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My best friend from High School had a stroke 10 months ago. He lost his job, then his home, and he ended up staying with a friend who ended up proving he was no friend at all. I moved him in with me and in that time my observations have left me believing that my friend needs more help than I can provide for him. I cared for my father for the last decade of his life and he had dementia along with other health issues so I have some experience. I also worked in a nursing home when I was attending seminary so that adds to my knowledge. My wife is also a professional health care worker.



My friends stroke was most likely the result of a 20 year meth addiction coupled with a very little physical activity and terrible eating habits. The stroke left him very weakened on the left side and he is a high risk fall candidate. He also has severe mental issues and in talking to his family he likely has undiagnosed ADHD going back to his youth. (His sister was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult and is sure that my friend has it as well.) I’m going to briefly outline some of my observations.



PHYSICAL:
Extreme mobility issues especially on the left side
Extreme fatigue with any physical exertion.
Extreme shortness of breath with any physical exertion.
Off balance- High Fall Risk
Found he was also diabetic when in hospital for his stroke.



MENTALLY:
A, Illogical decision making.
1) No follow up with cardiologist or neurologist after almost a year.
2) No physical therapy follow up since his release from hospital.
3) He went back to using meth upon his release from hospital.
4) Resistant to bathing and physical activity
5) Resistant to Substance Abuse /psychological/physical therapy.
6) Tells tall tales and dishonesty. He was going to lie to Dr and Counselor
7) He doesn’t monitor his diabetes
8) Unhealthy obsession with coke a cola. He drinks at least two liters daily.
9) Addicted to fast food.



i could go on….



I told my friend that in order to continue living with me he would have to do things that would improve his circumstances. Since then I’ve had to find him a Dr and schedule his appts. I had to call our local mental health center and make him an appt which he blew off so I had to make another one and had to take off work to make sure he went. They are still in the process of evaluating him and I hope that they’ll make the decision to keep him even if it’s involuntary.



Myself, my wife, and a mutual friend who helps us from time to time all agree that at the present he is unable to physically and mentally care for himself. I cannot continue physically or financially support him for much longer.



If the behavioral health people do not keep him then what options do I have besides kicking him out? He has burned all his bridges with his family and has no place to go. To kick him out could be a death sentence and besides I want to do for him what I would want done for me. Yet, I’m lost and unsure of what to do so any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Hoon, we have an expression here. "There will be no solution as long as YOU are the solution."

You are enabling an addict.

Go sign up with Al-Anon.

Evict your friend so he can get the help he needs.
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Hoon,

I am very sorry that you are in this situation.

My brother was an addict. He died with liver failure in 2013.

My brother became homeless. A stranger befriended him.

This man and my brother were as different as night and day, just like you and your old friend are.

The man was a retired military veteran, who helped homeless people.

The nurse at the hospice facility where my brother died told me that this gentleman brought several people to them for end of life care.

This compassionate man called me so that our family could say our goodbyes to him.

My brother was a great guy when he was clean but he wasn’t able to remain in recovery for very long.

No one can force a person to get help. Lord knows, I desperately tried to help my brother. It’s heartbreaking to watch someone we care about suffering.

I saw my brother lose a successful business, our family, a wife, kids, friends, everything that was meaningful to him. It broke my heart.

The best thing that I ever did for myself was to attend Narcotics Anonymous. It helps to speak with others in similar situations.

No one wakes up in the morning and says, “I want to become an addict today and destroy myself and others.”

Addiction is a disease. Some people respond to treatment and others for various reasons aren’t able to go into recovery.

Just know that you did everything that you could. Do not sacrifice your life for his. This isn’t your burden to carry.

Also know that enabling someone is never the right choice. Some people will hit rock bottom and find their way back up. Others like my brother die.

I choose to remember the good times that I had with him. There were a few times when he managed to stay clean for a while before relapsing.

I am no longer angry or confused. The anger turned to sadness.

We grieve for what could have been, then we heal.

Wishing you all the best.
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BurntCaregiver Mar 25, 2024
May your brother rest in peace, NHWM. I know how it is to have loved ones who are addicts and alcoholics and there's not a damn thing anyone can do to force recovery. Either they do it or they don't.
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Take him to Social Services. Explain to them that his health problems are more than you can take on. He needs help that you cannot give him. Maybe they will set him up somewhere temporarily. Call APS. Is there a homeless place near you, drop him off.

No good deed goes unpunished. As a Christian you are a target. You need to learn its OK to have boundaries. You may want to read Townsend and Clouds book "Boundaries" it is Christain based. There are usually other options before you need to move someone into ur home.

If he is still using in your home, very good reason to get him out.

My Mantra "I am here to help people find a way, not be the way"
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BurntCaregiver Mar 25, 2024
"I am here to help people find a way, not be the way".

I like this very much. Well said, JoAnn.
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Are you saying he is actively using while living with you? If so, you are enabling it.

Call social services for your county and ask a social worker what housing options he may have. Is he on SSDI? Medicaid? Look into Section 8 housing. No shelter will take someone who is not sober.

He is a hot mess that your well-meaning kindness cannot fix.

You can't want his recovery more than he does. You aren't responible for his happiness. You are delaying his recovery by helping him in inappropriate ways.

Help him find subsidized housing then move him out then never let him move back in and never give him another penny.

See if there's an Adult & Teen Challenge program in your area. They specialize in "hopeless" cases and has the highest success rate in the nation. Faith-based but you don't have to be a believer, just willing.
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You and your wife sound like very good people, but honestly you two have to toughen up or the world will eat you alive.

Now think of what you're allowing to go on under your roof.

Do you think you should have a stinking, freeloading drug addict? A lying, entitled low-life who contribues nothing to the good friends who take care of him and is nothing more than a burden on them and society as well. This so-called friend of yours doesn't have enough respect for you and your home to even wash up.

You say he's burned all his bridges with his family. I'm not surprised. These kinds of takers get to be too much. They use up their family because they refuse to ever except that they are the problem.

High school was a long time ago. You grew up and became an adult. Your friend did not. I had friends like this too. There are some friends you have to walk away from. This guy at your house is one of them.

If he's as bad off as you say, he will qualify for disability and will probably get accepted into a nursing home. From there a social worker will find him housing and services. Bring him to the hospital ER and leave him there, or drop him off at a homeless shelter.

I hope for your sake and your wife's that he never made your house his legal residence because you'll have to formally evict him if you did.
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You wanted to rescue your friend. Had good intentions.. but you cannot. You realise this now.

"To kick him out could be a death sentence."
Why?

You have taken on duty of care for your friend so you will now need to arrange his next place of living. He is not just a regular guest imho as you moved him in to care for him, knowing his list of health issues.

I'd look for a Social Worker or similar social service immediately.

What would have happened if the other friend & yourself didn't step in to help?

His discharge options would be;
1. Home alone & cope
2. Home alone & not cope. (Many change their mind about home help at that home or APS may get involved).
3. Rehab then LTC

Can you see that despite the good intentions, his friends have added another step. This kind of got in the way of that process.

PS Besides any other medical & social substance abuse history the man is now a Stroke Survivor.

Stroke is a Brain Injury.

Many people recover from strokes. Many do not. Many stroke survivors lack insight to their deficits.

Look up Anosognosia in the care topics. It may help you understand how this man may not *want* help or *think* he needs help - against his reality that he DOES need help.
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Hoon0926 Mar 26, 2024
Thank you B! Studied up on this and will be mentioning it to Dr because this fits my friend to a T.
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You're a wonderful friend, and I admire you for wanting to help this person who has meant a lot to your in the past. We see lots of good suggestions here, and the insight that people have offered is invaluable. I hope for the best for your friend and for you.

Since you are a pastor, you must believe in an afterlife where things are better than they are here, right? And salvation, and eternity with Our Heavenly Father, and being forgiven for our sins? I am curious (because I don't know the answer) - why wouldn't it be better to allow your friend to play out his life as he wishes and go to that wonderful place where at last he will be at peace? Why (do we all) fight to keep them here when they get to the point where your friend is? How hard do we have to fight? I'm asking as one who lost family members and friends to alcoholism and will surely be losing more in the future.

I'm not asking in a confrontational way but because as a Christian, I do want to know what our faith requires. My Jewish friend since childhood has advised me of the Talmud teaching that if someone is sinking, we have to throw a life preserver, but we don't have to go down with their ship. I've used that a few times.
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Listen to your Jewish friend because they're spot on. L'chaim!
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You cannot care more about this friend than he does about himself, and that's the truth. Nobody, including you, wants to house him anymore because he spent his life serving drugs and now his physical and mental health are suffering the consequences. Why should you?

I have a friend who's husband is 56. He drank a lot over the years, took a lot of anti depressants in conjunction with Xanax multiple times per day, for decades. Oh but they were PRESCRIPTION drugs, some may say. Combined with booze and the sheer volume he took to relax, his brain is now fried. To a crisp. He has disease in all lobes of his brain. Cannot walk or speak coherently. No formal dx can be given for him either. Now his wife is the only breadwinner in the house and they have to give up their lifestyle and she's lost her husband, basically.

Nobody can compete with drugs and alcohol or prescription drug abuse. It's not just meth addicts that screw up their lives, either. It's not our jobs as friends to rescue these people once they've hit rock bottom.

Your friend should qualify for Skilled Nursing care with Medicaid. Ask social services to help you, and refuse to take him back into your home if the facility wants to discharge him. That may be doing you both a favor.

Best of luck to you.
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Debmiller Mar 25, 2024
I strongly agree with lealonnie1's advice to you.

You can support your friend securing Medi aid and feel good about setting him up for the care he needs in skilled nursing to "improve his circumstances."

There is no trajectory for improvement in his situation unless he gets professional help with stoke and addiction. Both will require a treatment plan and accountability for the choices he makes going forward.
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Oh no, not meth. I hate all drugs, but losing my sister at 45 to meth addiction, this one hits home really hard. All I can say is please do not house a drug addict. It is a dangerous situation for you if he is prone to relapse and you really do not want to get the law involved. Is there any way your friend could be accepted into sober living or a halfway home? Meth is a horrible drug that physical and emotional damage.

I hope you don't mind a personal story. My sis was a meth addict for about five years. During that time she stole money and belongings. She hid out with her son (also a drug addict) in our storage shed and sold off many things belonging to my mother and I. She lied about her then 11 year old daughter not having food even when we offered to buy it and then she cussed and raved about us not trusting her (of course, she was a meth addict!) Dangerous people will float around meth addicts including their dealer. It's amazing my nephew is alive as he stole guns and then he was shot at. It missed vital organs by inches. Most meth addicts will eat nothing but sugar as they crash for days after being up for days leading to "meth mouth" from the drug and poor diet. Meth also causes delusions and paranoia. My sister would pick her skin raw on her hands and face from invisible bugs.

The kindest thing is not to support them at all. Tough love really hurts and watching someone literally waste away tears at you, I know. However, you do not want to be on the wrong side of drug addiction as it only leads to problems. Meth addicts typically need a lot to make rehab stick and they really need to be with people who can supervise them on a daily basis. You are right that they can't take care of themselves, the drugs have done major damage to their brains that takes time to recover.

My sister wound up getting lung cancer (she was a heavy smoker as well) at age 45. She left her daughter and lived with two different drug users. My nephew was her dealer for a while. Anyway, she died at the hospital because she refused to get cancer treatment and would have rather had the drugs.
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I'm so sorry for the loss of your sister and what you and your family went through.
I lost my brother because of drugs and I lost my first marriage to my husband's alcoholism.

Can't tell you how many times I've heard the "You don't trust me?" addict argument. No, I don't. All addicts lie and all addicts steal. Even the rich ones like the late Matthew Perry from 'Friends'. That guy had all the money in the world and still was robbing people's medicine cabinets looking for prescriptions.

Even when people get recovery and are straight and sober for years and years, the damage is already done to their body.

It always makes me sad when I hear that the addition wins again.
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I would walk away.
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