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Picking & scratching at the skin is a sign of dementia. I find it hard to believe there’s anything to stop that. I just have to consistently tell my mother “ stop picking”!
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Would hospice do it for you? She sounds like a candidate if you aren't already enrolled. Maybe she could also use some type of gloves or arm protection so she isn't hurting herself. Otherwise, go once a day and do it yourself - I know it's supposed to be twice, but once is better than none.
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worriedinCali Jun 2019
Hospice wouldn’t administer it as often as the OP wants. They won’t come multiple times a day just to administer CBD oil.
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Whether because of company policy or law (simply being legal doesn't mean Med Techs are permitted to administer it), you'll have to accept that they cannot do it.

I think your best bet will be to persist with the corporate office for an exception if one is possible. Or, as others have suggested, enroll your Mom in hospice. That is often different staff.
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Johnny13 Jun 2019
I dont think Hospice staff will administer meds, they normally leave it to the AL staff
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The staff must follow the protocol given.
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give it to her yourself.....screw them nurses/Doctors. It's not like they are going to give it to you nor her for that matter. Do what's best for your mom...it's organic and it's not harmful nor dangerous and it's also non narcotic.. so what's the deal?
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gemswinner12 Sep 2019
Agreed! I gave my mom tylenol and ibuprofen when I visited; I matter-of-factly told the caregivers what I was doing and then just did it; no one ever said boo. They would just make sure she wasn't over dosed by writing down that "daughter gave dose". in the med record. No biggie.
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Nurses only give meds by medical orders only. You can have her doctor add it to your mother medication regimen. Or you can give it your self. I once had this issue as an Rn and refused unless I had the order written by MD. Mother got it done, I must also add that it has worked wonders for a brain damaged client with seizures. Progress in everything improved drastically over time including the sezures which were contantly going on in her brain as I have seen the spikes on the EEG and the reports.
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I am adding that at one time it was not legal in certain states.
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If it’s legal in your state and her doctor prescribes it, how could it be refused?

As you approach this with the facility officials, try not to get mired down in your opinions (same as mine) and stick strictly to absolute fact.

”This is a new prescription for Mom, provided by her personal physician”.

Are YOU allowed to purchase the PRESCRIPTION meds that Mom takes on a regular basis? (we are not, in my state). If so, buy the product WITH her prescription at a pharmacy (not OTC) , and bring it in a bag stapled shut at the pharmacy with the paper script stapled to the bag.

A huge PITN for you, I know, but the choice is having it or NOT having it, so well worth the extra aggravation if you chose to take it on.

May not be covered as a pharmaceutical treatment BUT, once you are able to demonstrate its VALUE TO HER, you may be able to skirt the rules a bit.

Remember, keep any discourse with the facility factual, cut-and-dried, and MATTER OF FACT.

Please post again with your results using this approach.

Updating. Shaner after reading all of the posts I realize the wall you are up against. I think I might STILL try as I’ve described above, having the seller staple the bag shut with the physician’s recommendation.

Hoping you are are able to provide your mother with something that will ease her suffering SOON.
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worriedinCali Jul 2019
The OP has already stated that the doctor won’t prescribe CBD.
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My understanding is that the Federal government does not allow it at this point. Nursing homes usually have State and Federal funding. So, they are not legally allowed to administer CBD. It is a shame because dementia patients have good results with it without the zombie look.
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Ask your doctor to prescribe Marinol it is a synthetic CBD.
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DesertCatlady Jul 2019
do you mean synthetic THC? cbds are plant extracts that do not get you high, from hemp plents.
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I just wanted to mention this...if your mom is taking any codeine products, it may be that the itching is a side effect. If I take 5 mg, no problem. If I take the next pill "too soon", I am insane with itching. Check her drugs to see if itching is a side effect. I have found CBDs to be totally without useful effect for me and I am also allergic to those plant products, and I hate being loaded in any way. If I end up with any THC in my system at all, I have to have medical intervention for the anxiety is produces. All CBD products are NOT THE SAME. The dosage is difficult to get correct. And you may be able to find a CBD that you can put on her skin like an ointment rather than edible or oral route, and it would be just like you putting hand lotion on her dry skin on her arm, who would know? I agree that you should have the right to try it. But legally, you would be in serious trouble if you got caught. I cannot even give my mother an antacid, melatonin, NOTHING, on my own or I will be barred from visitation from the NH. So...dont be like me. Be smart, make sure you are knowledgeable about the product, the dosage, monitor symptoms, give the smallest dose, try to apply topically to small area first, remember smaller dose is sometimes MUCH more effective than larger dose...but most importantly, try to solve a problem before you treat a symptom. See what drugs she is on that could be making her itch. Oten a lower dose or a different brand of pain medicine can be effective at this...and other drugs can cause itching like this too. Good luck!
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Daisy9 Jul 2019
I'm with you; I did a lot of things on the sly for my mother in the NH years. But I've also worked in NHs. Lotion will not be applied twice daily. Most residents are lucky if lotion is applied after their bath or shower, which is once every three days. NHs are notoriously understaffed and most technicians don't have time to do more than what is absolute necessary, even if is is a good NH and the technicians care about their residents.
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There is a lawyer outfit called Legal Shield. You pay them a small monthly bill, so you don't have to pay out at any time. I do believe, you can stop it at anytime. You might try Legal Aid. If they can't help, I'm sure they will send you in the right direction.
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Do you visit often enough to give it to her yourself? That's what I would do; you don't have to make a big production out of it. When I visited my Mom, I would give her ibuprofen and tylenol when the caregivers were too busy to administer it. She needed it for various aches and pains, and readily took it liquid form with a dropper ; no single care giver ever said one word, I matter-of factly said I was going to give it , and then just did it. I was the POA and Medical POA. The facility was a private home-setting, with only eight residents and two caregivers during the day, and one caregiver at night.
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Wont it be great when this nonsense all comes to a stop and folks with these terrible diseases can be treated with a natural healing flower. It is ridiculous and quite obvious that big pharma is doing everything possible to keep a proven natural cure out of the hands of those that need it most while we pour thousands of dollars into synthetic drugs that make our elderly zombies. Alzheimers is one of the 21 approved conditions here in Ohio that folks can get a medical prescription for cannabis yet less than 2 percent are actually signed up to receive the proven game changer. I know its a matter of time, I just hope folks that are reading these blogs get educated and start speaking up as its time we stop treating a natural healer in the same way we do opiates that have killed thousands.
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