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My mother (age 77) has lived with me and my husband for a year with advanced stage C.O.P.D. We did not think she would make it this long. The challenge has been that at whatever level of capability she had, she would refuse help and feign independence. Therefore, we would have to do things for her anyway, which caused her to be resentful or we would "sneak" in to do things for her, while she was in another part of the house. She identifies so much with independence she does not graciously accept help, which takes the fun out of helping. Note to self: accept help graciously. That said, I have loved having my Mom in my house, knowing she is safe and being able to enjoy her good days. A few weeks ago, she stopped all medication and treatment (including the 24/7 oxygen), and cut down her water intake to 4-6 oz. a day. She eats very little and only because I put it right in front of her (intake is maybe a small piece of pie and grapes one day; half a tamale the next day). The palliative doctor and nurse are aware of this and wanted to put her on hospice, even though she still would have months of life (if she were fully compliant). My Mom will not communicate AT ALL why she is doing this, but this has started a decline into dying (of course). I discussed the psychiatric aspects of this decision with the doctor, since Mom seems to be having some low level of psychoses or dementia. Previously, she had no dementia so it could be related to oxygen deprivation now that she is off her oxygen. However, before she stopped treatment and medication, she exhibited what seemed to be a psychotic break, similar to several such episodes she had in her life with a diagnoses of schizoaffective disorder. At this late stage of her disease, the medical team did not opt for psychiatric evaluation in a hospital (against her will). I agree with this, as she would struggle against that. As it is, she has refused any medication for depression or for the psychosis. This has been very upsetting, as I would like to have her with us longer. I have read online about elders refusing to eat and drink and that it could be a natural consequence of the body beginning to shut down its systems to prepare for death OR it could be a form of self-euthanizing. There is even an acronym: VSED (voluntarily stopping eating and drinking). Three weeks have gone by. She is still moving around the house, although she moans quite a bit from the labored breathing. She has lost a lot of weight, but had some extra so she is only now what I would consider "thin", not emaciated yet. It is difficult to see someone "wither away." I DO encourage her to eat and drink. The doctor said no "that will prolong her process of dying." The nurse said, yes "encourage her and keep the hope she may change course." Mom tolerates a little encouragement to eat, but basically seems to be annoyed by it. She says little and explains nothing.


The current problem is this: The same way she refused help at every phase of her illness to "do it herself", she is refusing hospice. She is refusing to have someone (including me) help her bathe. She is on week 3 and still comes out 2-3 times a day to sit and sip a little water and eat 6 bites of whatever. She is making it to the bathroom with great effort. At some point soon, she will be only able to stay in bed. I'm sure she will refuse help at that point as well. She can be very mean about it and has sent nurses away from palliative care. If she refuses to see the nurse tomorrow, they will cancel her palliative care and I will be completely on my own. When she is too weak to refuse, I will hire help. In the meantime, she has worn the same thing for 2 weeks and has not washed herself. I am allowing her as much peace as possible. She refuses to see family. I admit them in my home, nonetheless and let her decide to come out to see them or not. She is much annoyed at me for this. All of this is very emotionally draining, even though I have been encouraged (by some) to let her die the way that she wants. If dying is premature, its by a few months and maybe will allow her less malingering from her primary illness (C.O.P.D.)


My need is to keep her on palliative care so that we can easily transition to hospice through the same agency. Can I or should I insist to her that she must see the nurse? Should I encourage her to eat and drink? Is it most compassionate to just allow, allow, allow for her own end-of-life process? Do I allow her the solitude she seems to want or do I keep "sitting with her" with no sign that she likes it?


Thank you for reading!

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Thank you JanetP. Your comment helped validate our thoughts. We decided that tomorrow I will just let the sister come over and manage her relationship with my Mom her own way. Its my Mom's home, but not her house. So, I can let "sis" in the door and the rest is out of my hands. Its not like there is a falling out. Mom just decided she was not up to the impact (emotional most likely) of visits. But, "sis" flew Virginia to California to see Mom, a mere 3 weeks after losing her husband. I hope my Mom can surrender to the love!!! Or at least, appreciate the moment. Thank you.
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Niyah, since your mom is not operating normally, what if you just let her act out, but retire to her room is she feels like it? Why allow her to kick your sister out of the house? I'm not suggesting that you argue with her or even try to change her conduct. I'm just not understanding how a person who has little to no judgment should rule the household. I would be very compassionate, but not allow the inappropriate behavior to ruin the day or unnecessarily disrupt plans for her caregivers and other concerned family members.
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I went though almost the exact thing with my mom who was on oxygen for 3-4 years and stopped all schizoaffective disorder meds, but kept her oxygen on, she also had severe C.O.P.D. She would be mean to the nurse, and O yes she did refuse service, But she also was on pain medication and I would tell her i would give her 1 after she sees the nurse and that the nurse only wants to listen to her heart and lungs and that's all I did not tell my mom about hospice because of her schizophrenia I just told her the nurse was here or coming weather she liked it or not but bribing her with her pain pill helped greatly, My mom got so mean towards her end stages that she would tell me she hated me, but I knew she didn't, as for showers my mom couldn't because the hot water air would put her out of breath so she stopped and was just trying to hand wash till she was out of breath, she wouldn't let any body help either she felt independent also, But while in hospital on morphine, my sister and I took it in our hands to wash her up every section of her body including her private parts and Trust me I know she felt dirty and didn't want to stink dying. Oh she looked good with hair done, body cleaned, New johnnies About after a week she had passed. She weighed 80 pounds, I can relate to you on so many levels, I know it's hard but it does sound like the same with my mom she had giving up and didn't care anymore and just wanted to leave this world. you might try tricking her or just telling her as it is and that is what is needed in her condition, I wish you all the best, I know how draining it was for me because she was up all though the night and only took very short naps during the day I was on my toes 24/7, I know at that age which my mom was 71, it's hard to have to tell your mother what to do instead of her telling you what to do, but try telling her they just want to check her heart and it will only take a few minutes I wish you again the best I know how hard it is to deal with a loved 1, Try to stay healthy for yourself I know it's easier said then done.
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niyah, I went through this with my father, who had dementia and general decline from artery disease. He wouldn't see doctors, didn't want to bathe, ate and drank very little. It was like watching him slowly die sitting in his chair. He was a bit more compliant than your mother, so we were able to get him to take a shower at least once a week. We also got him some in-home OT and PT, which I think hurt him more than it helped. We were facing a hopeless situation because he didn't want to live any more. I know the tortured feelings you have. And I also know the responsibility you feel. If you're like me, you also feel anger to have to go through this and they won't even do anything. It's so hard.

We didn't force food and water on my father. We found that he liked finger foods better than full meals. Heavy food was hard on him. He did like cookies, snack cakes, ice cream treats, strawberries -- simple finger foods. He wasn't fond of drinking things, I believe because he didn't want to make extra trips to the bathroom. He would drink a bit, though, if we kept a bottle of water, soda, or ginger ale near his chair.

My father's body finally failed and we called 911 to take him to the ER. He passed in the hospital after four days. If he had lived, we would have moved him into skilled nursing care to continue his life. We did what we could do for him. When someone decides it is time to give up, we are left to watch and suffer while they go down. My greatest comfort was to remind myself that it was in God's hands now, so to let myself rest from the guilt I was feeling of not being able to help.
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It could be a combination of things: dementia, depression, and so on. My mother is the same age and is in a home right now because she stopped taking her blood pressure medications and wouldn't eat regularly (she's diabetic) and had poor blood sugar readings. It's a tough call. You don't want to prolong someone's life unnecessarily, but you also worry (or hope) that with just the right care they may pep up. My mother is on a new antidepressant, and we're hoping that helps. But sometimes people feel the end is near and prepare in their ways. Time will tell.
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A question: in your case, does Palliative care equate Hospice? If not, changing over to Hospice Care may be one of your solutions. Honestly, they don't question much of anything, and I've had the nurse just stand in the doorway and check Dad when he didn't want to see anyone. This can work if you have her POA for healthcare, and she's been determined to have dementia to the point of being unable to make legal and medical decisions. I'm on round two of Hospice, this year. First, with my dad, and now with Edna. After they stop eating, it doesn't take long for the loss of nutrition to effect the brain (remember, it's as much of a muscle as all the others in the body) to the point they really can't make "rational" decisions. I'm inclined to think that deciding not to eat as a method of exit is actually one of the least painful ways to go .. it's so slow, there's virtually no direct pain associated with it ... and she'll begin to sleep more and more, which will make ministering to her easier. Hang in there. Hold onto the love.

LadeeC
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Thank you Jessie. It helps to know someone else has gone through this. Its easy to feel like I am failing her; she is not that old. Then again, do we really want to live extra years falling apart? Thank you for saying "tortured feelings." One hour I feel peace, I know she will be "going home." Another hour, I am so sad to see her dropping pounds before my eyes. I used to be sooo relieved on the occasions we were able to stop chest pains with Nitro and possibly avoided a heart event. But, now I think, for some, going by heart attack is perhaps easier because its over fast. The problem of the day is that her sister flew across country to see her yesterday and she is saying no to seeing her. Any ideas, anyone? I thought I would invite the sister over (it is my house) and then tell Mom she can come out of her room or stay in, her choice, but I will be visiting my Ant in the living room.
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Is her sister bold enough to just go into her room to visit? Yes, your Mom may yell or chase her out, but your aunt will have a moment to see the true situation. This may be her only chance to see her sister and say good-bye - your Mom may or may not react positively to it.
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nivah321oki,

My good thoughts and prayers to you that it all works for the best tomorrow. I lost my dad 5 years ago today and had the opposite problem. My dad was in hospice and asking for his wife, my mom, to visit and she wouldn't go. None of this stuff makes sense for a lot of people. Lots of denial and grief all the way around. It's painful to witness and endure, and I mean ENDURE. I loved your comment about your mom surrendering to the love! I know your frustration and send you huge ((hugs))! Living in the moment is important, but disease or mental illness can rob us of the very thing we need the most. It is so very sad.
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niyah, ask her what she wants. If she says no hospital , then do not call 911. Get the MOLST form for your state and go over it with her. Our mom said no feeding tubes, no IV, no more ER, no machines of any kind. She just wanted nature to take it's course and to have pain meds when needed.
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