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Roseformom Asked August 2024

Is it normal for someone at the end stages of dementia to decline quickly in two weeks with pain?

Hospice nurse and company are telling me this is a normal process of dementia, but I don't believe it. Mom is having to take painkiller all day.

MargaretMcKen Aug 2024
Rose, I wrote recently about hospice not killing my mother, though probably shortening her life by a couple of days, and said that many people don’t realise how close to the end their LO actually is. My mother was talking quite rationally to me on Wednesday and Thursday, declined over several hours and died on Saturday at about midnight. The end can come very quickly, for which be thanks.

Roseformom Aug 2024
Thank you everyone💗 I appreciate your helpful comments and support!

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waytomisery Aug 2024
Just keep her comfortable , that’s what is important at the end stage of dementia .

lealonnie1 Aug 2024
Rose, a UTI was the beginning of the end for my father who did not have dementia. He went from being fine to getting a UTI and dying 19 days later. Even after a round or 2 of antibiotics, his body could not recover. Hospice did administer pain meds during the last week of his life.

My mother, with advanced dementia, was fine too, hanging around in the activity room all day long in her Memory Care Assisted Living facility. Then one day, she went to bed and became semi comatose. She died one week later, to the day. Hospice did give her morphine for pain the last few days of her life. She died peacefully, as did dad.

We're never expecting the end to come when it does, and it's always difficult and traumatic. Wishing you peace and strength as you go thru this,
Roseformom Aug 2024
Thank you💗
Beatty Aug 2024
You mentioned recent UTI?

Urinary tract infections may spread to the kidney, causing pain & even sepsis.

My LO had abdo pain. UTI, constipation & kidney stones found - not sure which came first. Not sure which issue was causing the pain (or if all three were). Surgery for kidney stones, then IV antiobiotics finally cleared infection after weeks. Was grueling & lengthy.

With end stage dementia, I would imaging you want to avoid invasive treatments. Therefore comfort care may be the best you can do.
I am so sorry.
Roseformom Aug 2024
Mom did have kidney stones years ago that sent her to the hospital, but thankfully she recovered. It could be that again, something else, or the end stages. Wish mom could say exactly what it is. Thank you💗
Grandma1954 Aug 2024
If mom is in pain and the "painkillers" are not working for her Hospice should prescribe something else for her pain or if it can not be managed at home then the transport her to a Hospice In Patient facility and manage the pain.

Fawnby Aug 2024
I’m curious as to why you don’t believe the hospice nurse and company.

JoAnn29 Aug 2024
This is normal, giving more pain killers. She may be sleeping all the time. Better for her.

funkygrandma59 Aug 2024
If your mom is under hospice care and is at end of life, of course she's going to be in pain as all her organs are now starting to shut down, and that in itself can be quite painful.
And if food or drink is being forced on her that too can be very painful as the digestive system is the first to shut down in the dying process.
My late husband who had vascular dementia was in excruciating pain for about the last year of his life, and it continued right up to the end, and hospice couldn't get it under control even with the highest dosages of fentanyl.
It was heartbreaking to watch the man I loved suffer so right up to the end.
If the painkillers are helping your mom be comfortable and pain free, please by all means continue them so your mom can die in peace.
AlvaDeer Aug 2024
"If your mom is under hospice care and is at end of life, of course she's going to be in pain as all her organs are now starting to shut down, and that in itself can be quite painful."

As am RN I assure you that Funkygrandma is absolutely correct.
Please encourage hospice to medicate to a level of comfort even should it hasten death by some minutes, hours, or even days.
PeggySue2020 Aug 2024
My dad was diagnosed stage 5 and within a month he was like at the end. We gave him morphine all the time.

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