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Well, I promised I would give an update and this will be the last one. Here is the original post that many contributed to:



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AgingCare closed the post, so I couldn't add anymore there, so hopefully others will see this update.



So, without going on and on for hours...this is how everything has panned out. My wife did move her father into our home in Jan of this year. His condition was pretty bad, but she was determined to get him rehabilitated so he would have a better quality of life. She wanted to get him off the feeding tube, and up and walking/wheeling around with a walker/wheelchair. The general consensus from everyone was that my wife would not be able to handle it entirely on her own since he had been in a nursing home the previous 3 years and had the help of an entire staff vs. one person. Well, to my surprise, her father was given the best care that you could imagine from our government Medicare/Medicaid. He was provided every single thing needed for him here in our house, everything. Next, was the actual burnout..sadly I was hoping my wife would get tired and burn out quickly and realize this was a mistake, but I was wrong, completely wrong. His medicare/medicaid provided other nurses that came over a couple days a week during the week, plus another dedicated nurse for all day every Saturday. He also had physical therapists and other nurses coming by on a weekly basis, it was incredible. Our country has the best healthcare in the world, maybe not every state, but our state provided beyond any expectations I ever had. So with everything in place, she begins his rehab, and low and behold he is a complete a-hole to everyone. He went through several nurses who basically fired him, along with PT folks, he was not cooperating at all. He basically laid in bed all day, tv on...living his best life. He was really unnoticeable for the most part besides people coming and going. I did not help one bit, and my wife never asked me for help one time. My kids were able to spend some time with their grand dad, and while it wasn't the best time to spend with him, it was something. So over the past 11 months, he would end up with an infection or something, and would go in and out of the hospital several times.. His Dr. said that he was making big improvements from when he was under the nursing home care, and that gave my wife some hope, but I honestly wasn't seeing this improvement. During his stay, I was pressuring my wife on getting a plan, and unfortunately I knew there wasn't one besides her giving it the best shot she could at getting him a little better. He ended up going on a ventilator during one of his hospital stays, double pneumonia, whatever..and I thought this was it, NOPE, he survived and actually came off the ventilator but came home with a trach in his throat..one more thing for my wife to clean and tend to. After the 8 or 9 month mark, I could tell my wife was getting increasingly frustrated with his stubbornness to get better. He was taking advantage of her and the situation, like he always did, and I was ready to wheel his butt out of here. Instead, I supported my wife, and just carried on with my typical Dad duties. Before he moved in, both her and I worked our tails off and finished out a new room upstairs that one of our kids moved into, so space was not an issue. It was tough, and at times an inconvenience, but I pushed forward and hoped for the best. My wife and I did not fight too much over the matter, we actually got to spend more time together, almost too much time, if you know what I mean. So, fast forward, 2 months ago he comes out of the hospital with a broken hip..and goes down hill quick...she finally realizes that this it, he will not recover, and it's time to make some real decisions...I'm running out of characters, so keep reading the next comment...

Kryp - if you don’t mind sharing a bit more, so for your wife, she was not paid directly by the In Home Health family caregiver program.
She became an employee of a home health company that had your FIL as one of their clients. That’s it isn’t it?
Actually this is/was better as she would have burnt out with flames hitting the rest of y’all in the process. The company has your wife among others as part of their overall team to provide In Home health for your FIL, is that kinda it in a nutshell? Team of 3 or 4? + PT?
Bet it’s an experienced agency that has a no nonsense policy.

& I’m guessing wife team leader? so on her for majority of paperwork which is pretty intense. As she’s a RN is her salary based on degree and work experience? Im guessing it’s not $45/$55hr? It’s less, maybe half what she’d make otherwise but it’s not a fair comparison as it’s PT work in her home.

Did FIL have to do a copay? (from what’s he gets from his monthly income, like SS income) or is his income so low that he was way under the requirement to bother to collect a copay for in home services?

And on another tangent… really on the wrestling start looking about for schools with wrestling programs if it’s that your son wants to keep up with this sport in college. Ours (now 26) did a nontraditional sport from age 8 and we mainly looked at schools x the US that had this sport as varsity. Amazingly and to both my & Hubs surprise, scholarships were offered and even more surprising if it seemed he was on the cusp of acceptance grade /test score wise for how the school supposedly did admissions he would get a fat acceptance letter if the coach called him about his interest and position on their team. Even had a couple of alums have him over; it was an interesting senior high school year.
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I'm glad things worked out in your situation.

Guilt is such a powerful weapon. One we use on ourselves way too often when it isn't even really what we are feeling. I keep trying to help my husband recognize the difference between Guilt and Grief. But when people are in the throws a situation like that - they can't see the forest for the trees so to speak.

As the spouse in the situation - it is often incredibly difficult to know which way to turn and how hard to push. Because we can often see things with a very different lens - and quite frankly - we want to protect them not only from their family but from themselves.

I have to give you kudos for not only being able to support her through all of this, in spite of your own objections (I get this with my entire being, I really do) but also for recognizing that there were pros to the situation as well as the cons.

I know that you already know that she is going to be all over the place for the foreseeable future. Her initial emotion is probably going to be relief. And then she's probably going to feel guilty for feeling relieved and then this whole rollercoaster of emotions. But I think you guys are used to rollercoasters by now. But you seem to have this support model down pat. Just keep doing what you are doing.

She's very lucky to have you!
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What a lovely update to your original post. I wish you and your family all the best.
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This is the first time I've read your saga but am so glad things turned out O.K. in the end. Your family was fortunate to have had top-notch health care for your wife's father. Good luck from now on. . .
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Wow, what an amazing update! Thank you so much for taking the time to document it all...

I never participated in your original post so I didn't have a horse in this race. I live in MN (Minneapolis metro suburb) where I think the healthcare is pretty darn good. My MIL is in a LTC facility on Medicaid. She has a private room. She gets excellent care from an amazing staff. The facility has beautiful grounds and is on a lake. The staff takes her out on the facility pontoon boat to fish, and takes her to outings (like Llama farms) and hosts all sorts of therapy pets, events and activities. It is a faith-based facility.

Just posting this to support and round-out your positive experience with Medicaid (in-home). Going onto Medicaid *sometimes* isn't the end of the world. Healthcare quality and accessibility varies widely by state and even county. This is why people need to think long and hard about where they settle in their sunset years.

That being said I want to point out that luck definitely was a factor in your wife and FIL's experience... so many other variables could have been their reality -- but I'm very happy that it didn't turn out that way. Your kids have learned something too (and my opinion, based upon personal experience, is that it is a valuable, other-focused and maturing experience).

When the time comes, I hope someone will "put out" for your wife like she did for her Dad... May you and your inspiring spouse have a blessed, restorative and peaceful 2024!
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Kryptoid, kudos to your wife

Please, one of you update us on how she made this work,!
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kryptoid Dec 3, 2023
I will, she pulled off a magic trick for sure.
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How wonderful for us to receive an update. Thank you.

I know many that have used writing to 'debrief' or settle their thoughts after big life events. You express yourself very well. Keep writing if it helps you!

As the last chapter ends on your FIL's life, you can appreciate all your family went through.

Through thick & thin, sickness & health. It's not always possible for families to stay intact. I think you & your wife must be rare indeed & possess more than the usual amount of reasonabless & respect.

You have respected her values, maintained your own boundaries & she has respected those.

Regarding your FIL's care, your wife did her very best. She knows that not everyone can improve. She learnt how to let go. A big life task.

Wishing your family peace for the new chapter after caregiving.
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kryptoid Dec 3, 2023
Yes, this was the ultimate test for our relationship. i thought renovating a house with her would test our limits, but this takes the cake. I thought that she would be occupied all day and night with her dad, but honestly he wasn’t much burden. There were many nights where i went to bed alone, but she always made sure to give me the time and love i needed. I think the timing was good too, i could tell my wife was getting a bit more and more frustrated with her Dad, mainly for not trying to get better. He was not an easy patient for her or any of the other nurses or PT’s
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Well, I'm glad this worked from your perspective. I'd love to hear your children's point of view after 10 years or so.

I appeared to be "fine" at age 17, as my mom cared for both a chronically ill brother and her elderly mom in our home.

I can recall asking for "help" as a young teenager. She called our pediatrician and handed me the phone number of a psychiatrist.

Wishing you all well.
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Wow I can't believe it's been almost a year. Crazy how time flies. Even crazier how it seemed so easy for your wife and you and your kids. I am trying to understand how this OPs situation with a bedridden elder who needed help with diapers changed, bathing, eating, and pretty much every thing turned out so well while others have no help and get burnt out. It's just really weird and strange to me. How did OPs wife get all this extra help and others can't get any help?
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Sraytnore Dec 3, 2023
It's because all the people who it works out wonderfully for don't come to the internet to post about it. Mostly it's only the people who are having problems who post. I also notice a lot of people who have family dysfunction problems write on this forum.
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Such an amazing, heartfelt explanation for such a hard situation.
Great to see a decent ending to a sad story.
All the Best to a very solid couple.
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kryptoid Dec 3, 2023
Thanks, like someone else mentioned, it was luck but a lot of hard work and being blessed.
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Sorry that your wife will be losing her father but glad it all worked out for the better. And yes, the help you got is not the norm. But your wifes a nurse? That may have helped. Count yourself one of the lucky ones. Maybe your wife's experiences helped her to be able to deal with Dad.

My father was a loveable Carmudgeon. My DD, an RN, said he got her ready for those miserable people she had as patients.

By allowing your wife to do what she needed to do will give her peace knowing she did the best for her father. His last year was spent with family near by.

Thank you so much for the update and glad it all worked out for your family. You write well. Maybe you should write an article and seevif you can have it published.
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sp196902 Dec 3, 2023
Why is his experience not the norm? If most people are also on medicaid/medicare then shouldn't they all be getting these same things with nurses coming in a few days a week and an all day on one of the weekends? Is it because many elders refuse the extra help or do people just not know how to get the help that is available to them?
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This is an amazing update. So thorough that I feel I was on that journey with your family.
You should ALL be very proud of yourselves. Your entire family.
Thank you so much. As Igloo said, so few come back to tell us how things proceeded for them after they made their decisions on whatever subject they wrote about.

I can only hope that you and your wife stick around. You will have learned so much that would be invaluable to this Forum, for you have truly walked the walk.
My respect and sympathy especially out to your wife, and thank you so much for being her support. As I always tell folks, only you can make your decisions.
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kryptoid Dec 3, 2023
Thank you for your praises, it means a lot. I will try to help as much as i can, my wife truly is a loving nurse that cares about all of her patients. There were several times she would receive letters from family members of those that she had taken care of, thanking her for the job she did. it warmed my heart, and really made me appreciate the hard work she put into her job.
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Normally, when a poster comes to the forum repeatedly posting about an uncaring, unloving, uninvolved spouse, then divorce will be recommended because nobody deserves to be mistreated for decades. It took me 22 years to divorce a spouse with more issues than Newsweek, but I finally decided I was more valuable than he considered me to be. In your case, people jump to the divorce advice a bit hastily sometimes if they feel a spouse is not taking her whole family into consideration when insisting on taking in SUCH a needy and miserable elder to care for.

As funkygrandma said, it's good things worked out so well in your situation which is the exception to the rule. Especially with the " the best care that you could imagine from our government Medicare/Medicaid. He was provided every single thing needed for him here in our house, everything." I can honestly tell you that's the FIRST time I've ever read such a statement on Agingcare and I've been here for many years.

Wishing you the best of luck with everything and your wife the ability to move on with her life after she grieves the loss of her father.
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sp196902 Dec 3, 2023
"I can honestly tell you that's the FIRST time I've ever read such a statement on Agingcare and I've been here for many years." Right Lea. I don't get it. Maybe OP should write up something as to how this was possible so others can do the same (I am being serious, not sarcastic here).
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Glad things worked out for your family in this situation. Yours is the exception though and not the rule. I'm just saying.
And you were not lucky, you were obviously blessed for it to pan out as it did.

Now make sure after her dad passes that you take your wife on a nice long vacation to her dream location as she's earned it.
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kryptoid Dec 3, 2023
Oh yes, i’m not super spiritual but we were blessed it all worked out. Not to say that we didn’t fight or lose sweat and tears, sacrifices were made, but i’m thankful it worked out in the end. I was already looking at plane tickets for a vacation for the family, lol.
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Beautiful post.

Prayers for your wife as her life is going to make a huge turn now.

I, too, have been 'counseled' repeatedly that I should divorce my DH. It's been the rockiest road with him for many years--but overall, I won't do that.

Your wife deserves all the accolades and love that she can possibly give her.

Hoping for a very peaceful passing for your FIL.
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kryptoid Dec 3, 2023
Yes, I am praying for her and her family, even though they didn't visit him much, I know he was loved and was still a human being who deserved better than the local nursing homes. I think a lot of people believe that divorce is the best option sometimes, and I would have considered it the moment that I felt the kids were being neglected or even myself not having the wife that I married and needed. We have spent more time together in the past year, than our entire relationship...and while that is good...there were definitely times where I needed a break from her, lol, if you know what I mean. Thanks for the blessings.
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Thanks for the update, ya know very few actually do post updates. Appreciate it so very much!

so you got the 20 x 20 attic space room fixed up for the boys, excellent!
Good luck on wrestling & may he get a a college scholarship even if smallish should he go to a school with wrestling team.

If you don’t mind, I do want to ask, did the State actually pay your wife $30 hr for a 40 hr work week so $1200 a week paid to her before taxes to care for her dad as In Home Health services?
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kryptoid Dec 3, 2023
Yes, we did get the attic space finished into an incredible room..tv mounted on the wall..furniture, brand new bed..new flooring, everything, it turned out very nice, and done just in time. We had always planned on finishing it out, but really pushed hard to get it done when we needed it quick.

Our 15 year old has done so well this year in his wrestling...I cried the other day watching him fight so hard. There is a chat app that all the parents use to communicate and they were all talking about how well he did, and all of there kids couldn't stop talking about it.

So my wife ended up getting a job with the local home health care provider that took care of her Dad, and yes she was able to make roughly $30/hr taking care of him. BUT, it was not easy work, she had way way more charting to do than any other nursing job she ever took. She would be up till 1am regularly finishing her charting after a long day of taking care of him. Again, the saving grace were the other nurses that came to assist her a few days a week, 2 afternoons, and 1 Saturday till 4pm. And I will say, her Dad was pretty good through the night, didn't wake up. She would get him settled and done around midnight, and then back at it early the next morning. Thanks for following along, I'm glad it has worked out for my family.
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So, during the 11 months of him living in our house, he had ZERO family members come to visit. Wasn't a big shocker to me, but now that he is in really bad shape, my wife put out a message to them that it would be a good idea to come pay a visit...2 months go by, and nothing...My wife then goes ahead and puts her Dad into hospice so he can pass peacefully...it was really rough on her as this was her only parent but she did it. NOW, the other family members see the seriousness in the situation, and make their way to visit their Dad. Sadly, there is a lot of emotion, and a few of the family blamed my wife for "killing him" which was a major slap in the face considering all that we sacrificed over the past year, much less 4. She stayed strong, and after a day or so, the family members realized that he was in really bad shape, and it was his time to go. I'm actually writing this post on his final day here, as he is getting ready to take his last breaths. It has been a bit of a roller coaster ride over the last year, and it really tested our marriage. I have seen my wife's attitude and over all vibe change just in the last week now that she knows he is going to pass. I know it was a really big weight lifted off of her and I'm praying for a smooth transition for her Dad. I will say that at first I was very very very much against the idea, but now that I look back, it was not as bad as I expected..but that really was because of how well he was taken care of because of our healthcare system. Maybe we were lucky, I don't know..but that is how it all panned out. Here are a few things that I reflect on, after reading through a lot of the answers to my original question. There were a lot of people that recommended I just divorce my wife for making this decision. And while I thought about that option, I still loved my wife throughout all of this, and I didn't want to divorce her for wanting to care for her own father. While it was an inconvenience, she never neglected me nor the kids as she was working from home the entire time. Again, thank you US healthcare for providing for her Dad.. if she didn't get the help he needed, she would have thrown in the towel within the first month, if not sooner. I went through a rough divorce in my first marriage, and it had very negative affects on my 2 children from that marriage, so I would do anything to avoid that ever again. I know a lot of people get divorced for any little reason nowadays, so maybe I'm more traditional. LIke I said, we did not have any knock down blow out fights, things were pretty calm and collected throughout.. Yes we really couldn't go on any long extended vacations, but we got to spend quite a bit of time as a family together. I had mentioned our oldest son in the original post. He is doing well in school, and is in his 2nd year of HS wrestling..and has made great strides in that sport. He actually had a fantastic match this past week, helping his team win a local rivalry..and everyone was praising him...If my wife was tending to her Dad, it allowed me to have extra father son time with my boys, and I think they enjoyed that...we did a lot of fishing, biking, kayaking, playing with our dog, skate parks, arcades, everything!

So I think that will conclude this saga...thanks to everyone who followed along over the years. I appreciate all of the original advice dearly, it helped me out tremendously throughout, as I was in a pretty weird head space. And to those who are in a similar situation, I wish you luck, as that's what I think we had on our sides for this to all work. Enjoy life, and love your family through thick and thin!
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