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shannonwingo Asked April 2010

My 75-year-old mother lives with us and is convinced that we are trying to kill her and steal her stuff. The doctor said this is normal in the aging process. Is this normal?

AlzCaregiver Apr 2010
Look up Frontal Lobe Dementia on google. Think there are also some short programs on YouTube, showing behavior. This is a dementia, but is noted for severe behavior problems (even like suddenly having a shoplifter, foul mouth swearing, anger outbursts). Think its also called frontal vascular dementia.

lmw124 Apr 2010
This was one of the first warning signs that my mom's boyfriend had dementia. He would accuse others of stealing his things, actually he had misplaced them and were found later. He even went as far as calling the Sheriff about it. The other warning sign was being verbally abuse with mom and his family, a definite change in his behavior toward my mom and his family. There are medications that can control some of this behavior and keep it from progressing further, take her to the doctor (gerontologist) and have her evaluated.

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IsabelCares Apr 2010
No, your Mom's paranoia is not normal, though it happens on occasion. It is a symptom of a problem. I agree with the advice you have been given by others. A gerontologist, or medical social worker can point you in the right direction to get help for your Mom, even if the symptom doesn't entirely disappear. It should be manageable from a medical standpoint by a doctor who understands aging and diseases of the brain, etc. Hope your Mom gets some relief from her anxiety, and you too.

AlzCaregiver Apr 2010
Monitoring sound and video. if you don't have a camera, you could see if your MP3 player has an audio record function. Buy a few cheap ones and keep handy around the house.

When I reported my two sisters' various financial misdeeds to a social worker at Mom's day center, little did I know that the law would swoop in and take over Mom's affairs (including as mentioned freezing her checking and cc accounts...we had NO money for awhile!!! Nothing!), but they didn't even sit down the two perpetrators and say "naughty naughty, girls." They got off scott free, one didn't even have to pay back the thousands she stole/forged/charged. I got left holding the entire bag, the sisters were furious that I snitched on them, etc.

Believe it or not, I hadn't even heard the term "financial elder abuse," nor knew the sorts of things it entailed (ie, using Mom's credit card, lying about collateral for loan, not paying back loan at all, etc.) I would not have let these things happen and would have fought with them out of the reach of the law. It's brought us nothing but tragedy and extreme expense from having the county take over mom's affairs. And it has put me in a slavery position where they deemed me 24/7 caregiver. ANd they mean it. I can't even call a friend to sit with Mom for a half hour while I run to the drug store. (Only they can hire a respite sitter, which they now refuse to do. But they ok'd Mom to go to daycare.)

Did I veer off track? Well, if you don't handle this madwoman's rantings, you could end up there, totally losing control and being enslaved to "the state," who intervenes just enough to stop major trouble, but not enough to be genuinely helpful.

Just like so many parents lose custody of their children from a single domestic disturbance (even false accusations), you could lose custody of your own parent. Also, you should be aware if you can really "control" and manage this situation. Sounds like you are running a private mental ward.

deefer12 Apr 2010
Mom has dementia and constantly accuses me of moving her furniture and possessions. She remembers living in the upstairs apartment and thinks I moved all of her stuff downstairs while she was gone. She's living back 43 years ago in her mind. You definitely need to get another opinion about your mom. Sounds like dementia setting in. Good luck!

igloo572 Apr 2010
In the hr or so since I posted, I called my friend with the
"she's trying to kill me". OMG, she told me that is was not
just a pain but much, much worse. They just didn't want to
tell their friends when it all this happened.

ALzCaregiver - you are so on target!!! State protective services did a full investigation on them. Apparently, the
SS check was deposited in their account. It was "commingled"
so while the investigation was going on, this account was frozen. Their salary was direct deposit into the same account too. NO MONEY!! They had to go into their 401K to pay for day to day expenses. Total nightmare.

What they were told to do (this was a few years ago) was to
every day place a tape recorder in the room to document
ramblings, especially good as you are NOT in the room with him (and could influence it). So yes on the videography.

Also have seperate accounts and checks for everything.
Debit card all parents expenses, so you have a constant record, also by debit card there's no interest. As you will
never be able to "make" a profit by being reinbursed for the interest charges on a credit card. Real receipts with date
and business name - if not done this way take a business
card and staple the card to the reciept for documentation.

And get this, her ex-husband was contacted. The social worker kinda implied that he could ask for full custody of
the kids while the adult case was being reviewed. Now
they get along and all is well post-divorce for them, so that
didn't happen. But can you imagine if that wasn't the case.

AlzCaregiver Apr 2010
As is often suggested in other posts, keep some sort of camera on you at all times. Most cameras these days shoot video, so when she starts her rant, start videoing before you get near her, and pointing the camera in her general direction, set the camera on some surface. This will be very handy to show the doctors, nurses, ambulance drivers...and perhaps the police.

If she wanders off, or bolts off in a panic, she'll be questioned by the police, by the ER staff, etc. And you know what she's going to say. MURDER ME! These films will be invaluable to cut through the BS to get her settled and you out of trouble. Keep a camera transfer cable in your car or your computer case...keep some film samples on a thumbdrive, your laptop harddrive, and even on the camera itself. Load "movies" a private YOUTUBE channel, accessible only by password. That way you can phone in the channel and PW to the person who contacts you by phone.

Be prepared, you don't want investigation by the Dept of Adult Services, which would lead to the county suing for conservatorship of your mother.

Jaye Apr 2010
I would strongly encourage you to take your Mother to someone who specializes in geriatrics. This is not a normal part of aging. She sounds paranoid and perhaps somewhat delusional. Is she on any medication?

195Austin Apr 2010
I worked with someone much younger than me that was dx with Alz. so there is no right age for it my MIL had mental problems in her 50's but as above she needs to be worked up because some nosy person is going to come along and report what she says as the truth I was reported by a home care nurse because I took care of my husband at home and he was beeing seen by at least 100 docs in the 16 yrs. of being disable and had never been told he needed a nursing home and APS got involved and it was no fun. Being perinoid is a clastic sym. of mental illness.

hapfra Apr 2010
Hi Shannon~It sounds to me as though you Mom is paranoid for some reason, as this type of behavior that has been exhibited does not seem like normal aging. Can you contact someone in the medical profession about this--sooner than later, as there may be an underlying reason for all of this? If this is a dementia or alzheimer's then that possibly could be a reason.

Hang tight in the meantime~

Hap

igloo572 Apr 2010
Get to a gerontologist - which is an internist who has had
additional training in elderly diseases. Most health science
centers who have a medical school will have a whole
residency program and faculty for this. That would be where
I would start. If you are in a small town, you will need to
drive to it. It will be worth it to get her into their system
---think of it she could live another 20++ years, so you want
to have it all be as positive as possible.

75 is too young for regular "old-age" problems.
Like Lonken said If she were 86 then it makes more sense.

At 75 they would probably put her on Aricept. The first 2 weeks are critical to get it all into her system and balanced, There can be some GI problems after 5 - 7 days, you HAVE to make
sure that she takes it regular at a set time and get past the
first 3 weeks. It seems to make them feel more in control
and lucid.....so they are much happier.

Mine is in her 90's and we go thru "stealing" issues, which
really are about her finding a way to rationalize when she
can't remember where she put stuff. Whenever she backs off a couple of days on her med's, someone comes and steals.
(I go & count out her pills and it's usually 3 days and a theft!)

The kill her part is the worrisome one.If she starts to tell people about this, some one is going to tell social services
and then it becomes a real issue. You need to have a doctor
evaluate her and tell them about this so that is is on her record as a hallucination. One of my friends dad, who is 90 and
stage 3 Alz. told one of his friends a a couple of years back that DIL was trying to kill him for his $$. Not true as DIL and son provide for all of his' support as he only gets $ 600 mo in SS. But non the less state social worker had them investigated for elder abuse. It all cleared up but a royal PIA.

Now if his dementia with "killing me" hallucination had been on his medical record it would have been resolved by an examination of his medical records. But he was still seeing his
also old MD and it was all just "that's what happens when you get old". Sadly he's in a locked down Alz. unit now. Good luck

jmhca Apr 2010
The behavior you described is NOT part of the normal aging process, but these types of delusions are fairly common among individuals with some form of dementia, usually Alzheimer's. Unfortunately, most doctors are not particularly familiar with dementia. When they went to med school 20 years ago, these behaviors were commonly dismissed as senility. If they spent five minutes learning about Alzheimer's, that's a lot. I don't want to frighten you, but seek further help. Look for someone who specializes in cognitive disorders like dementia. I wish you and Mom the best.

pinkcaddy Apr 2010
That doesn't seem normal to me either. You may have to relocate her to assisted living facility or nursing home. That is not part of the aging process. For some reason your mom is paranoid and needs further help.

lonken Apr 2010
I don't see that as normal. I see that in my 86 year old grandmother who has Alzheimers. DON'T trust that doctor. Get a second opinion or even a third. If that were a sign of "normal" aging, my church would be filled with paranoid old people!

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