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I always read, and respond to, comments from people who are laying guilt trips on others for needing to place a parent in a care home environment; Skilled Nursing, Memory Care or Assisted Living.


If you LOVED your mother, they'll say, you'd care for her at home, even if it's killing you to do so!


How's that for a guilt trip? Yet we read comments like that ALL THE TIME here!


What does love have to do with the need to place a loved one in a care home environment?


As a receptionist in a Memory Care community, I DARE you to tell ANY ONE of the sons, daughters, husbands, wives or other loved ones that they do not 'LOVE' their family member and 'put' them there in this place to rot away! I'd sure love to see the fight that would break out as a result of such an insensitive comment.


Not many people would have the chutzpah to make that comment in real life, to someone's face, yet find it perfectly acceptable to do so under the veil of anonymity here on the forum.


I call FOUL!


When is it okay to say you've had enough and that you're human and can't care for your loved one any longer? Do you have to be in the hospital yourself before it's acceptable to surrender?


I will say this: my parents have been in Assisted Living/Memory Care since 2014; Dad passed in 2015. My mother is almost 93 and still alive precisely BECAUSE she's in a care environment with a staff to look after her 24/7! Had she been in my home, or living in the 'heaven' everyone seems to think is her Own Home all this time, she would have died long ago.


Having a staff 24/7, round the clock, is safer and a lot more effective than trying to care for a loved one yourself day & night! And knowing when to call the doctor, or when to call 911, or when to get an xray and on and on. In a care environment, those things are a known quantity, as a rule, and done FOR the elder.


It's okay also to take care of your loved one in your home, or their home, if that is what you truly want to do, and if you're happy doing so, and if THEY are safe in that environment. But please, do not pass judgment on those who MUST place their loved one in care!


You actually may find YOURSELF in that boat one day and I promise you that you will not welcome comments telling you that if you 'loved' your mother, you wouldn't have 'put her in a home.'


Some decisions are out of our hands. Some decisions are made FOR us. And some decisions have to be made for the sheer necessity of it.


Be kind when leaving a comment here on the forum. Lots of people are hurting and genuinely in need of a sincere word of understanding and empathy rather than judgment.

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I have always been the sort of person who doesn’t take well to people who try to tell me what to do. Sometimes, that’s been a bit of a downfall. But, I’ve always needed to learn my own lessons in my own time. Sure, it bothers me when I learn people have been telling tales about me behind my back. I’m human, after all. But it does not define me and I consider the source. People are entitled to their opinions. But for me to listen to people, sometimes strangers, who know nothing about me or my situation and who presume to pronounce judgment on my decisions isn’t going to happen.
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I've been a member of the forum for many years and although we do have people who like to spout that kind of self righteous garbage they are very much in the minority (after all, the people who think they have all the answers don't need a place like this).
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The martyrs here make me feel some type of way. But like Cwillie said, they are in the minority.
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qmnpxl Dec 2019
There’s nothing the martyr with me. :-)
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Lealonnie1,
I completely agree with everything you have said. I know that when my mom was in the nursing home she started doing better, got better care since they had her eating properly and doing physical therapy.

I saw a big improvement until brother took her out because he was worried about her money.
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Well said but...I haven't seen anything posted like that for a while.

My DH does not like ALs or NHs. He very rarely will enter one. I have told him I will keep him home as long as I can but cannot promise him anything. He weighs 80 lbs more than I do.

When Mom came to live with me, it was not going to be permanent. I hoped to sell her house. With those proceeds and money she had I was hoping to get her into an AL. Which I later did. No one should have to care for someone 24/7. Plus, for many is a history thing. No one should have to care for someone who has been abandoned or abused by the person they r asking to care for.

I at one time wondered why people didn't take a parent in. My eyes have been opened an I judge no more.
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Jada824 Dec 2019
My mother & her siblings ( there are 4 of them) didn’t take my grandfather in to live with them or care for him in his home after he had fallen. He went into a nursing home & he was okay with it because he liked to socialize with people.

Now however all the siblings are in their 90’s and all want to stay in their own homes. Three of them are not safe or capable of living on their own.

It’s scary to think that one of them who is alone still drives at 95.
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I haven't seen much of that kind of negativity about long term care facilities, around here, but, there are places where it is very common and caustic. It's rather shocking to me, because, I don't know of any family members in my personal life who take issue with a LO going to long term care, if they need it. MOST of the seniors even say that they may have to go one day. Now, maybe, they would change their mind, if it came to it, but, most people that I know have a reasonable approach to it and don't consider it as a moral issue.

I can't help but wonder if some of the anti long term care philosophy comes from antiquated notions about places from long ago. Maybe, they can't let go or accept the reality of today. To each his own, I suppose, so, it doesn't bother me if they feel that way. All opinions are welcome.

Something that does bother me is when the idea of being loud and verbally abusive to a LO who is annoying due to their illness, is justified, because they (the home caregivers) are overwhelmed. Or the caregiver must leave the LO alone, when it is unsafe to do so.......yet, they refuse to consider alternate care. These things concern me greatly.
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Um, I see these comments here frequently! Which is why I'm posting this!!
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worriedinCali Dec 2019
Same. And I can name several posters who habitually make negative comments about LTC facilities. You already know LOL
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Leilonnie: I appreciate your statement. I have commented a few times on here that AL, SNF, MC offer 24/7 care by professionals who are not sleep deprived and yes, many do it well. Many adult children caring for elderly LO heep enough guilt on themselves for even admitting they're stressed & tired without someone telling them they should be feel honored to do it like they do.
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I would (and probably have) add that in many situations placing a loved one in residential care is the most loving as well as the most difficult thing to do. We seem to forget that patients often get to a place where it isn't safe for them to be cared for at home, mobile patients who are larger than their caregivers or that have violent tendencies as a result of their dementia, patients who are a fall risk but refuse or forget to wait for or use assistance. There are all kinds of reasons it's better for them to be placed somewhere and often families that wait until something major happens because they are selfishly (not aware of it or purposely selfish) keeping them at home longer than is really best for the patient. Every person is different, every situation is different and not one of us can pass judgment on someone else's decisions or situation because we can't walk a mile in their shoes, it isn't possible because none of us have the exact same situation.
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Thank you for your message. I totally agree. It isn't about throwing people away. Its about giving people the care they need.

I saw a video on YouTube about when to place someone in a home. There was someone commenting their judgement towards others. They don't get it.

At least we know deep down what's right. That's what counts
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Frances73 Dec 2019
I think that sometimes too. Then I visit Mom in AL worrying about her being lonely and she is either winning at Bingo, batting at beachball volleyball, or off on a sightseeing tour. I’ve learned to check her social calendar before I visit😀
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Lealonnie,

My biggest problem was I placed guilt on myself. Guilt is absolutely a trap! We start to feel unworthy. We start to feel like our feelings don’t matter and we must sacrifice everything which is not true.

Honestly, I became numb to it all. I don’t think I fully realized how much of my life I had sacrificed until the after effects hit me when it was finally over, after she had moved into my brother’s home.

I guess it depends on the circumstances of the individual. My mom requires lots of care and it wore me out, physically and emotionally.

If I had been caring for someone like my near 98 year old cousin it would have been different. She is in good health, no walker, not even a cane, drives, upbeat and funny, overall a lovely woman. Hey, I could deal with that!

My cousin still lives independently. I do worry about her driving because she did get a speeding ticket! Hahaha
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It seems like a lot of the stories here are from caregivers who's parents were either somewhat absent or abusive while they were growing up. Makes me think there is some kind of underlying psychological issues causing them to ruin their lives by in a futile attempt to keep them home.
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notrydoyoda Dec 2019
There is. They are trying to get their parent to love them which they never have and never will despite their sacrifices. The flip side of this is they were groomed by their parents to do this.
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lealonnie, I see it on this aging care forum quite a bit. It happened the other night so I told the person making the comment,,that she was more than welcome to come take care of my mother. They think it’s so easy, my Mother would call the cops on them so fast to get them out of her house!! I would love to see one of those self righteous people just try to help my Mother. Cmon Irene, let’s eat, cmon Irene let’s bathe, cmon Irene let me wash your hair. Cmon Irene, let me do your laundry. Yeah right!!!! It would NEVER happen because my Mother wouldn’t allow anybody in the house.
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Here’s the thing. If it isn’t their mom, dad, spouse, grandparent, it isn’t their decision. People need support, not negative criticism. There are different viewpoints on most topics.

Even if others don’t agree, they can still respect choices that are made that are best for everyone, the elder and caregiver.

Constructive criticism is great! Constructive criticism is thought provoking and helpful but making someone feel guilty about placing someone in a facility is totally different.

An example of constructive criticism is when I was worn out but wouldn’t let go. It doesn’t hurt to encourage someone to let go. Sometimes people need a push to get over a hump!
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Frances73 Dec 2019
I have to remember that. "You don’t get to have an opinion about something you have no interest in."
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Awesome post!

My mom is presently in rehab and can’t walk due to falling in her home for the umpteenth time. She uses that guilt trip on us her adult children. So, the sibling who has control won’t put her in assisted living. It appears she will bypass any chance of having a mellow old age and go straight to nursing home. She is diabetic and has mild dementia.
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Hi,

you must have found a trustworthy facility and I commend you for that. My mother is in a memory care assisted living and was left unchanged (diaper) for 15.5 hours straight. Reasoning is her combativeness. We are at the top of the food chain paying for the care she is supposed to be getting and is not. I am under the impression if you work in a dimentia unit, you are well equipped with re-directing, diverting attention, distracting the resident and not utter neglect.
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lealonnie1 Dec 2019
Utter neglect is unacceptable, obviously, and needs to be reported to the Ombudsmen. If your mom is THAT combative with being changed, a medication change should be looked into right away.
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Excellent post! I couldn’t agree with you more!
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Absolutely agree with you. I will never ever expect from my daughter what was expected of me. Never. Alzheimer’s patients progress at different levels. I couldn’t keep caring for my mother 24/7. I did for 5 years. Then my blood pressure goes off the charts, I don’t sleep. , I have a racing heart. And why ? Because one person can’t be on call and a caregiver 24/7. Not possible. So she’s in memory care, and guess what? She’s adjusted. I did all I could for as long as I could. Then I could not. No shame.
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Yeah, it all sounds peachy until you are faced with one or both parents in failing health. Once you are backed into a corner, you realize the life you have built is truly on the line. Your health? Your career? Your financial security? Your marriage? Possibly - hobbies/goals/rewards you have been working toward for decades? We each only get one life and none of us is guaranteed a long one.

I am an only child, my dad died of dementia 3 weeks ago in a memory care home, and right now my mom is locked up in a mental health facility and the staff thinks she is showing signs of dementia too. They are recommending placement somewhere soon - or if she insists on staying in her home she needs someone there 24-hours a day. This has been a long and unpleasant journey and will go on indefinitely into the future.

My parents had me (and only me) when they were in their 20s, by the time they were in their early 40s I was independent. I would say they got the MUCH easier end of the bargain!
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ExhaustedPiper Dec 2019
Upstream you may have addressed this, but since your mom is currently in the hospital can you refuse to take her back to her home? Can you tell the facility social worker that you can not be her care-giver?

For your sake I hope you can get her into a care facility now! What does "soon" mean to these people? Do they think she is safe to discharge home alone?

I've read that staff will try to take the easy way out and push the work onto relatives but if you stand your ground they must make arrangements.
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Those are people who obviously have never been in a caregiver role. If you can afford an ALF or Nursing Home, they will always get better care and there are many facets of caregiving which a loved one should not have to see their parent or spouse deal with. The emotional pain is not felt by a professional.
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Thank you for your post. There have been a few times I’ve considered leaving this site due to rude comments about people who put their loved ones in nursing homes, very harsh and judgmental comments that lack any insight or compassion. My mother went within hours from living just fine in her home to being 100% physically unable to do anything from a devastating stroke. She couldn’t roll over, sit, eat, or stratch what itched, yet she was fully there mentally. It was and remains the cruelest thing I’ve ever witnessed. Her care was overwhelming and impossible in the home. It was with profound sadness that she went to a nursing home. I spent the next four years wondering how to bring her home, but there was never a way. Her care only got more intense and then she mercifully died, leaving me broken-hearted. We remain grateful for the kind and compassionate care she received, our family visited and were her advocates, we made the best of the rotten hand that was dealt. Our children learned valuable lessons from being in a nursing home environment. Fast forward, I find this site for help with my dad, and all too often see snide comments on the sorry people who put their family in no good, sorry nursing homes (the oft repeated “there are no good ones” is a mantra here) and the self patting on the back by those who have the choice not to do placement. I join in asking that the judgment stop and the compassion and understanding increase
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I couldn't agree more...someone in this forum gave me the same guilt trip for wanting to being my mom home!! Everyone has their own unique battle, especially within themselves as to caring for a loved one...so, please support them in their decision making. I never thought I would be in the situation I am, but right now, I believe it's right where I need to be. In the meantime, everyone....take care of yourselves too...I schedule that massage or coffee or trip to the bookstore. I am no good to my mother or myself all stressed out and upset.
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Thank you for reminding people that full time care in facilities is also a choice of love.

It helps to remember that caring for a LO at home, in their own home, or a long term care facility are all options with their own benefits and problems. Many caregivers need to decide if caring for their LO at home is "do-able" in terms of the time commitment, physical requirements, and - sometimes - the emotional toll on the caregiver. Caring for a LO in their own home is "do-able" by family and paid staff as long as the home is safe and accessible to caregivers and LO. Long term care facilities provide 24/7 care for their clients and try to provide "home-like" environments. Long term care facilities are the most expensive option but best for LO with overwhelming needs.

Whatever caregivers and families decide should always be guided by desire to provide best care in a loving environment.
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Well said. I do report the negative posts 😊
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I moved my mother in with me and my husband 7 month's ago. She needs 24 hour supervision and willl not spend any time on her own. She constantly needs me to entertain her. I am one of 5 children 3 of which live out of state. The 1 sibling that lives nearby gives little help and when she does come here it is like she is the baby sitter and not mom's daughter. This has taken a toll on both me and my husband and I will be looking for long term care. I would like to go back to being my mother's daughter and not her full time care giver. We should never judge anyone. This journey is different for each family. We all need to make decisions that will bring peace to all of us. I do not want my children to take me in if the time comes that I am no longer able to care for myself and have already told them as much
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lealonnie1 Dec 2019
Amen.....good luck and all the best!
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Not sure how these are answers to the question of WHEN to surrender?
My brother has many problems, not the least is his NOT using his walker, nor his sometime inability to guess WHERE the bathroom is actually located.
He is mostly sweet and agreeable with his care and he is never violent. Since the kidney doctor restricted fluids, he stays in bed until I turn on the TV in the morning ( I have a camera so I can check on him)

It would be good to be able to go shopping, be able to get out of town for the weekend sometimes ( My sister relieved me for a week off, but none of us are young and there is a 4 -5 hour trip each way for her to drive up). Our brother is confused after outings to the doctor, tests, treatments , and did not respond well when we attempted a trip just to a campground for a change of scenery).

I try not to to go anywhere that I cannot leave quickly to rush home for an emergency ( such as a bathroom accident or heaven forbid .. a fall) because I am the only one who is physically able to deal with those things.
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notrydoyoda Dec 2019
"It would be good to be able to go shopping, be able to get out of town for the weekend sometimes "

That sounds like time to surrender and find him other help so that you can have your life back.
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First, thank you. I don't think I am there yet, but I can foresee the day. I posted a few weeks ago about relatives descending and I think the stress of Thanksgiving is the reason I havce a UTI right now. (I know lots of things play a cause them, but I do practice good hygiene, and my doctor says stress sometimes plays a role.)

The trouble is, Mom was in a "Rehabilitation Center" after a medical problem earlier this yesr, and it was a nightmare. Another resident would come into her room and remove the family photos I put on her dresser. Mom told me that one of the staff pinched her. And there was a fiasco with her hearing aid (she can not hear without it) where it was lost; I had to go to the Director of Nursing a raise a fuss. After that, the hearing aid was kept in a medicine box and not in her ear. Lots of good that did her.

Mom did the "I want to go home and the "This is not my house" while the siblings were here and my brother wanted her in AL right away. The trouble is, I think mom is too far gone for AL. I hear of residents being expelled when the money is gone or they get too hard to care for. And I can not find a decent nursing home near here and still worry about what happens when mom's finances run dry.

Sorry to ramble about my woes. I do thank you for the post as some do not understand what family members who are primary caregivers go through.
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Frances73 Dec 2019
Don’t listen to what "they" say. Do your own research, visit facilities and talk to staff and residents. Stop people in the hallway and ask them about the place. Ask to have a meal in the dining room. Make unscheduled visits. Call a Place for Mom for recommendations. Call Church Services, your doctor, social media for suggestions, even Yelp! Ask friends who have had experiences where they would or would not place a loved one.

Rumors are not true. I have spent a lot of time in the past 5 years doing all these things and consider the opinion of people actually involved in elder care much more reliable than "them."
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I think the decision is each family's to make. I do see people who don't want to care and it the facility is more of a "dumping ground" i.e. maybe their parent was placed before there was a real need, and other times not. Sometimes the placement is likely and doing it sooner is a better plan. And sometimes the move is a stressor and people do not last long after that happens. Sometimes the person may have a reason to live by taking care of their home or garden, or socialize with neighbors.
No one has a right to sit in judgement of others not knowing all the circumstances, and no one can really know all the circumstances and history, as you pointed out.
Also, each city, each area, that has a variety of facilities...the ratings do not always tell the whole story. So while it may look like there are good places, they may be a sham and not be. And the good ones...the very good ones...may come at a steep price no one can afford...so someone who loves their person may opt to hang tight and caregive at home rather than consider a home.
I think anyone who arrives at this page is doing the best they can, or wanting to regardless of the decisions they make. No one should be put down for whatever those choices are. Better the energies be directed to fighting for living wages with higher standards of care being provided by caregivers, and for paid family leave and continuation of social security benefits if someone leaves the workforce to care for family member. In the end the care people receive especially in NH or AL is dependent on the attitude and consequently wages of the caregivers at the bottom of the ladder.
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notrydoyoda Dec 2019
" continuation of social security benefits if someone leaves the workforce to care for family member"

This is unrealistic for you must work in order to contribute to social security in the future.
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We are dealing with placement of a father-in-law in assisted living. Family has done everything they can due and we are all tired and picking at each other for no reason other then the fact that we all have had enough. So we are looking at many places to pick one for him. He is going with us but not without a struggle, I get it he has called his house home for 60 plus years but it is unsafe for him to stay there by himself without 24 hour care. Sometimes you have to take care of you so you can deal with the many decisions that will come along.
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As many of you know I have only 1 criteria for this...
SAFETY.
If for ANY reason you do not feel safe caring for your loved one..
and that can be a physical safety or emotional safety.
If for ANY reason you feel your loved one is not safe with you caring for them, and again that can be a physical safety or emotional safety.
The only possible 2 options are..
Placing your loved one in a facility where they will be cared for and you can then become the wife, husband, daughter, son, grandchild that you are and NOT a hands on caregiver. You are still a caregiver, an advocate but not a 24/7/365 hands on caregiver.
Having someone come in to the home and taking care of your loved one. BUT the house has to be set up so it is safe and works for the full range of care that will be needed. Since most homes are not set up that way and unfortunately builders are short sighted when it comes to aging into a home this often is not an option.
This also leaves the worst case where a decision has to be made due to a catastrophic event that occurs where either the caregiver or the care recipient is injured and no option is left.
Choosing to place your loved one is NOT a failure, it is NOT giving up it is making an educated informed, hopefully rational decision.
And in many cases the person that made you promise that you would NEVER put them in "a home" no longer exists. The well, rational person that made you promise that would most likely not have wanted you to give up your life, your family, your friends to care for them.
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lealonnie1 Dec 2019
Well put Grandma and very true. I cringe when I read how demented mother is fine staying home alone all day or ok to cook, etc. It's mind boggling to me how someone would wait for a catastrophic event to occur before seeing the danger for a demented elder living independently!
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