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I have no idea on what to do my mother is hearing full on conversations that I can't hear, and she says it is because the neighbors programed the AI for just her to hear them. On New Year’s Day I was woken up at 5am in the morning with police in the house wanting to ask me questions. My mother called the police and told them the neighbors drilled under the house to put spy cameras in the vents and used the video to make porn. None of which was true and they told me to get her to a doctor. My mother will not go to a doctor because she thinks it's all real. My mother woke me up at 3am she was outside said the house fell off the foundation and we have a crack in the roof. I had a foundation company look at the house nothing wrong with the house then she said I wonder why the neighbor lied to me then. The neighbor’s never even spoke to her it's all in her head. Then she said she had to turn the gas office in the house because the people in the furnace told the house was going to explode then she told me to look outside they were out there fixing it now. There was nobody outside we had freezing rain that night and I needed the heat back on before we had a bigger problem. How does someone out of their mind know how to shut the gas off? Today she saying we have hole in the foundation and it's a mess so she going to call a lawyer and sue the neighbors. The neighbors have done nothing to the house. I don’t know what to do.

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Get her out of your home whatever way you can! She has psychiatric issues and could blow up or burn down your house!
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It's actually her house I moved in with her when my dad passed away because she was a mess and didn't want to be alone. She always been stubborn, but this is whole new level. Since she owns the house, I don't think I can throw her out. It's so complicated.
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Is this dementia or something else? The police told they thought she was sun downing but she also sun downing all day too. She doesn't sleep much in the day or night. It's nuts.
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You have to find some way to get her to a doctor. Tell her to keep her Medicare they require her to see her Dr 1x a year.

The police have warned you. Next time they come because she called ask them to Baker act her. That your afraid she hurt herself or do something like burning down the house. She will be evaluated for 72 hrs. If they think she is psychotic tell them she cannot return home until she is properly medicated. You cannot care for her as long as she is like this.
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Marlo1234 Jan 25, 2024
yep. And I've told her if she calls the police again, I'm like you know they are going make you go to the hospital she said that because they are all Woke. I have felt I'm going to have to call 911 but this make me feel better about the decision. Thank you
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If this is sudden onset of delusion it could be from a UTI. Get her to the Doctor even if it means tricking her or sending her to the ER.
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Marlo1234 Jan 25, 2024
Thank you. I was hoping for another way but there isn't one. Much thanks.
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We were fortunate, when my MIL ran outside her home screaming that there were strangers inside her home who wouldn't leave, the neighbors called the police and the police took her to the ER and she was transferred to a geriatric psych unit for evaluation. The full medical and psych evaluation revealed her vascular dementia along with her schizophrenia.

Medical evaluation in hand, my husband applied for guardianship over both of his parents (father was already in a nursing home with dementia).

We had been unable to do anything to make his mother safe until we had the evaluation in hand as she refused to cooperate. Good luck
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Marlo1234 Jan 25, 2024
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Ok so based on what you wrote she has had a UTI and more than one. Was seen at Urgi Care twice last month, right?
So it’s probably lingering as making matters worse. But the bigger issue is that she will not allow you to take her to the hospital or see a doc or go to the ER so that she can be evaluated and get on whatever meds she needs to get her stabilized and really get that UTI cleared up. My guess is more than a UTI now, maybe C Deff. If so try to get her hospitalized for treatment as she’s not likely ever going to be compliant for care at home so all this will be rinse & repeat. Plus it will give you time to get some rest so you can think clearly as you’ll need to make some hard decisions in the near future.

JoAnn is spot on that the easiest is to get her Baker Act to get her on the hold that it provides. Use all of what you’ve posted here for the bullet points you need to described her behavior to get the Baker done, she is a danger to herself and you and kinda the neighborhood too. Right now her paranoias are all fixated on the neighborhs but if she changes it over to you it’s going to get super scary. You want to get her help before this ever happens.

Let us know how it goes. Please try to get some real sleep too.
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Marlo1234 Jan 25, 2024
Thank you so much for the reply I was feeling a bit lost and not sure what to do but I've got some good info and most likely I think I'm call 911. I never thought I even be in this position. Life is beautiful and terrible and so hard. I appreciate the response. thank you
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just read your bio. Totally agree with Igloo and JoAnn.

Video her with your phone if you can so you can show her what she was saying and doing. She will most likely call the cops again. Notice that she’s very sure of her beliefs. Don’t waste time arguing.

If she returns to a competent state you should have her sign power of attorney paperwork so you can take care of things should this recur.
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Marlo1234 Jan 25, 2024
Thank you so much for the reply and I'm try get some recording on my phone and I think I'm going have to muster up the courage to call 911. I just don't see any way around it. Thank You
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Take the lead here.

Since Mom won't GO to seek medical advice, bring the medical advice to her.

Have you called her Doctor?
What did they advise?
Or a helpline?
Have you tried 911?

Explained, older lady, dellusional, hallucinating, past history UTI. Suspected UTI & needs medical investigation/treatment.

For people too mentally unwell to realise they are unwell & require urgent care, Baker Act can be used.
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Marlo1234 Jan 25, 2024
Thank You. I just looked up Baker Act and I didn't know about and thank so much for the info. My mother's Dr. retired, and she has an appointment with new pcp in April but refuses to go any sooner. So, looks like most likely am going to have to make a 911 call and ask them if we can use Baker Act to get her evaluated.
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I'm going to agree - at this point...C-Diff after treating the recurring UTIs is a definite possibility.

My FIL's hallucinations got so much worse when he got C-Diff. He was already in a SNF but he called DH and we had to talk him down several times until he felt safe because he thought he was trapped in a church basement, he thought he was at a party in the woods, he thought that the CNAs and nurses were locking him in his room (he had a new roommate and the curtain was pulled for the first time, so he couldn't see the door). But he was SCREAMING at us and wanting to know if we were in the parking lot coming to help him. It was really very sad and we had to call the nurses station at a couple of points to have him sedated.

This was before anyone realized he even had C-Diff because there were no signs - he was just being treated for the UTI and he was quite literally a danger to himself because he kept trying to get out of the bed to run away and kept falling because he didn't remember he couldn't walk. They lowered his bed and had to give him something to calm him down.

C-Diff can hang around for a long time - especially untreated. And even treated it takes a while to get out of your system - and can recur.

Before you jump to dementia - she definitely needs to be assessed for a UTI or C-diff - but unfortunately she may end up having to be admitted against her will to get that diagnosis if she won't go willingly because she is a danger to herself at this point.
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Marlo1234 Jan 25, 2024
Thank you so much for responding this just a lonely place to be in with no family and I thank you so much for the information. Considering she has had diarrhea as well it could be C-diff. My mother accusing me of giving her an ulcer but she been blaming me for giving her ulcer since I was a child, she never been diagnosed with one so safe to say she is making that up too. She always been difficult and narcissistic but this really a whole new level of crazy I wasn't expecting.
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Try 911. She needs to be checked out at the hospital . Could be a lot of things besides a UTI .
When my sister was having hallucinations and delusions it ended up being pneumonia , sepsis, and metabolic encephalopathy .
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The next time you have to call 911 you ask for transport to the hospital.
The next time you make a trip to the ER for a UTI or for ANY reason she lands in the hospital you talk to the Social Worker or the Dr. or PA that is assigned and tell them what is going on and that she needs to be evaluated that "SHE IS NOT SAFE AT HOME" and honestly YOU are not safe in the house with her if she is able to shut off the gas or possibly do other dangerous things.
She needs to be evaluated and proper medication needs to be prescribed.
She can not be comfortable with the delusions and possible hallucinations she is having.
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I agree with Grandma that it's time to get mom to a care assessment whether it is somewhat "forced" or not.
You should call 911 and ask for transport to hospital. Do not say this has been happening for a while, but rather say that your mother is hallucinating and you are scared to death she has sustained stroke or other blow to her head from fall, etc. That she needs assessment and doesn't understand she does, and will not allow you to get her to the ER.
The word "stroke" to EMS means they must act QUICKLY to get someone assessed, and so you may want to elaborate on some garbling of speech, whatever it takes to get them to take her to the ER. The more irrational SHE is with them, the better, the more likelihood they will get her in to be assessed.
Once at the ER you need to get everyone on board for a good neuro-psych evaluation and all the testing. Access Social Services as soon as possible.
This has been going on for a while from what you say. This could be untreated infection, but it sounds more like dementia to me, and Mom needs a baseline assessment now. Things cannot go on in this manner.

If none of this works, that is to say, if EMS believes your Mom and refuses to transport her it is time to call APS and tell them what is happening, and that you are incapable of getting your mother to care.

I sure wish you luck. You must be feeling so helpless. Do update us as to whether or not you get your Mom to assessment.
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igloo572 Jan 26, 2024
Alva, I was thinking of using the “it looks like she has had a TIA aka transient ischemic attack” instead of a stroke because TIAs are fleeting and strokes - in my understanding on them - should flatten them out. As an RN would you say that’s accurate?
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Better check to make sure her home insurance is up-to-date. In case she succeeds in burning it down, you’d need the insurance money in order to take care of her.

Find out if the home is destroyed, doe the insurance only pay for rebuilding, or can you just get the money? Some people in Florida were blindsided when they found out they had to rebuild after hurricanes because that’s the way their insurance reimbursed them.
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igloo572 Jan 26, 2024
Ohhhh Fawnby if you want tales of insurance woe check in with me or NeedHelpWMom as we & our families & friends have dealt with poststorm Louisiana insurance claims. The lingering bad part is after every big storm there is the inevitable cyclical insurance industry exit from the State afterwards. Right now it is absolutely the worst it ever has been for homeowners in New Orleans proper and really anywhere coastal. I am not exaggerating that folks who maybe had 4K peril premium costs now facing 15K++ and if that roof is over 10 years old not getting coverage. So you end up having to go to the State supported insurer of last resort: Citizens & at whatever premium they want to place. If you have a mortgage you have to have full on replacement costs or above for the 3 types (flood, windstorm & homeowners).

How folks get around this is: If you’re well off, you have no mortgage and self insure. Or it’s owned by a LLC that has the ability to self insure. But for average folks, totally screwed unless you keep the homes assessor value low enough to be able to get total coverage by NFIP for flood or State Wind Pool for Windstorm. Only bright light in this is FL insurance crisis is way worse as they have so much more exposure.

On the have to rebuild, yes that is how policy’s are done…. older retired friends of ours when Katrina hit the coast had pretty snazzy primary home. House 800K+ completely gone, pier & bulkhead completely gone, 200K sailboat gone. So over 1M claim. Really good specialty coverage & paid out less depreciation without too much sass which was a rarity for Katrina claim. Right after Katrina, went & bought a condo over in Fairhope (couple hrs away) as an interim place till things settled down & could take their time 2 rebuild as infrastructure was wiped out. About a yr later got a demand letter from insurer for over half a million $ as they had not complied with terms of their policy on rebuilding. LSS condo was too modest in cost & no boat! Lawyers hired & after much back & forth they ended up having to buy another condo and a boat and actually go above the balance of the insurance payout in order to keep the $. Had to get all sorts of letters from county & Fema as to why bulkhead and pier could not yet be rebuilt to keep that payout. These folks had time & $ & resources to do all this. But most stuck in the aftermath of a disaster do not. Dealing with post Katrina stuff was a real touchstone for me…… it was dealing with all types of insurance and real estate issues plus a little bit of everything “at need” either for me or my fam or my MiL. I kept a diary for 2 years. It’s pretty crazy rereading.
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Agree call 911 and get transport. She may have dementia, psychiatric break or something in her medications is doing it. A drug they gave my mom caused hallucinations. Removed drug. Back to normal.
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You can tell her this and that, you can argue and make all sorts of threats and promises, but none of it will do any good. She's a mental case. The best thing for you to realize would be that she's beyond understanding any points you make. Save your breath.

I hope you can use the Baker Act. Good luck to you in this dreadful situation.
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The majority of the time I've dealt with hallucinations and delusions it was caused by UTI or sleep deprivation from sun downing. Or a combo of both. You could try to explain that she might just need an antibiotic.
If you are the POA, just take her or call an ambulance to take her if it gets out of hand. It's tough love but sometimes it can get physical if the hallucinations are too bad.
If this is just due to alzheimers or cognitive decline, and not from an infection, my best advice is to NOT try to correct everything they're saying. It only causes more stress and frustration for them. I took care of a man who consistently hallucinated that he was playing baseball, basketball, or working on the farm. So instead of telling him that we weren't doing those things I'd ask him who was winning.
Also, there is a pressure point on the butt of your palm about halfway between your thumb and wrist that when massaged, will calm a person down at least a couple notches pretty quick. I would say, oh your hands look a little dry, I'll rub some lotion on. He'd be fast asleep in under 2 minutes. Hope this helps and good luck.
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After reading the other responses, I would guess it's a complicated uti that's not responsive to ordinary antibiotics before I'd jump to c diff. Make sure the bathroom is being sanitized and that hands are clean after using it bc those are contagious.
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If you get the vibe that Baker Act won’t work, an option might - just might be….. call EMS as it looks like “mom may have had a TIA aka a transient ischemic attack”.

TIAs are used often by a NH or a MC or a AL when they have a resident that they want to get rid of as TIAs are real real subjective as to how they “present” or look. So the usual take will be is they seem to be not connecting their words, or there’s seems to be a sense of vacantness about them, or their movement seems weird. And TIAs can be real fleeting, so they can pass quickly. Perhaps some of the RNs on this site can chime in on TIAs???

But TIAs can be viewed as a precursor to a stroke so should be seen by health care provider in appropriate setting and presto! that means mom needs to go to the ER or ED and get seen there so then once she’s there, you tell them all about the other issues….. multiple UTIs and her very much noncompliance for treatment on those UTIs so she gets admitted as a patient (not observation but a full on patient in the hospital) and once she’s admitted you then refuse to take her home as it WOULD BE AN UnSAfE DISCHARGE as you cannot provide the care and oversight needed for her. What all this does is buys you time to get a clear picture of just wtf is wrong with her and hopefully get her on proper meds. If she’s C diff, push to have her hospitalized for that treatment as could be couole of weeks & yes Medicare will pay. Plus gives her behavioral drugs time to get going in her bloodstream & brain for the win!

if mom has one of her psychotic episodes while in the ER, let her. That she goes there’s aliens under my bed, let it roll. You want her hospitalized.

once this is somewhat settled - whether it’s she’s going to be in a behavioral unit for a period of time or sent over to rehab or she’s after a couple of weeks sent home on mood stabilization drugs - then you can start to deal with her financials and property ownership issues and what that could mean for your own future financial stability. That’s to me more of a springtime thing. Realistically until she stops being batcrap crazy nothing can be done on that front. She really can’t sign stuff right now as not competent and cognitive or appear to be even if she would be pleasant and willing to sit at a bank to do what needed totally solo in a bank officers office. Fwiw imho if she sadly is going to stay crazy, then the path is guardianship and you’re going to need all these recent hospitalization records to establish need for guardianship. Getting her onto hospital records and in detail mucho importante, you see where I’m going in this, right?

also please pls do get yourself some real sleep. You have to be able to think clearly and answer questions clearly. Let us know how things go. Many of us on this site have been where you are.
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"My mother won't go to a doctor because she thinks it's all real".

These are your words not anyone else's. What does that say to you about what condition your mother is in mentally?

It says to me that she's not in her right mind. For whatever the reason is, dementia, a UTI, a TIA.... there's no way of finding out unless she goes to a hospital.

If you have to have her transported against her will, do that. I'm surprised the police didn't do that when she called them at 5 in the morning about the spy cameras filming her.

It may turn out to be something that can be treated with medication like a UTI or a staph infection (they wreck havoc on a senior's mental state too). It could be Alzheimer's or some other form of dementia. Does she have a history of mental illness? It sounds like she might.

It may be time to consider placing her in a care facility.
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Try a psychiatrist ; NOT a psychologist as the psychiatrist can prescribe meds. The office may not look like other medical offices. You could ask her to come with you to talk to a professional regarding the condition of your house. If she thinks she’s going to see a lawyer, maybe the doctor could make an assessment regarding her condition. I hope you are her POA. Best of luck.
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Get her to a doctor ASAP. At the very least, they have home UTI test strips at Walgreens, or any pharmacy that if you can get her to test herself, she might be convinced.
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Can you get a dr to go to her house? I was able to get one for my mom but didn’t even realize this was a thing - that drs even did anymore-until she was very advanced in dementia. Before that, I drove her to her appointments which was very difficult because getting her to the car was difficult on multiple levels. It was beyond stressful. I did that for years until I found out I didn’t have to. I still did for multiple specialists appts but this helped me a lot. He kept being her Dr when she was eventually on hospice as well. It was covered by her Medicare. I did have her poa.and she lived w me at the time. I also live in a bigger city so don’t know if this is everywhere. I wish I had known that some drs still make house calls before this. You could do a virtual one as well but I am fairly sure they will want blood work and a urine sample. Is there a dept of aging you can call for advice or call the Alzheimers assoc or organization- i forget but their are two large Alzheimers foundations and at least one answers phones 24/7. Not saying she has Alzheimer’s - could be a uti or something else but since the symptoms mimic some of those, I’d call them for advice.
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We are headed into the second month of this with my mom. She says pretty much the same things as your mom. Today she called me to tell me that the neighbors came in and kept her up for about three hours making loud noises and talking with her. She is in a care home and her neighbor from her old neighborhood has been dead four years. She is demanding a phone to call the FBI as the police are "in on it." We did two IVCs when she seemed violent and she told me today she is going to run away, demands a phone and is scared. She is on a bi-polar med after going off of a Schizophrenia med that didn't seem to be helping. Her memory is solid, which is harder for staff to deal with her. She has seen multiple psychiatrists for evaluation this month. They can't agree on a plan of treatment or diagnosis. She is currently not in therapy and does not have a UTI.
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MargaretMcKen Jan 30, 2024
Why 'multiple psychiatrists'? Pick one and follow ANY plan of treatment, which would be better than nothing.
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My mom was seeing people too. Turned out she had a UTI. I used a home kit to test her. Her doctor did a teleconference visit and prescribed antibiotics
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I am having the same hallucinations of my mother in law. I am not able to give her any sleeping pills to soothe her as she is able to walk with walker - worried she may fall.
I wonder if melatonin will work as I wished she can take that. This goes on everyday and 8-12 hours a day. Nothing you can say or do but nod. If you say that isn’t true she becomes irate for hours. She just sits in her electric recliner and hollers they also coming in from the TV.
Anyone with ideas ? I can only tried to divert attention to something else for her.
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lealonnie1 Jan 30, 2024
Yes, call her DOCTOR immediately.
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You do not ask her to see an MD.
You take her. No options.
You cannot talk 'reason' to a person with hallucinations.
If needed, you make up a story "we are going to the park to see the flowers and birds." - you do whatever works to gain her cooperation to get in the car and go.

Your mother should NOT be living alone-if she is living with you, doors may need to have locks so she cannot go outside unescorted. She may need to be in a facility with 24/7 care.

You need to educate yourself on what dementia is, i.e.,

* The different kinds of dementia

* How the different kinds of dementia affect different parts of the brain, and how.

* How the brain changes.

* You are 'trying' or expecting to talk to your mother as if her brain / cognitive functioning is in 'full tact.' It isn't. [You may feel you are very very respectful listening to her and giving her options however this doesn't work any longer.]

* You need to 'meet her where she is now,' which is having visions / experiences 'in her mind's eye / brain = hallucinations.

Read / google Teepa Snow. Learn what is going on in your mom's brain so you can better manage the situation. Speak to her with compassion/ate understanding knowing she is seeing and hearing things that are not there. It is her brain chemistry changing / losing brain cells.

Medication may help. Get her to an MD ASAP.

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Trying to force someone will make it worse. I told my daddy that to renew his prescriptions he needed to see the doctor. He got in the car no problem. I then talked to the doctor privately before him and let him know what was going on. Prayers
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🙏, understand.
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Sadly this is the Alzheimer’s taking more of her mind.
this is when we decided mom could no longer live on her own and placed her in a assisted living facility.
it’s a very sad disease that definitely needs research to help the aging population we will have with all these baby boomers.
prayers to you…
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If you don’t have POA, start the guardianship process. Try to get her to agree My mom was almost as bad at home, police at my house weekly, walking down the road crying in her pajamas, accusing me of poisoning her, accusing me of stealing her money, accusing my son of putting the dog to sleep. I was investigated by elder services. All the while she was living with me and my son doing dangerous things daily. While I was trying to keep my job and my own health and well being. I almost lost my mind for the last two years. I spent 6 months getting guardianship and $22k of my own money. My mom is in memory care and has barely enough money to last 6 months so I am now paying for Medicaid planning. It’s exhausting and if you are alone, you will lose your own health, life and money if you don’t act. I should have acted sooner. The decline is heartbreaking and so is placing them in memory care but you cannot take care of her and yourself / your family. Anyone who tells you it can be done hasn’t experienced it.
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