreaking when she loses it and the house is turned upside down.

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I’ve learned that dementia patients can’t make sound decisions so you have to do that for them. You should handle her money.
I had to do this with several things with my mom and she got very angry, but eventually after time she just let go.

A little humor for you...my aunt told me a story about when my grandmother with alzheimers lived with her. My grandmother would say ‘Have you seen that woman that comes through the house? (Which was my aunt) ‘Well she’s been taking my things!’ My aunt whispered back to her “Well, when she goes to sleep, you and I will take all of it back!” It made my grandmother giggle and say “ok!”
I hope something good happens to you tomorrow.
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Deirdrem Mar 2021
GardenHoneyBee Loved your response to your grandmother! Priceless!
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A little story..

As a bank employee many decades ago, I remember a bag of stinking damp bank notes brought in to be counted. It had been found in a deceasd elder's house (stuffed in a hole in a wall, in a tin). More under the bed, hidden in the bed, lots of places.

Unfortunately most of the notes were too soiled to be legal (needing two serial numbers). These were paper notes, unlike the plastic we now have. Only a few hundred dollars were salvaged from the thousands.

Was it being saved for the rainy day that never came? Being hid from robbers? Hidden by someone with dementia? Never knew.

I would go on a little treasure hunt with Mom in the house.... the 'faeries' may have been hiding it & you may get lucky & find it back!

I'd be stopping the helpful family bank escorts instantly. They may be helpful, but just maybe could be the 'faeries' on to a good thing 🤔

Pocket money only for Mom now, no ATM cards. Hard but necessary.
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jacobsonbob Mar 2021
Because you are not in the US (because the US still uses paper banknotes), I'll mention this mainly for the benefit of those in the US and in other countries (still) issuing paper banknotes.

If you have damaged paper currency, don't assume it is "worthless". The Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) has a "Mutilated Currency Division" in which it will receive this currency, and investigate as to whether the individual notes can be replaced. Apparently, their "detective work" is very proficient in identifying money that has suffered a wide range of calamities, such as fire, decay, etc. and can often identify and then replace money believed to be damaged beyond the point of no return. In general, the staff there either need to see at least half of the note or, if less than half, then be satisfied that the remainder of the note has been destroyed. In addition, paper money that has been contaminated with dangerous substances can also be packaged and sent for replacement. The BEP website (www.bep.gov or www.moneyfactory.gov) provides further information. Disturb the currency as little as possible before sending it (that is, don't try to force the notes apart if many are tightly stuck together--let the professionals do it).

Notes that clearly have more than half of the original (or if in pieces, the pieces together make up more than half), and on which the printing is clearly recognizable, can be replaced at a bank and don't need to be sent to the BEP.
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I know I am exhausted being the “bad guy.” But sometimes it’s necessary to put an end to others taking her to the bank and allowing her to keep cash in the house. As my mother’s POA, when I finally got to delve into what was happening with her accounts, I found a mess. I stopped everyone from taking her anywhere. She also was withdrawing cash from the ATM and doing God knows what with the money. I had suspicions that some of the people that were “helping” her were also being given cash.

I had a conversation with the bank manager about options. Some were to open another account with only a small amount of money in it. I also had the option of limiting the amount of cash that could be withdrawn on a debit card. I had to take away her checkbook and debit card after I placed her in an AL.

I actually didn’t have to deal with setting up a different account because she declined so quickly. One of the things I was worried about however, was having those larger cash withdrawals scrutinized by Medicaid in the future. She was taking out 500 or so sometimes and that money was never accounted for. So I want to insure that everything is transparent and paid for with a check and a corresponding bill or receipt. So I actually never have withdrawn cash from my mother’s account with a debit card.

When she had good moments there were many arguments and accusations. But I had to be firm and stand my ground. If she is in your house you may set the rule to be “we don’t allow cash in our house because we don’t want to tempt thieves” or something along those lines. Good luck!
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Omg this was my mother last year and until I found her money (where she hid it in her room every night ) it was a living hell. Then she felt bad accusing me and cried this went on for 3 weeks until I finally took her money away and told her she doesn’t need it I will pay for everything. Just so you know the problem is not over it will just be something else a shirt, nail clipper, brush. They usually hid things in draws and it’s usually the same place. Everyone around her has to be on the same page or their will be fighting. Best of Luck this is moderate dementia.
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Nazdrovia Mar 2021
My brother is POA, which suits me fine. My father has his pension going into one account which he is allowed to use, the others are savings accounts. Now he wants to donate money out of the other accounts by sending cheques. I want to take his cheque books and hide them as my brother is trying to keep his accounts organised. He doesn't need more than one account as we pay for shopping, bills etc. He wants to pay his way but I see it as a type of manipulation to give him a green light to behave how he pleases.
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Ask family members to stop taking her to the bank. Tell them it causes many problems when she can't remember where she puts it. It means accusations and tearing your house apart.

It maybe time to place Mom in an AL if she has the money. Then you can request that she not be taken out of the facility without your permission. I was asked for a list of people that could take Mom out. She will need no money in an AL.
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What does she do with the cash she gets from the bank, besides hide it? Does she use it for misc expenses? Or does she just want to have some in her wallet?
Could you possible "trick" her with fake money? If she's not spending her real money maybe you could just keep her happy with the fake stuff you can buy at novelty stores.
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Catherine1109 Mar 2021
Mom given credit card sm amount of cash...CC can be replaced charges questioned...let her have something makes them feel normal

Alas we had many great pocketbook hunts 😆 Tile App and fanny pack your new best friend
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You say she has dementia, and I am assuming that is "diagnosed" dementia.
Who is her POA? Who has control of the "accounts".
She should have only a small personal account if "other family members" are taking her to the bank. Clearly she is no longer competent to handle her finances. A debit card for such a senior is VERY VERY dangerous in that credit card expenses can be dealt with on a monthly basis, but debit will likely NOT be forgiven.
Whomever has POA should take over all finances, and should keep meticulous records of all cash in and all cash out on a monthly basis, records that would hold up in court. Good luck. Wishing you the best.
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SkyPrincess Feb 2021
Yes, she has been diagnosed with dementia. I am her POA and in charge of all of her accounts. She made me POA years ago long before she got sick. I have been handling all of her bills and all finances for years. This money coming into the house will need to stop. I will have the other family members to stop with the bank runs. She is going to hate this, but I feel it is the right thing to do. Thank you for your answer.
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They may get to the point where they don't know the value of money. They could be scammed easily. And she will most likely keep losing the card and of course there is always the possibility of someone finding the card and using it. So, if it were me, I wouldn't let her keep it. Also keep track of who is calling, people could scam her over the phone.
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We gave my Mom a small Bank account that she could write checks on. I took care of everything else out of a different account. I think I had a few hundred in it and then monitored it. I told everyone else about it and to inform me if they were having her write a check so I could make sure it didn't bounce.
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Dear SkyPrincess,
I am a patient who was diagnosed with Early Onset ALZ just about 5 yrs ago. I watched my Stepfather and Maternal Uncle who was Priest die from ALZ. These 2 men are two of the three most influential men in my life. The third was my FIL. I have experienced three people in my family Stepfather and maternal uncle, doing the stash the cash game. We are now just discovering my DMIL and DFIL also liked to stash cash, as did my MaternalGM. ALL six of these people lived through the Depression of 29. All six did not have complete confidence in our financial system. My MaternalGM had 30,000.00 stashed in her house. My stepfather and uncle both had several thousand stashed away which we discovered when we were cleaning up their belongings after they died. Since my MIL died during the Christmas Season, we've only begun to find stashes of money they had, and my DW and BIL are the ones responsible for their estates. The only way to stop it is by denying them access to cash, which would be difficult unless you had POA's.
My recommendation to our fellow readers is to go forward engage and Elderlaw Attorney to set up a TRUST, DPOA's, and Medical Directives. The TRUST allows your beneficiaries to receive what you want to give them in terms of money and will not be subject to Probate. We are finding out in VA Probate is going to be about a 2 yr affair, and will take 1.5% of the Estates. I say why feed the Govt when you've been feeding it your whole life and in most cases you've paid taxes on the money you've earned. Good luck to all.
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sunshinelife Mar 2021
Great insights. My Grandpa was born just around the Great Depression also. I have explained a few times that having good credit is more important that a lot of cash in bank (& wherever else stashed) and bad credit. That he might need his credit rating for assisted living or whatever needs he might have in the future. His fear of the great depression reoccurring is way more powerful than reason. I explained that many economic measures have been put in place to stop the crash market ever crashing like that again. I do my best to accept him just as he is. We all have some crazy in us. My only wish for him is that he would spend some of his hard earned and carefully saved money with a better quality of life. Maybe go on a cruise or a bus trip & see other places where he's never been. I give him plenty of teas of rosemary, sage and nettle tea. Sweetened with plenty of honey. He says no to everything & anything new initially. ..every and anything new lol! :) Then he gets to really like it & asks for it constantly. Same applies with the tea. Really helps his mental state a Lot. Google "medical studies on the efficacy of rosemary herb for dementia" Do the same for sage. Studies have proved it really helps. He gradually got off all the drugs the system had him on. Big improvement.
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