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cinderblock Asked July 2022

I'm worried about fire. Other than smoke alarms, what could I do to protect myself?

Hi folks. Things are really ramping up here. My mother refuses to go to a retirement residence for a respite stay. She told her caseworker that she will charge me with "elder abuse" and "coercion" if I force her to go. I have already contacted a lawyer, the one we went through for the property transfer, and she assured me that everything was done to the letter of the law. This doesn't help my mind, though, because I do not like fighting. We are walking on eggshells in our own home!


Mom told me to stay the f**k out of her life, and I am happily complying. It's a nice break, tbh! The difficult part is that she is now cooking in the middle of the night! The cooking issue was one of the main reasons she wasn't able to stay home alone. She is doing it to be spiteful. Last week I cooked her pork chops, chicken breasts, chicken thighs, steamed veggies and soup. She told the worker that all she had to eat was mustard sandwiches!!! Thankfully the PSW was here and showed her all the food that Mom left to rot in her fridge. Out of pure spite.


Anyways, the cooking thing. I am really worried. If she wants to burn the house down with just herself in it, whatever. But not with me in it!


We have smoke detectors, but I'm wondering what else I could do. I could turn the breakers off before bed, but she might claim elder abuse again! Any ideas?


PS The caseworker said she thinks Mom is "paranoid and delusional" and has ordered a geriatric assessment! Finally!!!

AnnReid Jul 2022
Hooray for the geriatric assessment!!!!! Make sure it’s done by a GERIATRIC SPECIALIST WHO CAN PRESCRIBE MEDICATIONS. Ask the caseworker to recommend their favorite or give you a resource for recommendations

She is undertaking activities that are UNSAFE and INAPPROPRIATE. Why the
h*** is she living in your home ANYWAY.

YOUR responsibility, if any, is to provide a SAFE environment for you both to live in, and NOT to cater to her ill advised conduct.

If she claims “elder abuse” ALL THE BETTER. That will force the need for assessment and an alternative plan for living arrangements.

She does NOT have the legal option to refuse anything that is essential for her safe care, and you’ve been TOLD THAT.

YOUR choice, if you “…don’t like fighting…” is to go to bed every night with the fear that the smoke may not awaken you in time when it gets from the kitchen to where you sleep.

“Fighting” is NOT the same as taking good care of YOURSELF, and being objective and not emotional, when meeting her care needs.

YOU ARE NOT ALONE IN THIS. Many of us have lived through it and come through on the other side. Be brave and confident in caring for your needs as well as hers.
cinderblock Jul 2022
Thank you for your response. I think the laws here might be a little different. People are absolutely allowed to make bad/unsafe/downright dangerous decisions for themselves, unless and until they have been deemed unable to make their own care decisions. This is why the geriatric assessment is sooo important! In Canada, well Ontario at least, you can't just go to a specialist without referrals, and it's been a long road trying to get a referral! The system is broken and it's frustrating at best.
The fighting part was in reference to a possible "legal battle" if in her mind she think she's being abused. Mostly I'm saddened by it, because even though she's like this, she's my Mom, and I want to protect her...from herself!
If the assessment shows she's unable to make her own care decisions, then she will be placed against her will. Which is so sad. Getting old is awful.
If it shows she *is* capable, then I don't actually know what we will do. Send her away or leave ourselves... Get a lawyer and do whatever is best for our health and sanity and marriage, I suppose!
I don't wish her dead, but I also cannot wait to get to the other side of this!!!
Tothill Jul 2022
Fellow Canadian here.

I am a bit confused, so please bear with me.

You mentioned a house transfer. Was Mum's home transferred to you? Is this the house you all live in together?

Or did Mum move in with you and your family?

How is the house set up? Does Mum have a separate suite? You mentioned cooking for her and rotting food in her fridge, so it sounds like she has her own kitchen. Was this food prep, before you went away?

It is good that you have the PSW there to set the case worker straight when Mum is lying. And it is fantastic that the CW has referred for an assessment. Hopefully it will not take too long to get that appointment scheduled.

If the case worker was assigned when Mum made prior complaints, I would get her onside and ask her advice on how best to keep Mum safe in t e meantime. Having a record of the conversation will go along way if Mum raises a ruckus again.

You have to keep yourselves safe. Turning off the breaker to her stove is not abuse, no matter how much Mum may yell and complain. She can utter as many threats as she wants, nobody will take her seriously, but she may cause more disruption.

It may not seem proper, but I would be recording all your interactions with her. Just audio would be enough to show that she is irrational. Also keep a diary of 'events' and share them with the specialist ahead of her appointment. Time of day may be a factor in her behaviour issues, so make sure you record it too.

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Grandma1954 Jul 2022
After dinner is done flip the circuit breaker so that the oven/stove can not be turned on.
If this is an older home and you have a fuse box ask an electrician if a switch can be placed at the back of the stove that will turn it off, sort of like unplugging it.
Or if you can remove all the knobs that will turn on the stove top do that. And many stoves have a "lock" feature that will prevent the oven from being turned on.
If it is getting unsafe for her to remain at home and unsafe for you for her to remain at home the only option is to place her in Memory Care.

lealonnie1 Jul 2022
Also take the knobs off the stove! Two can play the spite game. The circuit breakers will be off, but visually, there will be no knobs to turn on either.

Enough is enough.

BarbBrooklyn Jul 2022
Let mom claim elder abuse.

APS will see this situation for what it is (a paranoid delusional elder with dementia).

Maybe YOU should call APS yourself and ask them to talk to mom about how things are going. They might be able to help get her placed.

KPWCSC Aug 2022
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=180205880296514&id=199838530153690&_rdr

a product I saw pitched on Shark Tank by firemen. I did not realize it was so inexpensive compared to risk without it.

Thanks for the reminder... I plan to get one now because recently when I woke up from a nap my husband told me there was a "problem" with the stove... never did understand what the "problem" was but he seemed to think it was left on and was trying to turn it off. Fortunately I found no problem.

MountainMoose Jul 2022
I'm relieved for you that she'll be getting an assessment, cinderblock. I'm glad you have smoke detectors. I agree with other posters who mention flipping the breaker on the stove.

I'd advise to you to -have a fireproof box or fireproof safe for important papers, jewelry, cash, checks, et al. -If you have a computer/laptop, regularly back up your files either to The Cloud or onto hard drives stored in your fireproof box/safe. -Be aware of very special items that you might grab and toss out windows if it's safe for you to do so. -How would you grab your mother and get her and you out of the house should you be blinded from smoke?

I wish you the best in taking care of your mother. I'm so sorry you're having to fight so hard to take care of her.

MJ1929 Jul 2022
Yes, flip the breakers. I know she's delusional, but tell her she gets to use the kitchen between certain hours, then enforce it by shutting off the breakers. It's still your house, so you make the rules.

Tonia722020 Aug 2022
put her in a nursing home

Smithbarbl Aug 2022
I have discovered a most wonderful thing. These are plastic covers for the knobs, and they snap onto the existing knobs of the stove, and she can turn these plastic knobs all she wants, but nothing will happen! We purchased them for Dad because he was trying to heat the kitchen with his gas stove burners. A real lifesaver, you can get them just about anywhere and they’re inexpensive too! Hope this helps. And btw, your dinners sound amazing! When do we eat??!
cinderblock Aug 2022
Wow, great idea!!!
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