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Hi. I’m a 33 year old female and I’m really struggling with my 65 year old mother. Well, she wants a grandchild from me even though she already has 2 grandkids from my brother who are still little.
I don’t feel comfortable having a baby because even though I’m in a serious relationship, I feel like my boyfriend is abusive sometimes. I think he might have bipolar disorder because his personality changes all the time. I already told my mom that even though I’m still with my boyfriend our relationship is not always well. Then she told me: “Well, maybe a baby could change him”. What???? That’s the most ridiculous thing ever. A baby is not a magic pill who will solve my problems or change my boyfriend. If anything, kids are stressful and a huge responsibility. I don’t want more stress than what I already have.


Even if I told her my boyfriend and I struggle in our relationship she still goes on and on that having a baby is wonderful. She doesn’t understand it’s my choice. I used to ignore her comments but I’m already sick of having to make her understand that I won’t bring a human being into this world if I don’t have stability in my relationship. I don’t want to put up a fake smile for a baby while I might be miserable inside dealing with my own problems.


My mom seems obsessed about being a grandma. One time I went on vacation with my parents for a week and all she did during the entire trip was talk about her grand daughter and how much she “missed her”. When I talk to my mom about my job, my dream of buying a house, or going to Europe with her, she acts like it’s a boring thing to talk about. All she cares is about me having children. She thinks that should be my ultimate goal in life.


Last night I couldn’t sleep because she brought the subject again when I clearly explained children were not on my plans. Since she goes to church, she told me that I should listen to the preacher’s message. I heard it and the preacher was basically praying for all women that couldn’t conceive. The message was about reproduction. Ahhhhh why is she so stubborn? I feel like I will have to cut her off from my life if she treats me like a child making machine and not an actual human being.


What can I do to make her understand it’s a personal choice?

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She sounds just like my former MIL. She constantly asked when I was going to have babies for her. Yes, she said "babies for her". I already had a child when I married her son and after a few months of her comments, i turned and told her I was not having any more children and that was that. Now we were planning to have kids, but her nagging got to the point of creepy.

She was thrilled when I gave birth a few days before our 4th anniversary, but got right pissy when I was not dropping everything to travel for 1/2 a day to bring the baby to her. She easily could have come to us, but nope she did not want to. She got into a right snit when my former father in law and his new wife and step daughters came out from England to see us, before she saw the baby.

After a month or so we traveled to see her and she immediately started in on when was I going to give her another baby. Good God woman, I had not fully recovered from the birth.

You have the right to say..."Mum I will not discuss my decision to not have a child with you." If she starts up, leave the conversation, walk away, hang up the phone etc. It is part of putting boundaries in place.
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disgustedtoo Feb 2021
Yikes! Clone of my former MIL???

I was the vessel that brought forth the grandchildren. Her own daughter never had kids, didn't want them.

Getting snitty when they don't get their way? Yup. Days before my son was born, she called asking us to come for Easter. I didn't realize it at the time, but the backache I had at the time of the call was early contractions (most of both births were back labor - yuck!) I tried to politely decline. When I said I wasn't feeling up to it, she wanted her son (my ex later) and my daughter to come, without me. Yup, it's Easter, so you can sit at home alone while we yuck it up! I should give my boy a little bonus... His timing was perfect, and ensured NONE of us went to their place for Easter!

She ALSO got VERY pissy when her ex showed up and wanted to meet with his grown kids (don't know the details, but he was out of the picture - I suspect SHE made sure of that!) So, the 3 of them met up with him. Later he came here, and first time met with me and the ex. She had eyes and ears about town, so she was aware and unhappy about it. When baby #1 came, he and his wife came back and we met at the motel they were in. Again, she heard about it and the SH!T hit the fan! The final straw was him coming to our house after baby #2, around Xmas. Oh BOY! I think it was SIL who told mom (although she'd been schmoozing often with him, to get him to leave her all kinds of things, such as his car, mechanic tools, etc.) Next thing I know, we're being summoned for a summit at their house. I declined. I said this is between you, your mother and step father. LEAVE ME OUT OF IT. That man did NOTHING to me and I'm not going to slam the door in his face. No clue what went on, but didn't care. I don't recall ever hearing any more about it. Her big thing was he hasn't earned the right to be a grandparent... Right? Genetically he IS the grandfather. What does he have to do to "earn" that? No, the issue was she was extremely selfish and didn't want to share with him.

It is sad how petty so many people can be... and thoughtless.
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You simply can’t make your mother or anyone else do or understand anything. Her beliefs will always be her own. But the good news is that you’re an adult and you don’t have to discuss your choices with anyone, mom included. Don’t talk about it again, it’s an endless loop that you’ve already answered. Don’t listen to it, leave when the subject comes up. And though you didn’t ask, and I’m a total stranger, it’s my hope for you that you’ll get out of an abusive relationship and choose a better life for yourself than that. You deserve it!
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Good grief, if your relationship is rocky, kids certainly won't make it any smoother!

I have often said you need a strong marriage to survive children!

I'm more concerned with your boyfriend. Has he been diagnosed with bipolar disorder? It is a terrible disease. A few of my co-workers had wives with bipolar disorder. One wife killed herself, leaving her husband with their young daughter. One wife spent so much money on mail-orders -unbeknownst to her husband, since she had everything delivered to her work address and rented several storage units - they had to file for bankruptcy. My uncle was also bipolar, and ended up with a compulsive hoarding disorder, since he stopped taking medication once he retired from the Navy. He died alone in his house surrounded by his hoard.

If you intend to forge out a life with this man, I think you need to lay it on the line - either he gets professional help for his mental problems, whatever they are, or you walk. And even then, be ready for the long haul through life - one of the reasons bipolar disorder is so difficult is the patient has to forever be tweaking medications, and from my understanding it's a lot of trial and error.

As far as mom goes - tell her you are DONE with the kid conversation. When she brings it up either 1) hang up or 2) leave. Tell her you will talk to her again once she can get over her obsession with kids.

Good luck!
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Get out of the abusive relationship.

Walk out when your mother starts the baby talk.

Your mother sounds a little "off". Pay no attention to her rants. Forge your own path to happiness.
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Forget what your mom says and leave the boyfriend!!
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You don't want to make her understand, you want her to agree with you - but she doesn't agree. Not about this.

It doesn't matter. Your mother can bore the pants off you on this subject but nothing she says or does can make you want to get pregnant. Tell her that if you like, but otherwise just let it be.

PS Ditch the boyfriend.
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The decision of whether to have a child or not is yours not anyone else including your mother. Tell her you no longer want to talk about it - subject is closed! But first what is more important is ending the relationship with your current boyfriend.
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I would encourage her to become a foster parent and then she won't have time to harp at you about procreating.

Why would you stay with an abusive man? You deserve better than wondering what next or if you will survive the next round of abuse.
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"Having a baby has completely improved my relationship and made my life easier" SAID NO WOMAN EVER.

You can stop trying to reason with her since it's obvious that's never going to work. When she launches in change the subject abruptly to something totally unrelated. If she keeps going back to it just keep changing the subject. Is she escalates, walk out of the room, put in ear buds or whatever blocks her. This is called "extinguishing" a behavior. Good luck!
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I think your "pushy" mom is the least of your worries. You(and her) should be more concerned that you are choosing to stay with a man who is abusive to you. Do you not feel that you deserve better, or that no one else will love you? Please never tolerate any kind of abuse from anyone, and seek counseling if necessary. You don't ever want to bring an innocent child into an abusive relationship. Perhaps if your mom understood this, she wouldn't keep pestering you. Might be time to be more honest with your mom, about your abusive relationship with your boyfriend, and then please get rid of him.
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Have your Mom do what I did (when it is safe) and volunteer in nursery at church or at hospital. We have four grandchildren and none of them want children. We understand and would never put pressure on them. We celebrate their pets!
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For me this isn't really an elder care issue. As you are new to this Forum I hope you will continue out your search a bit in hopes of finding a Forum better suited to your problems of relationship issues and whether or not to have children.
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lealonnie1 Feb 2021
Her mother is a senior and she is clearly having an issue with her! Fits the A.C criteria perfectly in my book! 😁
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Please do not ever consider the idea of having a child to please family, society, etc. This is a very great responsibility ....I would just walk away if someone started this on me. Would not even dignify this intrusion with any kind of discussion.
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I have a daughter that at 35 has chose to stay single. If she were to marry she doesn't want kids. This is her choice. I am older than ur Mom and have 2 grandsons by my older daughter. If she had planned on having none, it wouldn't have bothered me.

Stop explaining to Mom. Its actually none of her business. When an Aunt kept asking my SIL when she was having kids, SIL told her Aunt would be the first to know. SIL never had kids. Why, I have no idea. That is something between her and my

You are smart in not making any huge decisions. I wouldn't even buy a house with this man. If you feel he is BiPolar, then maybe u should suggest he see a dr. Meds can help. Know when to walk away from the relationship.
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It isn’t your mother’s life. It’s yours.

I used to work with a woman who was content being single.

People constantly asked her why wasn’t she married.

She would say, “I am happy being single.”

Some people are idiots! They would say things like, “Oh honey, you just haven’t met the right guy.”

People would try and set her up on blind dates. She refused their offers.

One day she was speaking to me at lunch about the busybodies at work.

I told her. “I am so sorry they are hounding you. Even if you do marry, it won’t stop.”

Certain people will always try and tell you how to live YOUR life and NOT because they have your best interest at heart.

I explained to my coworker that I was married but didn’t have kids.

These busybodies at work kept telling me to have a baby!

I explained to her that I had fertility issues and wanted children but I was not going to share my private life with busybodies!

Your mom is a busybody that is interfering in your life.

The only people who do this sort of thing are people that aren’t fully living their own lives.

So they feel the need to live vicariously through your life.

Don’t fall for it! Tune them out.

I give you credit for not wishing to procreate with an abusive man.

What I don’t quite understand though, is that if you don’t wish for your mom to interfere in your life and she doesn’t have a right to run the show. Nor does your boyfriend.

Your boyfriend doesn’t have the right to rob your peace and joy either.

Men are not DIY projects. Stop wasting your time.

Value yourself for the wonderful person that you are.

Then you will find that you are attracting positive people in your life.

Very often people will treat you the way that you treat yourself.

Do not ever lose respect for yourself.

Surround yourself with people that appreciate you.

Best wishes to you.
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Daughterof1930 Feb 2021
“Men are not DIY projects” NHWM, that made my evening! Amen sister!
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Get a pet and constantly refer to it as your child, and her grandchild.

Constantly.

Insist on bringing it with you when you visit her ("she's my baby....")

The more unusual the pet, the better (snakes work great for this trick since you can wear them around your neck like a tie and have your hands free).
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cherokeegrrl54 Feb 2021
OMG im literally laffing so hard i almost fell off my bed. This is priceless!!!!!
thanks for the stress relief, i sure needed it!!! Im going through tests the next couple of weeks that may be a cancer diagnosis. So every chance i get to laugh, i take it. Again thank you!! Liz
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You could try something that seems to work for my brother, who is the master at avoiding conflict.... Tell her you are really considering it and she will be the first to know. Whenever my brother was asked when he would do something, he would always reply "Soon".

My mother was mean and argumentative when she started drinking (pretty much the same time every day), and would always try to pick fights with someone in the family. One time she marched up to one of our teen-age sons and said, "Why don't you join the army? You should join the army!" Without missing a beat he said, "You're right, Grandma. I should do that." It completely took the wind out of her sails, and she went back in the kitchen to think of some other way to aggravate someone.

My point is, she may be trying to start an argument and sometimes the best thing to do is to out-maneuver her.
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disgustedtoo Feb 2021
Same technique for mothers and bullies for kids! All too often, as I told my daughter, they have their one shot and nothing more. Throw it back at them. Agree or say whatever, off the cuff. They usually don't know what to do then!

'Tell her you are really considering it and she will be the first to know. Whenever my brother was asked when he would do something, he would always reply "Soon"."

Makes me think of Charlton Heston in the Michelangelo movie (had to look up the title: The Agony and the Ecstasy). I don't recall any of the movie other than when he's painting the Sistine Chapel. The Pope keeps asking him when he will be finished (make an end) and Heston replies "When I am done!" Once it was during Mass, and Heston dropped a brush, with it clattering and echoing all the way down the scaffolding. The Pope wordlessly mouths out the words and Heston does the same!

I've often use the line with others when at work or whatever. I would get asked what time do you get in? When I'm here. What time do you leave? When I go! The uses are almost endless!!!
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Just buy her one of those creepy reborn dolls LOL! She can get her baby fix whenever she wants.
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ZippyZee Feb 2021
Well there's my nightmare fuel for the week. Why would anyone want one of those? They are so freaky looking.
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Is your mother possibly suffering from dementia or some form of mental illness as yet undiagnosed? If the answer is no, then it's none of her business why you don't have children. You're not even married, so it's not so common for women of your mother's age to be pushing for grandchildren which makes me wonder about her mental health. Obsessive and selfish fixations of this magnitude suggest there could be more going on than meets the eye. How rich to bring in the religious sermon too.....what, pray tell, would this preacher have to say about you being an unwed mother.....boy would he have prayers THEN, huh?🤣

Anyway, what's concerning about your post to me, as a mom myself, is that you're with an abusive and mentally unstable man. Please think hard about ending this relationship right away and respect yourself enough to not tolerate ANY abuse from ANYONE for ANY reason. Mental illness is no pass for mistreating you. I have a bipolar step daughter and let me tell you, my tolerance for her is almost non existent. I cannot and will not subject myself to her behavior because it's off the wall.

If you need to, have a conversation with your mother and let her know her obsession with you having "her grandchild" is driving a big wedge between you and if she doesn't cut the crap immediately, you will cut HER out of YOUR life. Which you don't want to do.

Toxic people wreak havoc and cause unnecessary chaos and ulcers in our lives. Even when they come in the form of boyfriends and mother's. They don't have the right to ruin our peace or strip the joy from our lives. Don't allow it any longer, you deserve more
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cherokeegrrl54 Feb 2021
Amen to all of this!!!! Especially the toxic, abusive man. Take care of that first!!! Care and respect yourself first, before anyone else. That includes your toxic mother!
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Wow. It sounds like she’s living in ancient times where women had to procreate or they were looked down upon. Perhaps let her know it’s the year 2021...women have choices now 😆
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NeedHelpWithMom Feb 2021
Exactly! No one has to marry or have babies if they don’t want to.

Especially with an abusive boyfriend!
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"Have one yourself if you want a baby!" /s would be my stock response. ;-)
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NeedHelpWithMom Feb 2021
HAHAHA 🤣

That would truly be a miracle!

I don’t think we need seniors being pregnant or having babies!

Oh my word! Just the thought of it freaks me out!

How about every woman’s fantasy of ‘THE MAN’ going through a pregnancy and child birth?

No doubt, we would have a smaller population!

Oh, and can anyone picture a man breastfeeding? 😂 LOL

Okay, I better shut up now! Heehee
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I agree with everyone's advice re your abusive boyfriend.

I am wondering about one other thing, though. Your profile says you take care of your mother. What do you do for her? Make sure you don't end up being the one who becomes her elder caregiver. She is bugging you now about children, but in the future she will be bugging you about many many more thing. Beware.

What are her plans for her future? Is she retired? Does she live by herself? What is her financial situation? 65 is NOT old (at all!), but since you wrote that you take care of her, I am wondering.
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several thoughts here - 1) if your boyfriend is abusive - it will only get worse the longer you are together - don't accept anyone treating you this way. My sister lived for years with a boyfriend that was controlling and verbally abusive. She thought he would change. After ten years of living together - she thought he would change. Nope. Two years later they had a child - she thought he would change. Not only did he not change - he got worse. He said that since he was the MAN of the house - he should earn the money and she should quit her job and stay home full time with the child. Now she has moved out of a vibrant city to a small rural town of under 500, homeschooling her 8 year old, and we never see her. This was a woman who traveled the world and had a masters degree.

2) re your mom - you do not have to get her to change her mind - she won't, that is her problem, not yours. Do not get into a discussion about this. "mom, we've talked about this already, i'm not going there any more" if she insists - you leave or hang up "sorry mom, love you, but gotta go" eventually she'll get the idea that she can't bring this up with you. Boundaries are for you. She doesn't have to agree or approve of your decisions. You have the right to not discuss this.

It sounds like you need to stand up for yourself politely and more often. It took counseling to help me - am i glad i did!
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First of all, stop trying to justify why you don't want to have kids. You're a 33 old grown woman. Do you pay your own bills and provide for yourself? Then you don't owe anyone, not even your mother, an explanation for how you live your life. So you stop making excuses for why you're not having a baby. It's not about your man having bi-polar, but if there's problems in your relationship having a child together will not improve the situation. It will make it worse. You say he's abusive to you at times. If he's abusive to you AT ANY TIME, you should not be in a relationship with him. You don't want to have kids, and there's nothing wrong with that. There are many couples who enjoy long and happy marriages because they didn't have kids. Everyone doesn't have to reproduce. Certainly my parents should not have had kids.
Your mom calling to talk about the preacher's sermon on women and reproduction was not her not being "stubborn". It's being rude, disrespectful, and cruel. Please stand up for yourself to your mother.
Is your brother your only sibling? If he is then the next time mom gets on you about having a baby because she wants many grandkids, tell her that she should have thought of that when she was still in her child-bearing years. It was her responsibility to make sure there was a baby in the cradle every year like devout, old-school Catholics. If she did this when she was young and had a dozen kids then she'd have a whole bunch of grandkids now.
She didn't do that though. It's not up to you to fulfill her wishes of having babies around.
There's a volunteer program that's sort of like Big Brothers Big Sisters of America, except it's for kids who don't have grandparents. Someone like your mom would probably be great for some kid who needs a grandma.
So, you live your life as you wish and by your rules. Good luck.
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NeedHelpWithMom Feb 2021
BC,

My mom knew a woman who had 17 kids!

One day a neighbor was saying that he saw her drinking in a bar.

My mom told this gossiping neighbor, “Well, I am not going to comment on her behavior, because if I had 17 kids I might be sitting on a bar stool drinking too!” 😆 LOL

I giggled so hard when mom told me about this incident because my mom doesn’t drink but she completely understood that life with 17 kids would be enough to drive ANYONE to drink!!!

Remember the crazy reality show, 19 kids and counting? It was something like that. I never watched it. I remember seeing the commercials for it.

Or the crazy woman they called octomom.

If a person wants a bunch of kids, it’s their business. More power to them but I hope they can afford all of them and have nannies! No one can spread themselves that thinly.

Plus, no one should expect others to have a bazillion babies.

As far as religion goes, the “church” isn’t going to raise those kids! Parents have the responsibility to do it and it’s a tough job!

I adore my kids. I do not have grandchildren. I would never expect my daughters to have kids so I could have a grandchild. That is not a good reason to have a child.

People are crazy! Out the box. CRAZY! 😝

Nothing shocks me anymore.
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Right after I got out of Grad school and secured a job, the first thing my grandmother insisted on was that I marry and had as many children as possible as quickly as possible. She would not let it go. We had about 4-5 serious discussions about me becoming a parent. She persisted till I finally looked her dead in the face and said. “I don’t want children, drop it, don’t bring it up again, if you bring up the topic again, I will get up, walk out and never visit you again”.  She burst into tears I then said ”I’m not sorry for hurting your feelings, but what I am sorry about is that you feel that in order for me to be acceptable in your eyes I have to have children”. She never brought up the topic with me again.  Sometimes you just have to be blunt till it sinks in.
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Sounds like you need boundaries. Next time this comes up, calmly and slowly explain to your mother, I do not want children, this is not your business, and I don’t want to talk about it anymore. If you bring it up again I will leave. The next time it comes up, say got to go mom and out the door you go, no further discussion required. Repeat as often as necessary.

And while you’re at it, please find a new boyfriend.
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In all the years I have gone to Church, I never heard a Minister preach on reproduction and praying for barren women. That is such an intimate subject. It is between a husband and a wife. Yes, it should be discussed before marriage but again between the engaged couple. I feel for those woman in his congregation who would have loved to have a child and couldn't.
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LLRProctor Feb 2021
A minister wouldn't do such a thing, but a Catholic Priest would, has and does regularly. He uses, Be fruitful and multiply, Way too much.
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It's your life and a very personal decision. Not everyone has the desire to be parents. When your mom starts this conversation excuse yourself and leave or get off the phone. Eventually she may get it. Tell her you are praying about it and maybe that will shut her up.
Agree with text below, dump the boyfriend. He is not good for you either. Do not settle or wait for the worst to happen.
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Tell Mom you have to go one step at a time -- you haven't found a father yet.
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Could it be that your mother is of the old mentallity that all good women are not complete until they have experienced motherhood? Mine was. I didnt have a child until I was 38-I know, RISKY. My two sisters never married or had children. They didn't want to.

We had to have a "Coming to Jesus" talk with mom. Explaining that I didn't HEAR the biological clock ticking. Sister 1 wanted a career and travel. Sister 2 simply didn't want children. Then point out that SHE had HER choice, leave me have mine. You need to point out the hurtful things, the selfish way she is acting and the dissapointment you feel because you are not HER baby factory. She'll get it. PS You will have to repeat this speech to her again, and again, and.....
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