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When I was dxed with NHL (cancer) last Spring I went to mother's apartment and told her. Her response? "Well, your daddy will be glad to see you". (Daddy died 15 years ago). I was appalled, hurt and immediately in tears. I just left and haven't seen or spoken to her since May.


(Now, I think she has some dementia, but her jailer, my YB says she's perfectly fine, and stands by that with his whole heart. I guess I want a 'reason' for why she'd say something so thoughtless and cruel.)


So--she gets the news her daughter is 'dying' and she has no reaction.


I mean, we are not close, not by a mile, and I made no effort to reach out to her as I went through TX. Cancer free now, and no contact with her. I assume someone told her that I'm cured (although really sick, still) but still, there is no communication. It's as if I DID die.


This is bothering me far more than it should. She doesn't call, never has although our phone number is the same for the last 44 years. No cards, not even one for my birthday which fell a week after my first chemo.


To me, it's unfathomable that she could cut me off like this....just...'well, you're gonna die, so I'm done with you'. I GET having issues with your grown kids, I have 5 and things are not always peachy, but good grief, she could have acknowledged this trial in some way.


Curious--and I don't know what I will do--do I contact her or continue grey rocking her for the rest of her life? It's hard not to be bitter.


As usual, I was the one who organized the family Christmas gift and paid for it and I may or may not be reimbursed for it.


We don't get together for anything during the holidays. It's implied that each family make the pilgrimage to see her.


I don't wish to be un- Christian, but it was SO hurtful for her to act so laissez faire about this deadly disease and then to blatantly ignore me for 6+ months.


She's 90. But she's going to live forever. This is bothering me so much--but in my heart I am afraid if I contact her, she will still be 'mean' and I cannot take that.

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My mother is 94, she has said some of the most awful things to me, said with malice, intent and forethought. I could write a book on her abuse. I went no contact 8 years ago, I will never allow her to abuse me again. I work behind the scenes helping my brother manage her, that is far as it will go. I would let her go, she will never change, she will continue to abuse you. My best!
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Please take this in jest

Send her a Christmas Card sign it...still among the living, Midkid

What Mom said sounds like something someone with Dementia would say. Your brother may be in denial or he just doesn't see it. If she has Dementia, maybe she doesn't realize how much time has gone by. Do what you always do for holidays concerning Mom. See what she says when u walk in. She may have forgotten what she said. If so, let it go. If she asks where u have been say under chemo treatments for the Cancer I told you about. They made me real sick. You don't have to stay long.

So sorry you have to deal with this on top of everything you have gone thru. I hope you and your kids can make a nice Christmas together.
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Midkid58 Dec 2019
I think my bald head would be a real big clue, don't you?
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Okay, Mid, I'm going to tackle this. There are several different levels that you are dealing with at once.

1. You and your mother have never had a close mom/daughter relationship. To some extent, your mother has always been in denial about abuse, molestation, and used suicide as a threat to keep you all under control. Have I got that right? Just NOT a typical childhood.

Let's keep that there.

2. Your mom is the one who is going to deduct a couple of thousand from your inheritance for something unknown, yes? Maybe your braces? Maybe for ratting out your brother who was abusing you? Who knows. But again, just not a typical "mom" thing to do.

3. Your mother leads a very restricted, captive life in a hoarded, filthy (from the bird guano) nearly uninhabitable apartment that is part of your brother's home. He has adult children who he's raised to be afraid of the outside world so neither they nor he venture out much. He is morbidly obese. He claims that mom is "fine" and that she needs no help.

4. When you told the family that your had a cancer diagnosis, this brother-dearest told your mother that you were lying about it to get attention (or was that your MIL?).

5. Your mother will not let you clean her apartment or throw any of her ancient Tupperware, plastic bags, old catalogs or urine-soaked clothes away.

Mid, if you read this about ANYONE else on this message board, would you say that the person in question (the mother) had dementia?

Would you trust ANYTHING that the clearly mentally ill brother said? (Like that mom is fine? He's an EMT; her vitals are fine; that's what he knows. As long as her heart is beating, she's fine).

Would you encourage the writer (yourself) to have any expectation of any sort of social behavior from the mother that fit with societal norms, like a card, a phone call or reaching out through family to find out how the writer was doing?

Mid, your mother has never been a "mom" to you. Even when she didn't have dementia.

Now her brain is even more broken than it was when you were younger. I think that you need to adjust your expectations of her behavior.

If YOU want to see her, go see her or meet her outside (which I seem to recall is the only way visiting is allowed). But don't berate her. I honestly don't think she can help how she is.

If it bothers you that as a Christian you shouldn't feel this way, or that you should be moving mountains to change your mother's reactions to you, please go visit your pastor and seek some counsel. I'm sure he'll have some words of wisdom and comfort for you.

Love you! (((((((((HUGS))))))))
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Riverdale Dec 2019
A wonderful reply. I constantly feel bad for Mid and all she has to endure continuously with so many family issues. I wish someone amongst them would step up and show some real love and concern. I didn't love being an only child until I hear stories such as hers. She deserves so much more from life.
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Go see her to just see if she is doing ok, not for anything else. But you go knowing that she hasn't changed where you are concerned-that won't change. I say this to you as much as myself. But you, dear Mid have fought the beast and are a survivor and your toxic family situation will not let you heal if you keep investing in the emotional battle with them.
That she said what she said to you when you told her about your dx. was just cruel and hard to take that it wasn't the dementia talking.
I'm so sorry you are missing the mother you need to help you through this. My heart hurts for you. You deserve to feel better and heal and have a good, productive life. Rock on Mid!!!
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Midkid, regardless of what YB may say, you _know_ your mother's response was not "normal". I don't know if she has some life long emotional/mental issues or dementia or a combination but it's completely unnatural for any mother to not care about her child. In order for that to happen, there is something seriously wrong! I suspect a large portion of your pain is also related to YB's support of your mother too.

At one point in my life a close family member did something almost equally hurtful to me. I realized I didn't have the relationship I thought I had or even the one I deserved. I coped by mourning the "death" of the relationship I wanted and thought I had; it had once existed in my heart and mind but was now gone forever, so I mourned. I thought of that family member as "dead to me" with no chance of ever having any relationship again. And just like with an actual physical death, the initial pain was very bad but then I began to heal. Life went on and eventually it didn't hurt anymore. It wasn't like a actual death as I had experienced them to that time because there were no regrets this person was no longer in my life. A few years later, my family member re-approached me, asked for my forgiveness, and wanted to re-establish our relationship. I told her honestly that we could not re-establish our relationship because she had totally destroyed it. But I had forgiven her for being less than I thought she was and forgiven myself for misreading her character. So we could start a new relationship that might even be friendly someday but it would never be the same because I knew her better now. That was more than 20 years ago and she's still around at family gatherings but not someone who gets invited to my home. I think I did something very similar when my father's dementia destroyed my relationship with him too, although there was a lot of regret with my father and his physical death was still a blow.

I suggest you accept the loss and mourn the death of the relationship with your mother you deserve to have had. Forgiveness is the gift we give ourselves. Forgive your mother, not because she deserves it but because _you_ do not deserve to continue experiencing all the pain and anger of the unresolved issues. Forgive YB for being such an a$$ too.

Albert Einstein reputedly said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." Do you really believe if you contact your mother you will get a different result? Please do not open yourself up to another emotional bludgeoning. Walk away _permanently_. Accept the relationship is as over today as it will be when she is physically dead.
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Shell38314 Dec 2019
TNtechie,

I understand what you mean...I had to mourn my mother and my relationship. Mourn the lost of what I thought we had. I mourn the death of the mother I wished and thought she was! And in that dark time I did find freedom!
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Well, for all you know, YB told mother you died. He's not a normal human being, so don't put such a thing past him, right? If she thinks you've died, she wouldn't be calling or reaching out to you.

The question here is what do you WANT?? You want her to acknowledge you, to say something nice or decent or 'motherly' to you, like Thank God You're Alive My Daughter, or, I Love You, or something along those lines. Chances are, she isn't going to do that for a variety of reasons, one being dementia. You can't rely on your abnormal YB to tell you if mother is suffering from dementia or not..........since he himself probably IS!

So. You're playing Charlie Brown again expecting Lucy won't pull the football away this time, like she has a thousand times before. Ask yourself what's changed? Will mother be someone different 'this time' than she's been before? And, is it worth the risk to YOUR emotional well being if she's not? If she's the same old nasty woman, can YOU bear the rejection again? Where will it leave you if that happens?

You've just gone through a difficult treatment program that's likely left you emotionally AND physically (not to mention psychically) drained. Are you ready for ANOTHER blow now?

I think, personally, that you should wait until you're in a better/safer place in life before you tackle this beast again. Wait until you've been cancer free for a year. Or until you feel whole again; stronger mentally and physically to where you CAN bear the blow, should she deliver one.

I remember wanting to find my biological family for my entire life. But I had to wait until I was in a safe enough place in my life to actually DO it. And it's a good thing I waited, too, because the news I discovered was the worst possible news a person could ever receive. I almost had a nervous breakdown when I found them, as it turns out. So thank God I was healthy enough to weather that storm or I shudder to think how it COULD have turned out.

We humans are strong, but we're also very fragile. She's hurt you an awful lot over the course of your life. Are you ready for another blow? Be quite sure you are before you open this Pandora's Box again, my friend.

And all the best of luck to you
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Riverdale Dec 2019
Even though she feels her mother may live forever she is 90. Having dealt with cancer makes one feel vulnerable. I think hidden in all this is whether to make contact while her mother is still alive. Your answer is good. I can't imagine the trauma of finding birth parents. I struggle with wanting to ask my mother about things but she can't really connect well anymore so I leave it alone and will probably punish myself once she is gone yet I don't know what else to do now.

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Midkid,

Well you have reach to the end of your road. Now, do you build a road to your mother or do you just build a new road?

Dementia or not, does it really matter? I mean...some people...MOTHERS...are just hurtful! I know you are probably thinking if your mother has dementia then you can explain the hurtful comment that she made, but you said yourself that she never calls you. You always are the one who makes contact with her. You know she has not had dementia for the last 40+ yrs. Now that I have said that-I am sure she might have some kind of mental/emotional issue. It is not normal to have a reaction to your daughter having cancer that way. "Daddy will be happy to see you," REALLY...THAT'S IT...NO SORRY...NO OH NO...MY POOR DAUGHTER!!! NOTHING!! You know that is not a normal reaction!

When you posted about having cancer I was like...NO...NOT MIDKID...SHE GIVES GREAT ADVICE...GOD HELP MIDKID...and I don't even know you personally. Now, your a mother and how would you feel if your child came to you with that kind of news...I bet you would drop to your knees!

I'll get to my point, your mother can't or won't give you what you need/want. She probably never did! This is the hard fact that we face when we learn that a parent didn't love us the way we needed/wanted. It hurts and it sucks to learn that our mothers are broken in a way that leaves us feeling wrong...hurt...empty...lost!

Ask yourself these questions:1) Does your mother add to your life or does she take from your life? 2) Has your mother ever gave you something that you just needed at a moment in time? (This can be something physical or just a kind word at a time of need or a hug) If so, what? When? 3) When you leave your mother's house or hang up the phone do you feel happy, peace or do you feel hurt or angry? It really doesn't matter what we say--what matters is how a person feels when he/she leaves us. Do you get what I am saying? Does your mother make you feel love and cared for and supported?

You are the only one that can make this decision because you are the one who has to live with it.

I will say and this is just what I believe-Midkid you were given a second chance, do not waste it on anybody who doesn't love and care about you. You deserve so much more!

I am sorry for being harsh. But I just feel that you should spend your time with people who love and support you!

It took me along time to come with terms that my own mother can't give me what I need and that she never really liked me. But my life will go on and I will be fine and so will you!

Your mother will not live forever and if you feel that you can not handle her being mean then you are not emotionally strong enough right now to call her or be around her. Perhaps give yourself some more time!


Again sorry for being harsh! I am pleased that you are cancer free!

Lots of hugs!!!
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JoAnn29 Dec 2019
I like "you were given a second chance, do not waste it on anybody who doesn't love and care about you. You deserve so much more!"

Your Mom seems to be happy in her little "pig pen". As said she adds nothing to ur life.

I read once where an abused child if given the choice between and abusive parent and the good parent, will chose the abusive one. Because they are looking for love which that parent cannot give. They think if the are very good that parent will love them. There are people that brains are just not wired right. Except that you will never know why.
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Midkid, First of all I feel you should forgive your mother. Your mother is 90 years old, set things straight. Be the bigger person. If you have faith try praying about it, ask God to help you with this decision. You do not want any regrets later on, and it appears you will have regrets. Talk to your brother, and go see her. Give her a hug and tell her you love her, I know you do, otherwise you would not give a care what she thinks or does. Do it before it is too late! I hope I did not offend you in any way, just want to help. Carrying this burden and all the stress you certainly do not need. You are doing so well and you have a second chance in life. You are cancer free and that is so wonderful. God healed you for a reason, Midkid. I am going to pray for you for strength and peace tonight. Wishing you a blessing of reconciliation with you mother.
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JoAnn29 Dec 2019
I think we are passed this. Yes, for her own wellbeing she needs to forgive Mom for not being able to show the love Mothers have for her children. But, she does not need to enter the fire. For her sanity, she needs to break away. She has said 3 out of 5 children have nothing to do with Mom. The one that does lives with her and thinks everything is hunkie dorie.
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MidKid,

My mom is 94. I feel the same way. I have only spoken very briefly to her twice since she moved out. Eh, not the warmest conversations. My brother and I were never close. I know he is convincing her to be distant but you know what? The truth is she always showed favoritism to my brothers over me.

The irony is that I am the one that always did the most for her, including letting her live with us for nearly 15 years until I hit my breaking point and told her to go live with my brother.

I refuse to speak to my brother because I can’t forget that he wanted to have me arrested for elder abuse because I set boundaries and mom no longer got her way on everything that she wanted. I tried over and over to have a harmonious relationship with my brothers. Then I finally gave up!

It’s so hard. I get all of your emotions. I struggle too. There are times I tell God that I am sorry for troubling him with my same old crap!

Sometimes I even tell God, okay, time out, not praying because I don’t want to be a broken record. I guess He understands.

I wish I had a good answer for you. If you come up with an answer please share it with me! I think we both want a mom that is capable of being the mom we always needed and wanted. Not perfect but caring and respectful, knowing that we are equally important to others. I don’t want to be more important than others. I just wanted to be treated the same.

Hey, do you want to hear something funny? People would say to me, “What a pretty little girl, the only girl in the family, you must be the little princess of the family?” Are you kidding me? I was anything but a princess to my mom. People would even ask if I was spoiled being the only girl? I didn’t answer them. I was bewildered by it all.

Do you know, as a kid I did everything under the sun to get noticed? I learned every word of every song that we sang in Mass. I studied hard in school to get good grades. I tried and tried. One day I remember asking my mom, do I have to misbehave like my brothers to get your attention? Isn’t that sad?

You know what her answer was, “I treated all my children the same.” Yeah, right! That’s why I always worked hard, never ever asked you and daddy for a penny but they always had a hand out for money and free food! Actually, I look back and see it was a blessing in disguise because I learned to be independent even through hard times.

Well, I hope we figure it out one day how to resolve our emotions about our moms. I wish you well. I truly do. Hugs!
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Riverdale Dec 2019
Another thoughtful, caring answer that is heartbreaking.
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I'd go with the dementia explanation. She probably doesn't really understand what she's seeing and what others are saying, and obviously no longer able to imagine what other people feel. She can have dementia and still talk, eat, remember family stories, recognize family members, but at the same time still be severely impaired in many ways. Younger brother is the only one there taking care of her and he is in denial? My first thought is younger brother is using elderly mother with dementia for her money, credit cards, credit line on house, car, applying for more credit in her name--for his addiction / drinking / gambling. I don't know your brother at all, of course, but the same type of story has played out many times on this forum and others. Or he might just be so overwhelmed that he never thinks to put a greeting card in front of mom and ask her to scribble her name, then send it off to you.
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Thanks to ALL of you for loving, non-judgmental answers.

I do NOT do 'divorce' of family well. I am too emotionally tied to EVERYBODY! And normally that isn't bad, but I cannot get past the complete lack of concern she show(ed). Having said that, I had not spoken to my abusive OB for 1 years before he suddenly died of a massive stroke. All I felt then was peace and gratitude he was gone. No sorrow, not one minute's worth.

I am still not allowed into her apartment (bird dander and poop are so toxic to me, my doc said absolutely not to being inside her place). So I have that medical excuse for a few more months.

In truth, I could go talk to her and end up driving home in hysterics AGAIN b/c she said something mean/tacky/cruel.

Don't know what I will do. But thank you for so many points of view on this.

I am not doing anything about Christmas (other than buying the gift)...it's only 2 weeks away and I will still be sick from the remnants of chemo. I need peace and as little stress as I can manage for a few more months.

I'll know when I'm 'me' again. Until then--I'm staying grey rock. She's not going anywhere.

As bad as YB is, and he has some serious issues, I know he is really just trying to protect mother. In his own weird way. He is not able to abuse her financially--since my OTHER YB is financial POA and checks on mom's spending. She can't give YB anything other than what they've contractually agreed to.
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Shell38314 Dec 2019
Midkid,

I don't divorce family well easy either, but sometimes we have to-to save ourselves! It is hard to say in the least!
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Several years ago, my sister was diagnosed with metastatic breast cancer. It fell to me to tell Mom about it, and I was shocked at the way she DIDN'T react - she showed no emotion whatsoever, and just said something generic like, "Oh, dear." That was it.

Me? I've never been terribly close to my sister, but I cried for hours after she told me of the diagnosis. Fortunately, the surgery, chemo and radiation worked, and she's been cancer-free for two years.

The only explanation I could come up with for Mom's non-reaction is that some people in their great old age are so used to having nothing left but "waiting for God" themselves, they naturally expect everyone else to be the same way. Or they're so wrapped up in their own "elderliness" that hearing of even their child's illness has no effect.

You're hurting, yet you still want to contact her. That's okay, and it's only human. Go ahead and contact her, with a phone call or visit, but prepare yourself for a negative outcome just in case; in other words, hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. At least you will have made the effort, and that should satisfy your conscience, if nothing else. And depending on the outcome, make any future plans accordingly.
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I asked Moms neurologist if a person gets mean once they have Dementia. His answer was, if the were nice before, they will be nice after. If they were mean before, they will be mean after. If they were nice before but mean after, the have always been mean but were able to cover it up.
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Shell38314 Dec 2019
JoAnn,

Thank you for sharing that information. My mother always seemed like a nice person. I mean people really did like her. She would always take kids in that needed a place to stay for a few days and she would call their parents and tell them where their kids were. Plus, her and my dad helped raise 3 boys that were abandoned by both their parents but lived with their grandparents just a few house away. So the boys would live with us on and off most of their childhood. If their grandparents couldn't handle them or just needed help my parents would step in...but it would turn out that those boys think my mother is so sweet. But she was never that sweet to me! In fact, now she is down right mean! I guess she was always that way. Perhaps she just hid her meanness!
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A leopard never changes its spots.

But even knowing that, if you really can't get it out of your head, it may be useful to find some sort of answer? Maybe a phone call? Saves driving time, less health risk, easy to hang up too.

I'm wondering if the *spots* may have turned into memory holes by now.
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Congratulations on beating your cancer! I think your decision to stay in the grey rock area for now is best. Giving yourself time to recover and gaining your strength should be your focus. Mom probably won't change much in this time and dealing with these issues can be exhausting and take a whole new set of skills!
I have been criticized for saying you need to learn to let things roll off your back when the comments are so hurtful. I've been dealing with Mom for many years and it took a lot to learn this. She's 95 and in memory care. Her latest thing every time I go there is telling others that my dad didn't really want any more kids (I'm the baby) and she talked him into having me. And then goes on to say how he spoiled me. Spoiled!!! He was a wonderful dad but I would never describe my upbringing as being a spoiled kid. The comments stick in my mind for awhile obviously, but I don't let them upset me like they used to.
Good luck to you and again, take care of yourself . You're in a battle for your life. Give yourself time to get back to yourself and then deal with the mom issue. You've been told by many, and I agree, you should only have people in your life who don't suck the life from you. Time will help you decide if a it's worth having a relationship with her. Like a separation as compared to a divorce.
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Again, wonderful answers.

I like the comment that our parents were of the 'hush-hush' generation and negative stuff was simply not spoken of. We had to put on a "happy family face" no matter what. And yet, in my heart, as a child, I KNEW things were NOT Ok, not by a long shot. My next door neighbor was a little 'odd' and the moms in the neighborhood were always warning us about him getting 'too close' to us girls. What a joke--he was the kindest, sweetest guy, just a little slow.

My OWN BROTHER? Molested all the younger kids he could get hold of, and mother KNEW about it and did NOTHING. This is still hard to swallow. (He passed away about 7 years ago, I don't remember).

Mother did call the other day and left a garbled message and she'd meant to call my sister, so I deleted the message and won't return it.

I'm doing a group gift for her and YB actually replied to my email--the first words I have heard from him in nearly a year. I just replied to him about how much he owed me and let him know he would have to find a place in mom's apartment for the gift. (A 'Skylight'--one of those picture frames that rotate pics and there's no 'actual pics' to worry about.)

Hard that he also ignored my sickness. But I told him I am going grey rock with mother and have no plans to see her over Christmas and I didn't much care what he thinks about that---he was 'normal' and actually said he was sorry I'd been sick. Meh. Pretty pathetic but I'll take it. I know a lot of people cannot take 'sick'.

I know that unless tings really change in the next 2 weeks, I will be spending the holidays fussing myself and resting and doing what I want.

To add to the drama, my MIL is doing very poorly, and we don't expect she'll last the year. DH is having a terrible time with this, as they have a horrible relationship and he cannot get to a place of peace about it. A couple months ago she told him he had ruined her life, she was planning to leave and divorce his father, but she 'fell pregnant' with him and was stuck. He'd ruined any chance she had at happiness. My poor DH, I actually heard this from my son in law!! DH didn't even tell me, he felt so awful.

It's funny that 2 'walking wounded' found each other in this crazy world. We were both abused as kids and have unloving mothers. It's made marriage very hard.

I've been thinking if mother ever dies, will I cry? Will I care? Something so basic as the mother/child relationship you KNOW the answer should be "I'll mourn, I'll be sad" and I don't think I will.

People--life is hard, isn't it??

But yesterday I got a lift--my son in law is interviewing at a lot of hospitals for his 'real job' and he was in town. He came by for an hour to see me and see how I am doing. What a treat! He could have hung out with all the other docs for that hour but he chose to come see his bald MIL. Gave me a billion great hugs and told me he loved me.

This really lifted my spirits and reminded me I need to focus on the positive.

My 4 sons in law are amazing and wonderful men. My daughters are VERY lucky women.
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Hey, Mid

I made the comment on the hush hush world. You know that is the world that I lived in. According to everyone I was the pretty little girl who had three brothers and lived like a princess. Yeah, right! People actually asked me if I was spoiled being the only girl.

We were to present ourselves as the ‘perfect’ family to the public and I was the sweet baby girl that everyone adored.

The truth was my mom favored her sons. I was a daddy’s girl. I truly tried to be close to my mom growing up. There were close moments. Yeah, passing moments, very different from the genuine relationship that I had with my dad and grandparents and an aunt and uncle that I was close to.

So I just wanted to let you know, I am not going to have contact with my mom for Christmas either. How can I ever feel comfortable with my brothers again after they wanted to have me arrested with elder abuse charges because I finally set boundaries with my mom and she didn’t like it. So what did she do, complain to my brothers who never did anything for her. She’s now living with him. I refuse to go to his house.

I couldn’t take any more of their criticism anymore so as most people know I told mom to go stay with my brother. As my husband says, “We did more than our share!” I don’t know where mom will end up or when she will die. She’s 94. But I sacrificed so many years for her. I reached my breaking point. I don’t miss the turmoil.

I don’t have a mom figure in my life now. My precious MIL has been dead for years, my sweet aunt too, my lovely grandma meant the world to me. I was blessed to have her in my life.

But hey, I am 64, so I really shouldn’t complain about feeling like a motherless child, right? It’s just hard to sort it all out in my head and heart sometimes.

Mid, you know that I wish you all the best that life has to offer and I believe there are good days ahead for both of us.

Take care and a million hugs!
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The Hush Hush World. You should patent that for a book title. It's BRILLIENT.

My Mother would always say "you HAVE to behave when we are out!"

To be judged by all those finger wagging old busy bodies - the fear of being exposed as not being a *good mother*. The shame.

If a had a dollar for every time I've been judged in public... Holy Moly. The absconding toddler, the rock thrower, the sullen teen slouching along 3 steps behind... the time both kids decided to pretend to be deaf in a supermarket: pretending to do sign language & speaking in flat voices to ask for lollies & an old lady told me I should be ashamed of myself for not buying treats for my handicapped children!!!
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NeedHelpWithMom Dec 2019
You’re right, Beatty

That’s how it was then.
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well let see she is 90 so very old.

it s time go be king and forget the past.
be with her now move on in your life.
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