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Im sorry but feel like I really need to say something I guess maybe I shouldnt be on here anymore starting to feel certain ways but I want all to know I really appreciate all feedback and to those of you that have been kind to me you will never know how much i appreciate that,I need and have to say to Pamstegman yes yes yes I know how burned out I am as you put it beyond but say to you isnt there any other way you can say things that would be somewhat kind not that I want pity or anyone to feel sorry for me thats not it but even after you comment its never followed by something nice ,my situtation goes even further then caregiving so honestly you do not or could even imagine why that little remark would bother me so much. I have seen things before by you that I would think to myself not so nice and it is not the fact that you are saying burned out. Thats all have to say to you ,but for others who are reading this I was close and made my life my mother and grandmother and I feel like Im going thru grieving in my own way my mom is last to go I ahve lost all my family members and I know mom being sick isnt her fault but I do not know if this feeling is normal or not but I think I scream cuz I have so much anger because I feel like she should not be sick or this way and me I have protected her so long I know I cannot do nothing to stop whats happening and also I do n ot feel proud or nothing of myself for taking care of her. So all this being said I wanted some of you to understand me but noe for tythe first time on here I feel totally stupid AND AGAIN PAM are you ever kind . to ones who were kind to me thank you so much sandy22

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I bet if the field had been knee-deep in snow the Bills would have won, no contest.
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Oh, Jessie got it right. I'm from Buffalo. None of us has been right in the head since the Bills lost the Super Bowl for the fifth time.
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We are all burnt.We are all sensitive to the comments of others whether we admit it or not and we all deal with our daily stress in different ways.So let's all remember that and not get testy toward one another.We are all we have obviously or we wouldn't be here in a virtual world without the mask of "superhuman" the real world expects to see.
Let's forget it now.Move on.
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"Apocalyptic Goat"... oh my... :-)

I have absolutely nothing to offer here. I guess I'm just so burnt out myself that this gossipy and silly thread is more my speed in my current sarcastic and bitter frame of mind than some others right now... And no offense, sandy22, its not silly when you are in real pain and hurting, but there are lots of places on this site to get support and you chose to post This Thing...

Pamstegman, I think you give awesome input and advice. And your jokes have made me snort with laughter more than once. That is a huge gift for me, so thanks.
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This is a strange thread indeed. Someone did a 2-3 threads complaining about Pam a couple of months ago, didn't they? Is this the same person? I checked the thread referred to and didn't see anything wrong with what Pam did. She is from Buffalo. That means she can say the same thing as I do in a lot less words. It bothers me that someone should start a thread with an attack toward someone who had done nothing wrong. And it really bugs me that the Apocalyptic Goat says someone she's never met is an alcoholic. Really, I think the goat keeps her beard ducked in the suds. Baaaaaa.
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sandy22, continue feeling the way you do and grieve the way you need to do. We all have been in similar situations, but none of us has walked in the shoes of each individual here on this site. Feeling burned out does not take away the kindness and compassion you have within you and it does not have to make you feel stupid. You face reality, that takes intelligence. I hope you stay on this site, your input helps more than you think.
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OK but just one. I did go to an AA meeting to see my BIL get his ten year medal. I told the speaker " I'm not an alcoholic, but I have driven a few men to drink". LOL.
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ShakingDustOff - I'm going to say this once and only once:
What you just did was absolutely wrong and unacceptable - period. I don't care what you say to justify it, that was just flat out wrong.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: This is the internet, people. You will not like what everyone here says, nor will everyone here like what you say. We are a huge melting pot of personalities, many of us dealing with a LOT of stress on a daily basis. We come here to vent, scream, cry, talk, laugh and get advice. With a large group of disparate personalities comes an almost certainty that there will be conflict. Some people don't sugarcoat things - they say it like it is. If you don't like someone's comments, you may certainly disagree with them, and you're welcome to POLITELY say so - but I don't see any reason to make a thread for the sole purpose of bashing them.

Sandy, I hope you are able to find some peace. All of us are fighting a hard battle here - there is no need to fight amongst ourselves. We have enough to deal with on a daily basis without this.
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sorry, hit submit....but to continue.... I need the Pam's of this site, the ones that do not dress it up, just tell it like it is..... many do not read me either.... that's the choice we have here....And sometimes we do not cater to, or enable things that our own life experiences have taught us needs to be addressed directly....

I am a recovering alcoholic/addict with 30 years clean..... reading about someone drinking or suggesting drinking does not affect me one way or the other.... if they feel they have a problem, then we try to be supportive and encourage them to get help.... if not, then it's just 'conversation'.......good grief... we have such serious issues in our lives and need each other.... and hopefully we can be present for others..... but my experience here for many years, has taught me that these kinds of conversations are needed also..... to clear the air, to let some of us make a stand for others we like and believe in.... but it is NEVER ok to attack someone publicly....Sandy, hope you come back and find the help you need.... there are many 'voices' here.... and Pam is one of many...

Pam, if I could drink, you would be one of the few I would have a drink WITH....!!!!
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I sent this to Pam in a hug, but I decided to post it publicly as well. If you too appreciate this wonderful woman's advise, then "like it" to show her some support. Thanks, Boni

You amaze me. What a great response. I SO wish we were on my back porch with Bob and a few others, having a nice cold beer! LOL. You are not here for hand holding and emotional support, like some of us. You have SO much more to offer! You have every right to save your emotions for where they are truly needed, at home. God Bless you for all you do for the people here that need straight answers! You are very appreciated.
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Wow, been awhile since I have seen this kind of dissention among us...one of the reasons , and I say one, that I love this site, is we get to hear different people expressing their support in different ways..... I don't read 'Dusty' so have no comment on that.... but I do know this site has been here for thousands and thousands of caregivers for many years.....
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Thank you Jeanne! "Dusty" is one of the RARE rude offenders on this site and I have called her out on it both publicly and privately.
Pam's answers are always spot on, precise, to the point, and she has been a Godsend to many MANY people here. She might not cover her answers with glitter and confetti, but she is NEVER rude.
Her chit chat with Capt Bob has shown me that she has a sarcastic humor (like me) and I appreciate her "dead pan" responses.
Like Jeanne said DUSTY....if you don't like it here.GO AWAY!
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Troll or no troll, I want to apologize for upsetting Sandy22. If she wants to focus her anger on me, that's OK. I would rather she wanted to kill me than kill herself. Anger is part of the grieving process, so is despair and hopefully, finally, acceptance of what is, with courage to move forward.
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shakingdustoff says i mean no disrespect to pam but from her comments here I can tell she is an alcoholic and no one should pay any attention to her

OH, PUL-LEEZE. Who appointed you judge and jury? Pam's style is straight-forward and somewhat abrupt. That may put some people off. If you know she (or anyone else) irritates you, don't read her. Don't think you are entitled to psychoanalyze her and make your guesses public.

shakingdustoff, I sympathize with Sandy also. That doesn't inspire me to tear other people down. You think honesty and sensitivity are rare. You think this site is for suckers (from another of your posts). Why on earth do you persist in posting? Why keep reading comments of others when you have so little respect for us? Why not just find another site more to your liking?
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I'm about to explode on this judgmental, nasty B****! How DARE you???????? I need to go move and feed Mom, but I will be back soon with a BIG piece of my mind! THIS T*** is a troll whom we know under another name. Somebody please tell her off until I get back to my pc. Mom has to come first.
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Sandy, you should be on here as long as you want to be on here, and as long as it helps you. If the style of certain people bothers you, perhaps you would feel better just skipping those responses. There are very few people on here who are really unkind, but we all have different styles and ways of presenting our kindly-meant advice.

I know you have posted quite a bit, but I have a hard time keeping track of different stories when I can't go back to a profile to refresh my memory. What country are you in? Is your mother on Hospice care? I don't know about where you are, but here Hospice offers some respite time, where they take over and you can have a few days to yourself, to recharge your batteries. If anything like that is available to you, please take advantage of it. You have been doing this for a looooong time and you deserve a break!

You say you don't feel proud for taking care of your mother? Why on earth not? What you have done is wonderful and you deserve to feel proud. (And it doesn't have to be perfect to be a source of pride!)

Life is not fair! Your mother should not be sick or have dementia! You've tried so hard to protect her and keep her safe, and here she is, dying anyway and you can't do anything to stop it. Of course you are angry! I think anger is appropriate. Try not to direct your anger at your mother or an people who are trying to help.

There is nothing you can do to stop the disease processes. But there is a lot you can do to comfort your mother, make her feel loved, help her feel valued. If your anger is so overwhelming you can't do those things, then first take a break and then see a counselor who can help you deal with the anger.

I think you are very insightful when you say you are grieving. When a loved one has dementia you lose that person bit by bit, memory by memory, and mourning those losses makes sense. Be kind to yourself in your grief. If possible, share your grief with a close friend or other family member.

You are not stupid, Sandy. That is obvious. And you are kind and caring. And you are in mourning -- be gentle with yourself. I hope you can arrange a break to recharge your batteries.
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My heart aches for you. I am praying for you.
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