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GinaTB Asked November 2019

My uncle is verbally abusive to me and I fear he will escalate to physical violence. Any advice?

He told me, before the dementia, he stopped yelling at people because “after the yelling, comes the hitting”. Now that he has dementia, He’s verbally abusing me whenever anybody else makes him angry, which is all the time. He hides it from everyone else and pretends it never happens. When I tried to tell the doctor I was scared, the Doctor dismissed my concerns because it was only “words”.

GinaTB Dec 2019
Thanks so much for that caring and compassionate answer. The doctor is at the VA and I refuse to return to him. Does anyone know how to file a complaint within the VA system?
Grandma1954 Dec 2019
Contact the VA and ask to talk to a Patient Advocate they should be able to help you.
And since you are a caregiver for a Veteran there are options available for you. There is Caregiver Support and you would have a Social Worker that you can contact. When you call and ask to talk to the Patient Advocate ask about Caregiver Support.
Grandma1954 Nov 2019
I guess I shoulda taken a gander at the profile...He is in Assisted Living. That makes it even easier.
If he yells you tell him do not talk to me that way or I am going to leave.
If he is rude, yells, gets verbally abusive you walk out.
Simple.
Repeat step 1 and step 2 as often as is needed.

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Isthisrealyreal Nov 2019
I would hire an aide (with his money of course) to take him where he needs to go and frankly, you don't need to visit him if he is abusive towards you. Have you ever told him to knock it off and if he doesn't that you will walk away? It is okay to tell him that you will not stick around to be his pizzing post.

You have the option to resign as POA, no one can make you responsible, you agree and if it is to much danger then send a certified letter with your resignation letter.

There is no excuse for abuse, EVER. Let the state assign a guardian and keep yourself safe.
GinaTB Dec 2019
Thanks for your support. Yes I have told him to knock it off-first thing I did. Of course he forgot it immediately. I also tried to quit. I looked into options to get a public guardian for him through the county-they said no. He has a tiny social security income not enough for anything beyond the discount assisted living place he is in now. They won’t take him to doctors at all. He’s wheelchair bound due to 9 falls and totally non-compliant. I’m all he has. But at this point I’m so fed up and burned out I’m doing the minimum. I took him to a new doctor in hopes he can get him into a nursing home so I can bow out.
BarbBrooklyn Nov 2019
Gina, is Richard in Assisted Living? If he is, then when he yells, just leave. He doesn't get your help if he is verbally abusive.

If he cant be in AL without your help, and you can't help because he is telling, then he will have to go to a higher level of care, won't he?

anonymous158299 Nov 2019
brass knucks

youre welcome ..

cherokeegrrl54 Nov 2019
I agree 100% with Grandma1954.... you know your uncle better than anyone else if you are his caregiver. That being said, if/when he gets abusive and you dont feel safe, by all means call 911 immediately. Do u have any way of recording these outbursts/threats/ on your phone without him knowing? At least that gives you some “evidence” to show emts or hospital staff. The more you can document the better....and dont even get me started on drs who brush off our concerns like we were nothing. 😡😡. Well whats that dr going to do if your uncle attacks you???? I know you want your uncle to be safe and you should be too! Please try to get as much documentation as possible, because, lets be honest, caregivers arent always listened to by drs, nurses, other medical personnel, especially if the patient denies it all. Please protect yourself....come back and give us an update when you can. Liz
GinaTB Dec 2019
Thanks so much! You are totally right! I am recording his tantrums when I can. I am also keeping a journal and dealing with social workers who are aware of his situation. I am keeping my distance as much as I can and staying away. I won’t be alone with him now. It makes me sad, but he is no longer the person he once was.
Grandma1954 Nov 2019
When I was caring for my Husband I decided early on that I would keep him home unless it became unsafe to do so.
Unsafe for him for me to care for him and
Unsafe for me
That was the only criteria that I had.
When it becomes unsafe for your uncle, when it becomes unsafe for you you have no other option.
Personally I think the doctor's comment is/was uncalled for and might actually be worth reporting as he is ignoring the possibility of physical violence.
The next time your Uncle gets violent call 911. Tell the dispatcher that you are afraid of physically getting hurt by this man and that you need him transported to the hospital for your and his safety. Once at the hospital you can talk to a social worker about options.

NeedHelpWithMom Nov 2019
I don’t mean to be rude but NO ONE is worth being abused for. Also, stop excusing his behavior because he has a disability.

I speak from experience. I took abuse from a large, adult sized non verbal teenager who had severe autism. I was black and blue. It was terrifying to be near him. He was so strong, violent and fast that I couldn’t defend myself. He even tried to push me down stairs. Fortunately, I was able to grab onto the banister.

I was trying to help out a single mom who used to be a friend and neighbor. I sat with him since he was a toddler. He had outbursts but wasn’t violent. He became extremely violent in his teen years. She kept telling me that he needed his psych meds adjusted, so I stuck around to give her a chance to find the right meds and dosage. That was a mistake on my part.

I cut off the relationship when she did not care who her son abused.

She refused to place him anywhere even though she or no one else could handle his violence. Her reason? Because she felt that he would be abused. There was no reasoning with her when it came to her son. She was completely irrational.

Don’t become irrational like my neighbor was. There are professionals who are trained to deal with these difficult situations. Let them deal with it. That doesn’t mean that you don’t care. It means that you do care enough to do what is best for him and protect yourself at the same time.

You are not his punching bag. Mental and physical abuse is very damaging. I ended up in therapy after sitting with this young man and when I defended him due to his disability, my therapist quickly told me that I was being abused and not to make any more excuses and to protect myself by leaving a dangerous situation. He also told me that my neighbor was not a friend to me so therefore she didn’t deserve my friendship. He was one hundred percent right.

Do I feel sorry for her and him? Absolutely! But I can’t change her way of thinking for her to make the best decision for both of them. He abused his mother on a daily basis. No one will sit with him now. He even abused his grandmother who was in her seventies.

His mom was so desperate for a break that she didn’t care who her son hurt.

It just doesn’t work that way. Abuse is abuse. No one gets to allow abuse. No one deserves to receive abuse from anyone.

Please remove yourself from harm. Let someone else figure it out. Call Council on Aging. You have already notified his doctors. Call APS if you have to because others haven’t listened or cared.

Best wishes to you.
rovana Nov 2019
You've said it best! No one is anyone else's lawful prey.
JoAnn29 Nov 2019
He lives in an AL, correct? So you don't have to visit. If you are his POA then do what needs to be done in the way of paying his bills and medically. Keep and eye on his needs, like toiletries and clothing. But you don't need to visit all the time. If he asks why u don't visit, tell him. Because of the verbal abuse. He may understand, he may not. If you spend time with him, spend it in the common area not his room. If his room, keep the door open. Sit close enough to talk but far enough away he can't reach out and hit u. Be were others can see what happens.

What doctor did u take him to that hasn't heard of a person suffering from Dementia and becoming violent? Is this a neurologist? Have you talked to the RN at his facility? You may want to tell her how he is abusive and threatening. They need to be aware of this to protect other residents.

You are lucky that you don't have him 24/7. You can choose to or not to visit. Please don't feel obligated. Once a week would be enough. Does he have a phone? Does he use it? Does he abuse it by calling u all the time? If there is no reason for him to have it, then "lose" it. Tell the Staff that u took it. If u can't take it away, block his calls. Call him back when u feel like it. If u have POA, you have some control. He no longer can make informed decisions. Its now what he needs not what he wants.
cherokeegrrl54 Nov 2019
Where does she state he is in AL?? Have i missed something in her profile??
anonymous912123 Nov 2019
Well, not all doctors today really give a hoot, patients are just a number to them and a paycheck.

If you are uncomfortable, then back away, let someone else deal with him, I would not put myself in harms way, as he will not get better....only worse.

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