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Are you sure the purchase was not for your mother? I normally always use my mother's card for Amazon purchases that are for her. Gloves, incontinence pads, UTI test strips, lotions, etc. If the purchase is for me, I use my own card. All of these are done on my personal account. Guess the best way to approach her, is to just ask her about it.
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Other end of the spectrum here; You mentioned "elder abuse;" If she is accused of this, by you; First, she will be terminated by the agency. 2. She will be charged, by law enforcement, with elder abuse. 3. She will be arrested, placed in handcuffs, and she will be put in a cell, in jail. 4. A bond will be set, by a judge. She can not get out of jail, until that bond is in place. An attorney will have to be got, by her. She is responsible for all attorney fees, which is through the roof. Once all this is done, she WILL NEVER be able to be a caregiver again. Almost impossible to get a job, doing anything. All for a 28$ charge. Why can you not just talk with her, find out the "why" of this? Make it crystal clear this will not be tolerated. I was falsely accused of a theft, went through all this; It wound up costing me over FIFTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS, - the client herself had sold the item, didn't want daughter to know. Although not guilty, no agency will hire me, because I have an inquiry on background report. Law enforcement does not cover the outcome of this, in their final report I am "blackballed" forever, because my client didn't confess, till it was done. Said it was her stuff. I'm out all that money, defending myself, because she wanted 50$ in her pocketbook. REMORSE? NO. Not even an apology. Think of the outcome, before getting to the start of accusing anyone, of anything.
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XenaJada Dec 2019
I DETEST thievery, but I absolutely would not want to put someone through all that you went through over a $28 theft.

I too have been accused multiple times by an aunt (slight dementia and lifelong paranoia). She CONSTANTLY misplaces her things and then accuses the most recent person who visited her of stealing the item. And when she finds the "stolen item" (she always does), there is NEVER an acknowledgement or apology. Ever.

I have helped her so many times, taking my entire day to get her to the doctor and grocery store, only to have her turn on me like a pitt bull. Her most favorite item to lose and accuse is a strand of pearls.

She is currently in Assisted Living. I have watched her anytime we are leaving her room to go somewhere. This look of paranoia suddenly comes over her face and she starts "grabbing and hiding" things of value. I watched her grab her credit card and hide it in the covers on her unmade bed and tuck her watch into a stack of dirty clothes, etc. I immediately stopped her and made her put those items in her purse. Later when we got into the car, she started screaming that "she could not find her credit card and that she must have dropped it in the hallway and surely someone will take it and go shopping!" A few minutes later she found it in the bottom of her purse! She constantly loses her CC or leaves it on the counter at the grocery store.

I'm so sorry you went through your ordeal. I do hope your accuser received a good cursing out or a nasty letter.
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What happens someday if this lady has to go onto Medicaid? That transaction will get looked at!
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worriedinCali Dec 2019
Oh come on! It’s a $28 credit card charge. Medicaid won’t be looking at old credit card statements.
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Amazon could be at fault here. I have a smartphone and if i buy something regularly, it sometimes stores my payment information. Even though my cell phone company pays my Amazon prime membership, I still get stuck with a membership charge. Amazon pulls my payment info for automated processing. I've authorized this in the past and left it on. Ive had to remember to turn off the automated processing, file a dispute, contact customer service for Amazon and my credit card; nevertheless, Im still getting charged even after all that since I ordered something else.

Clearly, the lady has access to your mom's credit cards but does she use them for legit purchases (think grocery order online for pick up)? There's a possibility this was not done with intent. When someone turns on 1-click purchasing, there is room for error.

I'd say she deserves the benefit of the doubt.
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How did she get her hands on the credit card??? She shouldn't have access to it. No money at all. Not to any person. Keep temptation out of it. She can call you, and you deal with whatever needs to be paid. Or a card with preloaded money. That way only a small amount could be taken. You can even order food thru Walmart and pay for the order,and she pick it up at a scheduled time. No money involved.
She will probably say that your mom told her to get a little something for herself. Or to order it for your mom. I dont buy that. An honest person would say wait till I run it by your daughter before purchasing anything on a card that doesnt belong to me. I would bc I wouldnt want to be brought up on theft charges. Or what if your mom forgot about telling her to get something for herself on the card. Common sense says do it BEFORE the purchase. I would assume automatically it wouldnt be ok. I'd pick up the phone and tell you. Never just do it. Or if it was a gift for you, say your mom wants me to get you a gift on that card. And the price. Is that ok? That is her job and livelihood. You dont mess with that for something that can be misunderstood. You want things above board always. Or you wont have a job. Why didnt she do that? She talks to you and your in the loop.

When you have people in your mom's house, you strip it down to the bare minimum. I've seen where they even take the good pots and pans, and leave crappy ones so they wont be stolen. Nothing of value to take. Even the furniture was old and too big to take. Stripped down to minimum. But the elderly person was still comfortable. You must do that. Not say the tchotchkes can be sacrificed. That person would take those, and move onto other things bc they got away with it.

Id say do you have anything to tell me? Then be quiet. Let her talk her way out. Proceed from there. Even if your mom said buy yourself something, I would let you know and or the agency. That's common sense. Then all 3 can decide if that's appropriate. I wouldnt just do it. Never! To easy for a misunderstanding.

She can get fired for that at her agency, and brought up on charges for theft/stealing. She probably got the item or Amazon would have said they stopped it. It was probably in the mail. She can give it back to you so you can return it. Or decide why it was bought. You can say you will give her 1 more chance. I don't know, if it were me a thief is not trustworthy. You dont know what else she has done. I would always wonder. I'd get another person who is honest. If she did that to your mom, she would do it to anyone else's mom/loved one. Even if your mom said get yourself something, I wouldnt just do it. It tell you first so your not in the predicament you both are now in. The item wouldnt be worth it. That's her livelihood she is messing with. Weird part is she knows you see the bill. So still why do that? Seems odd. She could easily texted you a heads up.
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What did she buy?

My first thought would be - seeing as she's not stupid, she knows the routine, and she knows this is going to be spotted immediately - that she put the card on an Amazon account to buy something on your mother's behalf.

For heaven's sake, stop pussyfooting around behind her back and *ask* her about it. "Sue, I was just checking through mother's November account and saw this transaction on the [date] - what happened there please?" It's not even a rude question!

If it turns out that she is buying a little gift from your mother to herself, though, that is a problem. She mustn't do that. It must be returned.

The speeding fine was incurred while she was at work on your mother's business. I'd grumble about it and ask her to be more careful but I think you were right to pay it.
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I had a caregiver steal quite a bit from me. I reported it to the police and luckily I got much of it back but I still had thousands of dollars worth of items taken. Not to mention property damage that will not be replaced, most from stupid accidents.
It sounds like this person is getting a little too comfortable.
I would report the caregiver to the agency.
Before you do go through the house looking for little things that you may not think you are currently missing. Or your mothers things.
The agency should be aware of the speeding ticket as well and there is no way that you should have paid it and I hope it did not go on your record.
You may not be worried about a tchotchke but what if the "tchotchke" happens to be an antique Tiffany broach...The few groceries that she puts in the cart with your moms happens to be the Prime Rib roast for her Christmas dinner. Theft is theft it does not matter what it is it is still theft. The law may put a name to it depending on value up to Felony but it is still taking advantage of an elderly person and it should be reported. (I guess I am still angry at the person that stole from me, violated my trust, my home and while they were searching my home leaving my Husband alone and possibly putting him in danger)
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MammaMia900 Dec 2019
You have every right to be angry.
It'd deeply sad situation.
One must inventory and photograph everything in the house (even our old iron was taken -- for what reason????) And then ask the offending caregiver what's up.

Valuable items must be professionally evaluated for their estimated value.
Preferably removed from the home. Even if the elder doesn't want that, then you have to do it anyway.
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I had the same (worse) problem with my mom's caregiver: she took my mom's debit card out of her purse while she was in the hospital and rehab, and went to the ATM three times! Withdrew nearly $1000; also used the card to buy groceries, gas, even Starbucks. When I saw the withdrawals, I gave her a chance to explain, but clearly, I had to fire her.
Since the charge is so small, I'd ask your caregiver what it was for. Maybe your mom told her to buy something and she did it using her own account. Give her a chance to explain. But if her explanation is "the devil made me do it" as it was in my case, sadly, it'll be time to find a new caregiver.
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NeedHelpWithMom Dec 2019
So sorry that happened to you and your mom. No good excuse for it. Of course, you had to let her go. Hopefully she learned a lesson from it.
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Dont accuse her just ask her nonchalantly that you noticed an amazon purchase made with moms card. What were you guys buying? If she answers you respectfull and admits to using your moms card without permission. Tell her this is not cool and she cant be doing this w/o you knowing. Reiterate how much you appreciate her and will let it slide this time. Actions like this can jeopardize her future employment and dont let something so small affect the great work and reputation she's worked so hard to get.
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It may be “small” but it was the “action” of her doing it that bugs me! I would tell agency.
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I’d just tell her you noticed the charge , let her explain . Ask why she made it etc. How she reacts should help you see if there is more of a problem. But if she stole from your mother that’s not a reliable person.
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As poa, I review the online banking for an aunt to make sure her nursing home is paid. I noticed a debit for taco bell. The charge is the least of my worries but something to be dealt with. Stop the access to an account that needs only to be used for care needs.
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My coworker allowed a trusted agency worker to buy her mother’s groceries with her mom’s credit card. She noticed the charges were higher than normal so she took the reward card to the store so they could print out all purchases. She found caregiver was buying things for herself too. She contacted agency who refused to believe her. She contacted prosecutors office and was told the theft was too small to bother investigating
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NeedHelpWithMom Dec 2019
Yeah, it’s always best to check credit cards. Some people just pay them. A friend of mine kept getting weird charges on his bill. Payments for cellphones for a different company than he used, amazon deliveries, etc.

It ended up being an employee of a restaurant that he frequently visited for lunch. Was easy to track it because the fool had items shipped to his home address. The employee got fired and the charges were removed from his card.
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My own mother was very clear when we were children that we should not leave money or anything else of value accessible when the cleaner came. She was not well off, and we should not put temptation in her way. Any fault was shared.

If you think this might be the tip of a slightly bigger iceberg, leave some coins out in view and see if they disappear. If this was a ‘one-off’, perhaps you let it pass, or perhaps you ask her if there was any reason why she used the card. Perhaps she can’t access Amazon and worked extra hours to make up the cost. Still not the right thing to do, but not evil enough to end a relationship that works so well for you and your mother.
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Lol, people who “are not well off “aren’t necessarily tempted to steal . Theft is usually due to morals not need, ever hear of white color crime? Very narrow minded statement you made.
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looloo,
What a difficult situation.
Is it possible that your mother told her to use the card to buy the item, as a gift?
If so, it's a lapse in good judgement on the part of the caregiver, but not necessarily grift.
If that's not the case, it is my opinion that you should replace her before it snowballs.
My dad's caregiver stole his supplements out of the bottle, which was discovered after he went off care and she was gone. Not a big deal, but then what might've been taken next?
Good luck,
R27
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Bella7 Dec 2019
Since the caregiver and her text regularly it seems to me that she could’ve shot her a text and said, “hey this is what I’m going to do because your mother asked me too, what do you think? Is it ok?”

Still sounds fishy to me.
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Bye. Immediately. Sorry. I so feel for you and can relate to every single word you've said and I say that as the good daughter living under the same roof as my elder parents and having tried hired help.

This is how it all can work, earning your trust over time. I'm sorry, so sorry that the world sees caregiving as a low wage position. I work in an agency and I keep saying those who do (only) housekeeping are underpaid and it is hard to compete...we offer some benefits...but the hourly wage pales in comparison to some retail etc. And of course if the lower wage staff gets an increase so should the rest of us imo.

Anyhow, she has grossly violated things and I am totally appalled that she dared to enter your or your mother's credit card info on her own Amazon account. That is FRAUD. She could be reported to the police for stealing and taken to court. I don't care if it was a $3 transaction. She may be testing to see if you would notice. IT IS NOT OKAY. It is even worse with you being at a distance. What will she forge next? Checks? Stealing totchkes? It doesn't matter. This is not a person you want in your home. You need to inform her agency and she needs to be terminated to go to the next unsuspecting soul. And by not reporting it, you will allow this or worse to potentially happen to others.

I'm so sorry, because I can see how dependent you are on her and getting rid of her will turn everything upside down and there will be a new person to get used to for both your mom and you. It's also btw not okay for her to get some groceries for herself. Of course if you did the ordering and had things delivered, she could still steal the groceries outright from the house.

And then we have the speeding...which isn't much over the limit I realize...but what is she doing when not in the complex? And you're entrusting her to take care of your mom...

I am reminded of the Chinese symbol for crisis I think it is ...it is part danger and part opportunity...wishing you and your mom all the best....
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Years ago I had some health issues and had to quit my permanent job. I decided to work for a temporary agency.

I think people become too friendly with others in a professional relationship. Clients will approach whomever the agency sends out. Most people don’t bother with communication through the agency.

I wasn’t told that I couldn’t speak to the clients. The agency I worked for did not tell the client not to have conversations with the temporary workers. It depends on how the contract is written.

I was told that they had to pay a fee to the agency if they decided to ask me to work for their company and I accepted their offer.

I worked for some companies for a very long time. They call the assignment, ‘indefinitely.’

Basically you work for them until they no longer need you. It isn’t like other assignments such as filling in for someone that left for a vacation.

I had quite a few companies come directly to me to ask if they could hire me. Let me say, some people are ethical and rule followers and others are not.

Some companies told me that they wanted to hire me for the position that I already doing and some companies offered me different positions with more pay because an employee had to leave due to complications with a pregnancy. All kinds of things happen.

Some people come out and say, “We like you. We want to hire you full time. We don’t want to pay the fee.” I quickly notified them that I had to have stopped employment with the agency for six months if I were to accept the job without them paying a fee.

Some people will say, “We know there is a fee and we are happy to pay it.” Some employees moonlight for clients. They are risking getting fired.

My response was always the same when approached, “I am flattered that you would like to hire me. I have enjoyed working for a temporary agency. I have been fortunate to stay busy without being tied down permanently. I cannot accept a full time position at this time.”

I explained that I was working for a temporary agency because I had to have time off for doctor appointments.” They were fine with me scheduling doctor appointments.

I never accepted permanent offers. I wasn’t interested in doing so. All kinds of situations occur with agencies. Sometimes people would send me on errands and I would use my car and my gas. Other times the person would insist I use their car.

Some clients would include me in lunch outings and pay for my lunch. Some included me for holiday gatherings at reception halls. I was surprised at some of the things.

I think the agency would really like to know if their employees are stealing. If I owned an agency I would want to know so I could address it.

I do appreciate that you have developed a relationship with her. I do appreciate that she has gone above and beyond but, you’ve hit a snag and somehow it must be dealt with.
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It’s hard because you came to rely on her. She knows your mom’s routine. You seem to be an easy going person that doesn’t sweat the small stuff.

My concern is has she done this before. Will she continue to do it? If she would continue to steal then you would be better off starting off fresh with a new caregiver. The agency can send out a replacement.
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I would be making a trip to moms house to see what is going on. It is so hard to read people on a text or phone call. Body language says so much more.

I would also read my contract with the agency and see what you agreed to do in situations like this. That is really how it needs to be handled, their administrative and employee responsibilities are why you use an agency. God forbid that something bigger happens and you haven't said anything about this situation, it makes it very difficult for the company that you have employed to provide caregivers.

We have a 3 strike rule for stupid mistakes, 1st is a verbal warning, 2nd is a written warning, 3rd is your final paycheck. You don't know what the company policy is with the agency, she may not get fired, but you can always ask and request a meeting with her, her supervisor and yourself, it doesn't have to be confrontational. But you really need to abide by the contract that was signed when you hired the agency.
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gdaughter Dec 2019
There is, imo, a difference between "stupid mistakes" and fraud/crime/stealing.
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I think what others have written already addresses my thoughts, but I have a few I'd like to share.

There's a possibility that you're not her only victim, but it's also a possibility that your mother may have given permission.  Have you and your mother discussed this, if it's possible, given Mom's mental state/dementia? 

Or was the item purchased at Amazon something that could possibly be a present or something your mother might want, or have asked your caregiver to buy for her?

There's also a possibility that her own circumstances have changed and she no longer has a viable credit card.  In that case, I would definitely ask more questions to find out what's going on.  

You mentioned something else that wasn't an issue, but did raise concern with me.  Since she's driving your mother's car, have you added her as an insured on the auto insurance?   If not, I would contact your insurance agent quickly, as if there were an accident and she's not a named insured, you or she could be facing some big bucks, if not legal issues.

You can approach the charge card issue gently, praising her for her work and emphasizing that you've been so pleases, but are now perplexed by the credit card incident.   Give her a chance to at least defend herself.  She's entitled to that.

In the meantime, have you contacted the agency and asked if these kinds of events have occurred with other families?
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Thank you to everyone here who posted. I really appreciate all of your perspectives. Here’s to a better week ahead!
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The paid CG is an employee, therefore the OP needs to go directly to the employer to make the complaint -- she should ask for an immediate replacement and in no way should be talking to her directly! I have employees. If one of them does something unprofessional with my client I want to know, I don't want the client to deal with it directly (and only) with my employee. Please stop giving this advice! The paid CG will NOT be honest with the OP. Let the agency do its work so that THEY aren't ultimately held responsible for anything illegal.
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People and circumstances change. Being reliable for 3 years doesn't mean her behavior hasn't changed. When I worked for the IRS I found a CPA who had embezzled $275k in 18 months from a company that had been her client for many years. She had developed a gambling problem. People and circumstances change. Call out the CG now and find out what changed.
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Bella7 Dec 2019
I’m too nice and naive too but less so cuz of how many times I’ve been bitten! Using someone else’s credit card, especially an elderly person, is totally not OK!! And why doesn’t she have her own credit card ? I would think that if you don’t have the money to buy it maybe you shouldn’t purchase it, especially on someone else’s card!! I see a big red flag here waving fast. If she doesn’t have a credit card, but she has an Amazon account, ( she must since she had delivery to her address ) she surely has a bank account listed for payments ?? Maybe she has no money in her account and that’s why she used your mom‘s card?! Grrr......

p.s. I think you are handling it very well, that is why you are here and getting everyone’s opinion, it is very hard to take care of our parents especially at a distance 👍😊
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Give an inch they take a mile!
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looloo Dec 2019
I try to be a little more optimistic about people in general, but I have to say that I have a history of being too nice, and am working on becoming more assertive and less tolerant of bad behavior. I’m not skilled at this though, and need to handle it well.
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Ms Madge,

I did not read profile when I responded. If OP’s mom has dementia then I feel like you do. Trust is important, especially when her mother isn’t going to be aware of everything. How do you know if she hasn’t stolen other things? She may continue to steal.

I’m curious about why you are so loyal to her. Other employees are trained to do the same job. She can be replaced.
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looloo Dec 2019
I wouldn’t call it loyalty-the situation with my mother has its own particular challenges, and has gone on for 10 years and counting now. The one stable element this entire time has been this caregiver. Did I also mention that she helped tremendously when it was time to put my mother’s elderly dog down? She really demonstrated all the qualities that you need, but don’t often find, in a caregiver. They are not a dime a dozen in my experience, and if we can move on from this, it would serve us both.
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I have overlooked minor instances with caregivers, but I'd be hard pressed to overlook misuse of a credit card

You could be sly and just let her know that you received an alert that your mom's card was compromised and see what she says -
this will likely tell you what you need to know without any confrontation and then you can decide whether to let her agency know and to replace her -
more importantly, it may be time to adjust how you handle your mom's finances - with dementia there comes a time to take away the check book and cards
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Just be direct. Say that you saw a charge in your mom’s card. Ask if the purchase was for your mom or did your mom give her permission.

Can you ask your mom if she told her that she was allowed to use her card? Does she use your mom’s card to play for things for your mom on a regular basis?

Do you know what the purchase was? Do you absolutely know it’s not something for your mom?

If she did not have permission then why would you trust her? She may keep stealing. You are generous with her. She should value having you as a client.

I walked in on someone who stole from me. I was disappointed too. It was her first day and last day in my home. My response to her was if she had asked for help I would have helped her but now I couldn’t trust her. I asked her not to return.

You have a different situation because she had been there for years. Do you know if she has stolen anything else?

Don’t be embarrassed to speak to her. You want an answer or explanation. Nothing to be embarrassed about. I understand that you like her but it’s a matter of trust.

It’s up to you to decide if you want to tell the agency. She could lose her job if you tell. I am sure the agency would want to know.
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1) she works for an agency so that is who you should contact & inform and let them deal with her. If she has a legitimate explanation, they will discuss it with you.
2) you say she knows you monitor your cc acct like a hawk. She would have made a point of ASKING to use the cc number prior to making a purchase for your mom.
3) she may have been testing you to see just how closely you monitor the cc acct. before she went on to purchase more with it.

My cousin was PoA for a relative who had a very beloved caregiver who cleaned him out without blinking an eye. Please inform the agency what she did and then do not feel "bad" about it.
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XenaJada Dec 2019
I can almost guarantee this CG was testing the waters to see how closely the account is monitored before going in for the BIG spend.

And who, in this day and time, does not have a CC of their own except someone who has had money issues or bad credit?!!!

Why the HECK was she not using her own CC for the purchase?

LW needs to find out what the purchased item was. If it was a box of Depends or something like that, then it could be legitimately thought to be a purchase for LW's mother. There needs to be some communication. LW needs to know WHAT the purchased item was.
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You need to speak to her at once. First of all do you know what this purchase was and are you sure she was not doing something at the behest of your Mom. You must ask her for an explanation. If the explanation is not a good one then there may be other problems afoot you are not aware of and that is worrisome, because as you said, it makes utterly ZERO sense to risk your job on this. Speak to her, sit her down face to face and simply ask for her explantions of purchase blah blah for blah blah amount on blah blah day. Watch what she says and that will tell you a lot.
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gdaughter Dec 2019
She's not near by :-(
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I have to agree with others saying you need to talk to her about it, both to make sure she knows you know and because so often the imagined circumstance is far worse than the actual facts. This is a person who has never done anything like this before as far as you know and has been working with your mom for 3 years? It seems far more likely to me that there is a simple explanation rather than a nefarious act, I hope so. You can take the simple straight forward approach, "is there a reason you used Mom's credit card to order something on Amazon?" or "Did you order something for Mom on Amazon?" or you could kind of soft pedal it a but more "I got a alert about Mom's cc being used on Amazon and since she doesn't have an account I automatically report it as fraud but then I noticed it was an order using your Amazon account. It was too late to back track but we could have avoided all of this if you had just let me know what Mom needed and asked if I wanted you to order through your account. I have to keep close track of Mom's expenditures so it's important you remember to consult me on these things."
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gdaughter Dec 2019
Do you know what the item purchased was, to know if it makes any sense that it would be for you??
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Maybe Mom allowed her to use the card and she was going to pay you back. Maybe you should ask if she has something to tell u. I agree, she must have known u would eventually see the charge. So, give her the benefit of the doubt.
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looloo Nov 2019
Possible, but not likely. But I will give her the benefit of the doubt, since it could maybe have been an accident.
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