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We just said "good-bye" to a close friend, under palliative care in ICU. Her sisters didn't want to travel because of Covid, and we live close by, so we agreed to do this. My partner and I were with her; along with her brother. The hospital was generous and wonderful, and allowed us to stay 3 hrs. She was removed from ventilator, and passed in 45 min. This was not-Covid related. I just need to vent, and wonder if anyone has been through a similar experience?


Having a lot of feelings and am doing my best to care for myself. We are part of a small social circle, and we kept others in the loop about our sick friend, who was in the hospital for weeks. Two of them responded sporadically, and sent a nicely worded email after her death. I realize everyone deals with death differently, and some people are afraid of strong emotions, but this feels like crap. I'm angry and disappointed, and feel like somehow they not only abandoned the two of us, but this mutual friend as well.


I know I will learn from this, and in time it's getting better. I am grateful they we were willing and able to be with her as she passed. I realize not everyone would be able to do this - my partner and I both were willing to be present, and we did not want her to die alone.


Thanks for listening. If anyone can relate, please let me know.

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First, let me offer my condolences on your loss. I think everyone here has at least 1 friend that we consider as close as - if not closer - than family members and their death affects us as strongly - if not more so- than the death of family member.

Second, let me express my admiration to you for being there for your dear friend when she passed, so she would not be alone. Watching someone you love die is never easy, under any circumstances.

Now as far as the other people in your small social circle; you are 100% correct when you say that everyone deals with death differently. And while I understand your disappointment and anger, I hope you can come to terms with it. There are many reasons why people drift away in the face of a loved one's terminal illness and death; partly fear, partly regret, partly grief. I think we all tend to think if we can just say the "right thing", then everything will be better; in the absence of knowing what that "right thing" is, we tend to either go silent or overcompensate by saying entirely too much.

And you have a segment of people who feel that anything you say when someone passes is trite; that funerals are a "waste of time"; that it's better to not mention it to the person/people experiencing loss so you don't upset them; the list goes on and on. There are also people who can't come to terms with the fact that bad things happen to good people through no one's fault, and they're mad as hell about the whole thing. I don't know what caused your friends to distance themselves; likely they don't know all the reasons either.

If you think you are able, maybe reach out to this circle of friends and have some sort of memorial -either in person or virtually - with them, where you can all share your memories of your friend. Perhaps if they have a more informal setting than a church/funeral home, they might be more willing to open up and share their grief, which will give you the opportunity to share yours. It would be a shame if these friendships are important to you to lose them over difficulty expressing sadness.

I wish you peace as you proceed through your grieving.
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I'm sorry about the death of your friend. Please accept my condolences. It sounds like it was very emotional. I would imagine it would impact you for a long time. I wasn't with my LO when she passed away in November, but I've been talking to the hospice Bereavement counselor regularly since that time. I feel that it helps. She informed me that in the US all hospices offer free bereavement counseling to anyone in their community, regardless of whether the deceased person was on hospice. I haven't researched that, but it wouldn't hurt to check it out. It might be a good resource.
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Catlover Feb 2021
Thank you Sunnygirl1 -- thanks for reminding me about hospice & bereavement counseling - I have been in grief groups in the past. I think that with Covid everything is different in terms of in-person groups, and counseling; but I know there are resources out there. Thank you for your kind response. Best to you on your journey.
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Dear Catlover, So very sorry for your loss. I relate to what happened with you because something similar happened to me as well. It took me a while, and I still struggle with this, to realize I'm only responsible for my own feelings in the loss of my friend and why the Lord knew I was able to handle 'being there' when my best friend passed I'll never know. In truth I haven't handled it well at all and still am dealing with the anger but I am coming to terms with not blaming (for lack of a better word) her other (best) friends along the way and she had many. I had to own the fact that even though I was with her physically that day, for those hours it didn't mean that her other friends didn't love her any less than I do and miss her just as much and always will. Some of our mutual life long friends made plans to get together but it never came about. Life went on.
I do keep in touch with her SO and that is tough because I don't know who grieves more to this day and we might be reminders of our loss. But as time goes we have our good memories to hold us together.
It has been hard, God bless those nurses who go throught this every day and God bless people who are truely alone in the end...except for the presence of said nurses.
I'm not sure I've helped you just please know you are not alone with your feelings of how or why this happened.
Know you were and are a true friend and be easy on yourself.
Hugs xx
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Catlover Feb 2021
Thank you Rbuser1 - I am very hard on myself, and need to lighten up!

It sounds like you did go through something similar with your best friend's death. I think it will take me some time to come to terms with how her other friend's reacted, as it did with you.

You know, I did feel, before our friend's death, that I might be called on to step up. It was just an intuitive feeling that I couldn't shake. I think perhaps we were asked to be there because we could handle it; and we were supposed to be spiritually present.

God bless those nurses; and especially now with Covid, and so many people are dying with only the nurses present - and contact with loved ones through a screen.

Thank you -- you did help me. I'm so grateful for all the responses I've gotten this morning. Hugs to you.
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As you said, people handle death differently.

When my uncle died, his own son declined to come to support his mother for a full week. He had been there with his dad about 10 days before his death, but after the death, he just couldn't bring himself to support his mom and be with her and his sisters to grieve as a family. He was also very close to our step-grandmother and spent a great deal of time with her as a friend -- far closer than any of the rest of us, although I was always in touch with her from afar as I lived in another state. When she died, our grandmother's nieces asked my cousin to give the eulogy. He agreed, then pulled out three days before the funeral. I had to give the eulogy instead, which was fine, but I'm not a public speaker and would have liked to have more time to prepare.

Back to my uncle -- his best friend of 60 years didn't attend my uncle's memorial service. It was held three weeks after his death, so the loss wasn't fresh, nor was it unexpected. I found it extremely disrespectful to his family, who are the ones who need the comfort and support. My uncle was gone -- his time of need was past.

People can do what they can do. There isn't much you can do to change that, and I wouldn't be surprised if it simply hasn't occurred to anyone that you and your partner needed support. I think it's fair to talk to those in your circle how you felt, but give it a little while.
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Catlover Feb 2021
Thank you MJ - I appreciate hearing your stories, sad as they are. It's nice to know other folks go through similar disappointments during such a hard time. I guess it's comforting to hear. You never know how people are going to react to, or handle grief.

You nailed it when you said "People can do what they can do."

Thank you for your kind answer.
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Thank you "notgoodenough" -- I appreciate your thoughtful answer, and condolences. Yes, you described perfectly some of the various ways people deal with death and dying - there is a wide range, for sure. Indeed, they may not know themselves what all their reasons are.

We are going to have a memorial service, in the future, where family and friends will be able to share their feelings, and grief, and also celebrate our friend. I agree that might be a better way to share our sadness.

Thanks again for your kind answer.
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How wonderfully Blessed your friend was that you were there for her.

My strong preference is to be by myself when I die. I do not, at least in my present frame of mind, wish to be accompanied until I draw my last breath.

My own mother, whom I dearly loved, was a complicated and severely troubled woman. My father, her husband, loved her as I did. When I knew she was dying, I felt an enormous peace that he, who had died several years before, was with us in her room, and would leave with her when she was ready to go.

I left after a lovely, sweet, peaceful visit with her, and received the call that she’d died at 2 that morning. No regrets. I honored her intense privacy, and was grateful to have been with her while also sensing my father’s loving presence there.

You did a beautiful and loving thing by being with your friend. I can think of no kinder gesture that could be offered other than what you did.
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It is wonderful you could be there for your friend. Often too many coming is truly overwhelming. When I was a nurse the dying often disappointed family by disengaging somewhat from the living. They are busy with this last journey, they are between worlds. Too many people coming and going is often a real burden to them, even when those people were much beloved in life.
Don't waste time in anger, please. Celebrate the preciousness of this life. And thanks so much for being a loving and caring friend.
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I’m sorry for your loss. A beloved friend is a treasure, I’m sure there was gratitude for your being there, and now for the friendship you shared. I watched my dad pass away this past summer. It was impossibly hard but I also felt honored to be available for him and to see him out of this world. And yes, there were insensitive people afterwards, I quickly had to dismiss that, they either didn’t know better or can’t do better. Wishing you peace and comfort
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You are correct when you say that everyone deals with death differently. We can't change that. It is what it is. When my husband was starting his 6 week dying process(we didn't know it would take that long), I notified some of the folks from my church, and my extended family and friends. Very few of those folks actually contacted me, or if they did, it was early on and then I was left by myself to deal with things for the duration. Now to be clear, my son and daughter were there, and helpful, as were the hospice nurses, (they weren't all that helpful though, sad to say). Watching someone die a slow and painful death is horrific to watch, and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Also another time, many years earlier, a gentleman that worked as a security guard for the jewelry store I worked at, was in the hospital dying of lung cancer. A bunch of us would go every day to see him, and when we got word that he would be dying shortly, about 5 of us went to be with him, and when we got there, his wife was curled up in a chair in the corner of the room, and couldn't bring herself to go near him, all evening. The rest of us stayed around his bed, and held his hand, and rubbed his forehead, just to let him know that he was not alone. We were with him for about 6 hours when he finally passed in the wee hours of the morning, and his wife never left her spot in the chair. At the time I found that to be quite peculiar, but like you said, everyone deals with death differently.

I guess being a Christian, I just view death differently than most. It's just a crossing over from this life to the next, where we will spend eternity with our Heavenly Father, and Jesus Christ. Perhaps those who don't share that view, have reason to fear death, as it is the unknown they fear more than anything. God bless you for caring enough for your friend, to be with her as she transitioned from this life to the next. I know she was grateful.
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I am so very sorry for the loss of your friend.

Some friends are like family. It’s really tough to say goodbye to them. It doesn’t even seem real after they die. We feel their loss deeply.

I struggle with understanding human behavior. Some people are lovely and it’s a pleasure to be around them.

Eh, we all know others that are ‘fair weather’ friends or ‘so called’ friends. We tend not to take these people seriously. Their opinions are neither here nor there for us, right?

Good friends though, we rely on and it catches us off guard if something seems to be out of character for them.

I am sorry if you feel let down. It is true. Grief is a very personal matter for each of us. We do respond differently.

Wishing you peace during this difficult time in your life.

Take care.
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I am so sorry for your loss. You are a good friend.

I lost a classmate at Thanksgiving. We had an on and off friendship. The last 7 years of her life I was busy caring for an infant grandson and then my Mom. This friend had really never been a happy person. Another classmate called her a "Debbie Downer". The one thing I noticed about her is she expected her friends to act a certain way and when they didn't she complained about them to me. I am trying so hard not to be this way. Life is lots better when you don't expect people to be a certain way. I have 2 friends I have had for 66 and 63 years. I have come to realize that the one I have known for 63yrs will probably be the one I can depend on. I do not expect the other one to be there for me even though I have and would be there for her.

People get rapped up in their own lives. Be happy that when someone reached out to you, you were there for them. Let those feelings go.
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