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xshadyx Asked December 2019

I live with my 90-year old mother and work full time. My sister, who does't live with us - thinks that it is ok to take my personal things.

My sister removes my personal property from the house. She hides mine and my mother's belongings and blames me. I just found out that my mom has known about some of the stealing and hiding things but never told me. I'm devastated.


She, my sister, accuses me of stealing and has convinced my entire family that I am a thief. I do not pay rent - however, I do pay ALL the household expenses except property taxes and homeowners insurance. We split the grocery bill.


I live with my mom - my sister comes by once or twice a week. Takes her to get her hair done and then to physical therapy (she's supposed to go 3 times a week but my sister, who doesn't work can't fit it in her schedule).


My sister has my mom's will, trust, POAs, etc at her house and will not let my mom have them or copies of them.


I'm losing my patience and am begining to think I need to move out - but the loyal daughter in me won't leave my mom alone in the house.


I don't know what to do.

anonymous912123 Dec 2019
To me, the solution is very clear, give them a 30 day notice and move out. If your mother cannot be alone, then she can hire a caretaker or your sister can care for her. There are many resources available today, you do not need to live with her.

Getting free rent (or greatly reduced) is not worth the price you are paying from an emotional standpoint. Forge ahead with your own life, start planning for your retirement, believe me they will not care for you when the time comes.

Good Luck!
FloridaDD Dec 2019
Agreed.   Unless OP has seen the will, I would not expect to get the house on the mom's death.  Even if mom in good health, she is not going to live forever.   OP, are  you saving money for a place of your own?  Can you go on a wait list for senior housing?
cwillie Dec 2019
Something in your post that rings alarm bells with me is that you are paying all the household bills in lieu of rent, I do hope you are doing that in a way that can be proved because family disputes over money can get pretty ugly. Also - if your mom needs your support you should have a formal caregiving agreement drawn up by an attorney detailing your contributions and compensation, this will also be invaluable as your mother's health fails.
FloridaDD Dec 2019
Op says she pays all household expenses EXCEPT property taxes and insurance.   I would imagine she means she pays utilities and repairs.   for me, my property taxes and insurance are greater than utilities.  It seems to me that the OP is getting a financial benefit from living there (I am guessing there is no mortgage, so in effect OP is benefiting from her mom owning the house).  I can see that this is causing the other sister to think that OP is taking advantage of her mom.   If OP works full time, she should think about moving out.

I can see the frustration/conflict here.  OP may think that if her mom wants to live in the house, it will not cost much more for her to live there.  Sister may think OP should pay a fair rent amount. OP thinks she is there full time, but she works full time, so her Sister has to do all driving.  

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XenaJada Dec 2019
Something is clearly rotten in Denmark if sister won't allow mom or family members to have copies of will, trust and POAs.
FloridaDD Dec 2019
No one is entitled to see the will.  Not certain how POA is relevant, it does not seem medical decisions are at issue, and not certain who is making financial decisions.
Shell38314 Dec 2019
I live with my mother and take care of her; however, I would not have stayed had I not been my mother's financial and medical POA. Furthermore, when my brother started stealing from me; I change the locks. Had my mother told me "no, that I couldn't change the locks," I would have moved out!

There is very little things in life that we can control and especially if we are dealing with a LO having an illness, but we should have some control in the place where we call home. If someone is causing trouble, pain, and problems then they need to leave.

If you going to steal and lie about me then you don't need to come in my house and I don't care who's name is on the deed.


xshapyx, you deserve to have peace and feel safe in your own home. No matter who's name is on the deed!


Lots of Hugs!!!
xshadyx Dec 2019
My mom and I have been discussing taking a week next year to take a road trip - something we haven't done since my dad died. She's worried about my sister coming in and removing things - mine or my moms. Last night I told her I had an easy solution to that. I could spend a bundle and get an alarm system put on the house - and not give my sister the code OR I could just put a deadlock (or 2) on the front door and not let her have a key. Disconnect the garage door opener and put up what I have left of my security cameras. If my mom is not home, my sister has no business being there. Simple as that.

At some point I need to make the hardest decision of my life - my physical and mental health or the needs of my mother who is 90.

No one can guarantee how long they'll live but right now if I had to answer that question - I give my life for my moms. A couple more months/years like these past few and I may just change my mind.

Yes, I do go back'n'forth about moving out or staying - I'm conflicted so I waffle.
Alicew234 Dec 2019
If your mom is still mentally competent, the lawyer who drew up the wills and other important papers will help her get copies of them. If he or she cannot do that, new paperwork can be generated.

But it sort of sounds like your mom (if she is still competent) is okay with your sister telling her she can't have copies of her own paperwork. It's also possible that "she won't let me" is easier to say to you than "I don't want you to have access to them."

I think your position is precarious. If I were you, I would see about separating my living arrangement. It would be safer for you. Then you, your mom and your sister can work out her living arrangements in a way that is satisfactory to you all.

If you are willing to provide overnight companion care to an elderly person living alone, there are families would be interested in providing you with room, board and a wage. Don't dismiss the value of your presence in your mom's house as she and your sister seem to be doing.

Countrymouse Dec 2019
Shady, don't be offended, but if I worked full time (so I was out a lot) and things happened like my belongings going missing and my security cameras ended up in the freezer, and my mother lived in the same home and my sister didn't, and my mother was ninety with quite a long list of health difficulties...

... I don't think I'd assume that my sister was the culprit. What sort of item has disappeared? Have any of the hidden objects, yours or your mother's, mysteriously turned up again?

It strikes me, the outsider, that you and your sister are suspecting each other of evil deeds when the more likely explanation is innocent confusion on your mother's part leading to breakdowns in communication.

And of course if that were the case, and you were to demand to know from your sister what she thought she was playing at, your sister would think you were either paranoid or trying to foster ill feeling.

And it seems that this has already cut both ways, and your sister suspects YOU of misappropriations. Would you be surprised if your mother had told your sister that money had gone missing from her purse? - and your sister thinks it's you?

DO say a word about the grocery bill! It wants paying, and you're owed that money. But then while you're at it, see if you can get all of this thrashed out with your sister. With care and luck it could be a huge relief to both of you.
xshadyx Dec 2019
I appreciate your response. However, I know it's my sister who is hiding and taking things (or my aunts who come into the house with my sister when my mom and I are not home) and not my mom because the stuff that is missing are on different floors of the house - my mom NEVER goes up or down stairs - or they are out of her reach - she can't get on a ladder to get them.

I know that in some way my mom is responsible for the mess this situation has turned into - but it's definitely not dementia or anything like that - it's more her refusal to piss my sister off. What can I say? Had the roles been reversed I would have handled the situation a hellulva lot differently and nipped it in the bud BEFORE it became a war instead of just a battle here and there.

As for speaking to my sister - it's impossible. It always ends up with her screaming in my face and never accomplishes anything. My sister has control issues and is never wrong - also she's been telling these lies about me to people so long I truly think she believes them to be truth.

One foot in front of the other, one day at a time - that's my motto now.
HanaLee Dec 2019
You should talk to your mother's attorney and get copies of the will, trust, etc. The attorneys always have copies in their possession. Your sister sounds like a terrible person. I would not move out and leave your mother stranded, God knows what your sister will do next. Best you stay with her and get custody of the legal documents so your sister cannot pull some BS move and try to take control of your mother's assets. If your sister is stealing from the home, can you imagine what she will do with the will and POA. Take control NOW before it is too late.
FloridaDD Dec 2019
The attorney will say OP has no right to see the will.   OP may be able to institute a suit and get copy of POA and question it.  OP maybe be able to question POA, and/or be named guardian, but not easy. 

OP should lock up her stuff, and inventory moms stuff
Grandma1954 Dec 2019
If she is actually stealing..report the theft to the police.
The next thing I would do is...
Make plans to move. Your sister is POA correct?. She is the one that will have to figure out who will care for mom. Let her assume the role of caregiver for a while.
If your mom is unable to live alone then sister will have to move in. The other option would be selling the house and moving mom to Assisted Living.
You will have to do this eventually at 90 your mom will not live forever and you will have to move out at that time anyway. (depending on who the house is left to..and would you or your sister be able to maintain it yourself or would you want to ?)
xshadyx Dec 2019
House has a reverse mortgage - neither one of us will get it. If my mom were to move into assisted living I would have 1 year to vacate the premises.
lealonnie1 Dec 2019
Sounds like it's time for a heart-to-heart talk with your sister to see what, exactly, she has on her mind and what she would like to see you do in terms of:

1: Living with mother
2: Paying rent vs. paying a few bills

If both mother & sister are in on this scheme, then have a family meeting to determine what they BOTH want here! Lay it all out on the table. If mom doesn't need your help, then move out. Let them both know you're wise to what they're doing with your personal property, etc, and the hiding/blaming you. Again, once they know that YOU know the jig is up, maybe THEN you can all talk like grown adults.

Good luck!
xshadyx Dec 2019
lealonnie1 - oh, how I would love to have a heart-to-heart with my sister and mother both in the same room. Unfortunately, every time the subject is brought up my sister refuses. We've had 2 therapists tell us we need family counseling - my mom and I agree, my sister abstains. When we are all in the same room - it usually ends up in a shouting match - twice it has ended with her physically assaulting me - out of eyesight of my mother so that she can deny it happened.

As for your first point - my sister has NEVER wanted me to move back in with my mother after my father died. But my mother didn't like living alone and as I was spending more time at her house than my own, I let go of my own and moved in with her.

Point 2 - payng rent along with my reported income would double-hit my mom's allowed household income and put her over the threshhold allowed for her Sr Property Tax Freeze. Doing that would triple her property taxes making them almost too high to afford. And with the bills I pay (gas, electric, cable, internet, phone (landline and mobile), water, garbage and sewer) the total is higher than it would be to rent a couple rooms with kitchen priveledges.

There is no scheme - my mom just has difficulty standing up to my sister because before my dad died my sister only paid attention to them when she needed something, a babysiter, use of their van, whatever. Now my mom is thrilled that my sister is showing interest and is afraid she will lose that. Which she will because my sister already told her if she 'sides with' me she will never show up again.

This is BS! There shouldn't be sides - it should be the two of us there for my mom.
Jada824 Dec 2019
People are stating here that no one gets to see mom’s will, etc. Well why then does sister have all of the important papers such as will, trust & POA. They should be in mom’s possession not hers.

Something fishy is going on here and when someone tries to hide something they’re usually up to no good.

If you’re living with & caring for mom you should be financial & medical POA. If not, step aside & let sis do it.

Document everything so you have a paper trail of what you do & what you pay for.
worriedinCali Dec 2019
Those people apparently don’t take into consideration the fact that you can show anyone your will and give them a copy of the original or even the original. You can give them your trust paperwork too. “No one gets to see it until you die” is only if that’s how YOU want it to be.

my parents gave me a copy of their living trust. It includes their living wills and durable POAs. I’ve read it. I’ve discussed all of it with my mother.
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