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I live at home with my 70 year old parents (I'm 40 and single due to my obligations here that make it difficult for me to have a life of my own). My mother retired a few years ago and has become increasingly worse since. Her and my father were everyone's ideal parents. They had a good time together. My dad has always been more social than my mother but was never a big issue. Now my father can't even go outside in the front yard without my mother accusing him of staring at our neighbor (woman) across the street. She also accuses him of staring at my sister in laws when they bring the kids to visit (he doesn't). He feels like a prisoner and has shown a decline in health because of this. He also has started sleeping on the couch and my brother caught my mom trying to record on her tablet at night to see if he sneaks out. I believe my mother has the beginning stages of Parkinson's. She is very suspicious of everything and plays the victim when shes the one that causes all the drama. My father has repeatedly told her that there is nothing going on with the neighbor to the point that he just doesn't acknowledge her accusations anymore. Shes gone as far as confronting the neighbor where she also told her that she has nothing to do with him...they dont even speak. But somehow she has put in her head that my 70 yr old father, with bad knees, sneaks out in the middle of the night to visit her. And that they have some sort of good night signals that they give. Its horrible. My father wants to leave but she always apologizes. Only to start it all again the following day. She gets upset when I tell her anything about it. She right away says that my brothers and I side and will cover for my father. She plays victim, starts crying and will throw out either "I'll leave so you can all be happy", or "sell the house so I can leave". Then its silence until she needs something from me. This has not only affected my ability to have a life of my own because they've become totally dependent on me for everything (they are still active and able to walk but have me run all their errands), and give me a hard time when I leave the house (guilt trips are given almost daily here), but she has also created friction with my brothers that they dont come over often just so they dont have to deal with the drama. Which again leaves me with the burden daily. I dont know what to do. I want to leave this house because it feels so toxic being here but I dont want to just leave my father. I'm also afraid of how my mother would handle it if she was alone knowing she was the reason for all this drama. She likes to say hurtful things to my father, but plays the victim when confronted. She refuses to get evaluated to see if its something that's making her like this. If that was the case, we'd be more educated on how to deal with it properly and know that this behavior isnt just her being a jerk to everyone...its actually a disorder. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for rambling but this is wearing me out.

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You blame it on both... they cannot say you are taking sides.
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get them both in for medical testing.. that way, it's not being looked upon as though one parent is not "right". both need to be medically evaulated. your mom may have a UTI.

HAVE BOTH PARENTS PHYSICALS DONE .. BLOOD WORK, UTI's, CAT SCANS ETC...

TELL DOCTOR, something is wrong with my parents... BOTH NEED COMPLETE CHECK UPS.

And then make sure you GET POA ON BOTH PARENTS, FINANCIAL AND MEDICAL.

TELL THEM YOU DO NOT CARE WHO STARTED IT.. THEY BOTH ARE GETTING TESTED, AND YOU ARE TAKING CONTROL, AND YOU NEED POA ON MOM AND DAD
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Recently, since Covid, my DH is working from home and I would hear him talking to this one employee, Mike.
DH would be angry for awhile and then very calm. Like trying to talk to someone with difficulty hearing or understanding. I know this guy Mike. Have met him and his wife at social functions over the years. Funny, sweet, smart guy. But something was going on. DH would say Mike messed up again, cost the company money, Yada, yada. Going to have to let him go. Can’t believe he keeps messing up. One day I told DH. You need to call his wife. There is something wrong with him. He was on an assignment out of town. Wife several states away. DH said he wasn’t comfortable doing that.
This has been going on for months. The next day, the wife calls DH. MIke is very sick, she says. She went to visit him and he’d lost 35 lbs. Mike goes home with his wife to go to his doctor. A couple of days later he had a seizure. Turns out he has a GBM brain tumor. Cancer. They think he has a few months to live.
As CM said, this is a major change in behavior. Do what you have to do to get her checked out. You can leave, your dad can leave, brothers can stop visiting, none of that will stop your mothers illness from progressing. Something is very wrong.
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MargaretMcKen Oct 2020
Just following on from 97yearold mum’s comments about Mike.. I did some heavy work for a federal Government department that funded child care, which had for years been treated as a place to shunt non-acheivers (until they realised that the budget was getting serious). One employee was just hopeless, and then took some sick leave. His wife came in unexpectedly to see the CEO, to say that he was retiring and to thank him for the staff’s tolerance with his dementia. He had just been accepted for a facility. No-one in the Department had registered just what was going on!
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Good heavens.

The OP's mother is a very nice lady - "everyone's ideal parents" - who until comparatively recently worked full-time. She is now experiencing paranoia and quite extreme anxiety, which is completely unlike her. It is a major CHANGE in her, and it needs professional evaluation.

Preferably starting with a CT scan, would be my hope.

Ginaq, even if your father can't persuade her to attend an appointment with him, he should discuss this with a medically qualified practitioner and get some informed advice.
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MargaretMcKen Oct 2020
I didn't dawn on me that this is one of the things we get told to beware of - a complete change in behavior. If people are like they always were except worse, it's probably dementia in process. If it's new, there's a good chance it's medical. Perhaps my 'week away for Dad' may still be a possible way to get her to a doctor. Well done, CM!
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You are NOT obligated to stay where you are. Get out. Get a job. Leave the drama alone.
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Ginaq79 Oct 2020
The obligated feeling is deep rooted. Most hispanic families grow up expecting things to be like this (responsible for taking care of our aging parents). And I do have a job, a business of my own actually (Autobody shop) that also requires a lot from me, mentally and physically. I came to this forum to connect with others that may be going through a similar situation or already went through this and can give me some tips or guidance...honestly reassurance that me wanting a life of my own isn't as selfish as I think it is. What you suggested is obviously easier said than done and wish that I had the ability to remotely think it was as simple without being cold about it.
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Gina, thank you for your reply to my post suggesting a week away for your father. You say “My only fear is that she would get depressed and do something drastic and I'd feel guilty..”. Fear Obligation and Guilt (FOG) are what keep so many of us locked into an intolerable situation. Have a look at https://www.agingcare.com/questions/fog-fear-obligation-guilt-433762.htm

Your mother’s best years are behind her. Her own life is not enjoyable, she is sucking most pleasures out of your life, and she may well kill your father. She is going to get worse, and because she is relatively young it could go on for over 20 years. The chances of her ‘doing something drastic’ are not high. In fact the week away could turn things around for the better. But if the unlikely result is that she does end her life, it is not the worst thing that could happen. The worst thing is that she lives on in misery and makes life intolerable for the rest of the family.

Please think again. Love Margaret
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Ginaq79 Oct 2020
Thanks Margaret, I will check that link.
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Gina, your moms brain is broken. She needs to be tested. If she won’t get tested, you can’t help her. You can’t help someone who doesn’t want to be helped.

Your dad has to convince her to get help. I would suggest moving out. They could easily live to be 100 years old. My mother is 96 and my best friends father is 98. That is the reality.

Move out!! Live your life. Have a baby!! Find someone to spend the rest of your life with.

The choice is yours.
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Sounds like a nightmare! So sorry that you are struggling with this. As much as you try you can’t change her behavior. You are going to have to work on your reaction to it.

Yes, easier said than done, I know. It will take a bit of practice but when you are able to move forward you will look back and see that you are in no way responsible for changing her behavior towards your dad.

Yes, indeed it is awfully sad and I truly empathize with you about the entire situation. Reach out for help if you need guidance from a professional therapist.

Be open and willing to hear an objective point of view. The circumstances will remain but it can change your way of thinking on it. That is a life changing experience for the better!

Best wishes to you and your family.
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Why have you chosen to give up your whole entire life for your parents? This is not how your life is supposed to be, nor how your parents should WANT your life to be. Our goal, as parents, is to raise our children to become independent and productive members of society; to have families of their own and to move on with the circle of life that way. You've taken on the role now as the parent, and they as your children.

Your mother sounds like she's suffering from dementia and paranoid delusions about what your father is doing. Not to mention a healthy dose of passive/aggressive behavior thrown in to keep YOU feeling guilty, off track, and not knowing which end is up. She may have always displayed this type of behavior and nowadays it's worsened b/c of other mental or health issues being contributing factors.

https://www.liveyourtruestory.com/examples-of-passive-aggressive-behaviour-communication/

Your mother badly needs a medical evaluation and your father deserves for her to have one. This is something HE needs to push for and something HE needs to drive her to, although you can be present if she allows it. The issues that are going on are, in reality, between your mother and father...........and are affecting YOUR sanity because you're stuck in the middle. Your father may want to call 911 during one of her rants and have her taken to the hospital for a psych eval.

I'd move out, if it were me, letting your dad know you're always available for him, but that it's time you forge a life of your own. Your mother's mental health issues, whether they're dementia related or something else, is not your problem. You can't fix this. Only SHE can choose to do what SHE needs to do to get a medical evaluation and move on from that diagnosis, you know? Your father can choose to divorce her or give her an ultimatum: either you go to the doctor or I'm putting the house on the market and moving to an apartment. That kind of thing. Sometimes it's necessary for a wake up call to be issued for ALL concerned.

I sincerely hope that you can detach yourself from this situation to some degree so that you will allow yourself to have a full life. You deserve to. Your life is just as important as their lives. Just because they are having issues does not mean YOUR life stops. You've already put your life on hold; things aren't going to get better from here. It's up to dad to figure things out moving forward.

My father chose to live with my mother for 68 years & she treated him like a dirty dish rag. I hated that, with every ounce of my being. But after many years, I realized something: it was HIS choice to stay with her. There wasn't a darn thing I could do to change those dynamics, either. As she progressed with her dementia, her behavior only WORSENED towards him but he STILL chose to take it. I think when he died in 2015 he finally broke free from the abuse he chose to endure for all those decades. I know he's at peace now, thank God

Wishing you all the best of luck moving forward.
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Ginaq79 Oct 2020
Thank you for your reply. I grew up with a family thinking its our responsibility when we became adults that we had to then care for our parents. My brothers escaped and left me there lol. I hate having in the back of my head that they won't be able to support themselves if im not there. They don't drive, aren't very tech savvy, so im the one running errands and paying their bills (the process, not financially). I do want a life of my own and at 40 (41 on Halloween), I've probably missed out on my chances on having children. The guilt trips are the worse.
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Your mother's brain is broken. She is deserving of a psychiatric evaluation to see if medication can ease some of the agitation, panic and paranoia.

Please talk to her doctor about an involunary psychiatric evaluation.

I have a dear friend who became dangerously depressed a few years ago. Things finally got so bad that her husband and one of her adult daughters pushed her into a cab and took her, screaming and crying to the psychiatric emergency room at a large NYC hospital, where she was immediately admitted. It was clear that something was very VERY wrong, although my friend was having none of that.

Talk to mom's doctor and tell him (and show him in recordings) your mother's actions and rants.

Good luck.
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Ginaq79 Oct 2020
Thank you for your reply. I have attempted to get her dr to talk to her about this. I am not on her paperwork so im not allowed to discuss her medical treatment or anything but I just asked the advice nurse over the phone to please put a note in there somewhere for her next appointment for the dr to at least bring it up. From what my mom told me, he did but she of course lied and turned it all around and made herself the victim and that my father was being mean to her. She refuses to get checkednout because apparently "thats a way for you guys to get rid of me". It hurts because I just want my family back but shes pushing everyone away and fails to accept its her doing.
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70 is not old. There are all kinds of physical things that could be causing this behaviour. Thyroid, UTI, Dementia, etc. She needs a good physical with labs to rule out something physical that a med can take care of. A neurological exam would not hurt.

I am not an expert on Parkinson's but do have a couple of friends who suffer with it. Symptoms you are describing weren't prevalent in the beginning. One has suffered with it at least 25 years. His speech has been effected but his mind is still there. The other's diagnoses was more recent. I really feel she has had it longer but I think its hard to diagnose. Now, she seems to be suffering mentally but she also has been in and out of hospitals and is permanently in a NH under quarantine because she has been in and out of the hospital and no visitors allowed. I think this has effected her mentally. Both friends are 71.

Parkinsons and Lewy body Dementia can mimic each other. You need to make sure which is which. In an article I read, I think this is the way it goes, a Parkinsons medication can kill a person suffering from Lewy Body. So you need to be sure which one the person actually is suffering from.
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Ginaq79 Oct 2020
HI JoAnn, correct she is not that old and thankfully is still able to move around and such but that also is taken for granted. She chooses to sit all day and watch trash tv that doesn't help her situation (snapped, shows of murders and cheating spouses, etc). She doesn't even cook or clean much anymore. My father has to do it.
She brought up that her thumb twitches uncontrollably to her dr and he expressed that it wasnt bad enough to put her on Parkinsons medication because she already takes meds for diabetes and high blood pressure. But I think the mental part of Parkinson may be showing up the worst IF thats truly what's going on. She has had a very bad UTI where I had her rushed to the hospital one night when my father wasn't able to get her to respond. She had no normal symptoms of a UTI but I recall her having chills and a headache earlier that day before I left for work.
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Your mother is mentally ill. The cause of it could almost literally *anything.*

For immediate purposes, accept that your mother genuinely believes her misperceptions (I don't want to use any kind of technical term, see above). The impact her illness has on others is bad enough, God knows, but imagine what it feels like inside her head! It must be dreadful in there - hurt, angry, fearful, heaven knows what's going on. And, crucial to note, the cause could be physical/organic and not related to aging/personality/emotions at all.

Will your father consult his doctor about this? - he might get useful advice about how to persuade/coax/convince/ultimately force your mother into at least an initial consultation. Maybe they could have a joint visit? - he could ask her to go with him?
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Ginaq79 Oct 2020
Thank you for thr response. They have different health plans but I believe my father would join her if the dr recommended it. The hardest part is getting her to get evaluated. I know it must be so confusing in her head because she whole heartedly believes all these things are going on. No matter how much we try to reassure her that its not. We just want her checked out so we can do the best we can and understand what we are dealing with.
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Your father wants to leave. Your mother doesn’t have to face the results of her behaviour, because she apologises and then it’s back to square one, almost immediately. Your father needs to leave for at least a week so that she can’t avoid facing what she is doing. You need to find him a holiday, a visit to another sibling,a visit to hospital, respite care – anything. You stay, and really rub in that it is her fault.. You don’t pick up the jobs your father normally does, you let her experience being effectively on her own. Then you and your father set up some preconditions before he can or will come back, and visit to the doctor is top of the list. You write to the doctor before the appointment to set out the problems, so he knows what he is dealing with. Following doctor’s orders is next on the list.

This is the first step, and it’s virtually the only way to start. The other way is to wait for things to go seriously pear shaped under their own steam, but that can be a bit cruel (particularly to your father).

Think it through – you may be able to come up with a better strategy, but this is at least one to consider. Good luck, Margaret
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Ginaq79 Oct 2020
Thank you Margaret... I was just talking to my brother about having my father stay somewhere for a week to not only give him some rest but for her to realize she will truly be alone if she keeps this up. My brother also had that conversation with her last night but again, I think she doesnt think my dad would leave so she takes everything for granted. My only fear is that she would get depressed and do something drastic and I'd feel guilty about putting her through it just to prove a point. Its just a mess.
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Do you have a job? Why are you living with them? You have a brother. Are there other siblings?
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Ginaq79 Oct 2020
I actually have a business so yes, I do work. I live with them because they don't drive, don't know how to really use technology, and ha e been dependent on my siblings and I since we learned how to drive. The guilt trips I've gotten when I moved out in the past were bad. It was one of the few times my father cried and his words were something along the lines of him and my mom not making it together without us there as buffers...this was about 15 years ago. My 2 brothers refuse to move back home for fear they will be stuck with them because they know I'd leave. They hardly come by because of the friction my mother causes. They see my poor father dealing with this and it of course bothers them. My sister in laws didn't like coming over either because my mother would accuse my father of flirting or staring at them lust fully when they were over and they really care about my father and didn't want to start any issues for him. So this of course has put a huge strain on things because my father loves to be social and around family and now he doesnt even get to go out to the front yard to walk any of us out after visiting because my mother will yell at him after for "staring at the woman across the street". My brother just got a dog a few months ago and when he's over, he signals when he needs to go out to go bathroom, well she yells at him for walking the dog outside so many times. There's no winning with her.
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Oh, so sorry for you being dragged into this.

70 is not old, but your mom is showing some really BIG signs she's not OK mentally.

Starting with a complete physical, including psych exam (good luck with that!) you need a baseline to mom's health. She's having delusions that are making you dad sad and probably depressed.

Once you rule out illness, then you deal with the mental decline--maybe she needs some psych meds to calm the delusional behavior.

Dad is really the one who needs to have the say. You be supportive, but sounds like dad is on top of things and this is his call. If mom cannot be helped by meds/therapy, then perhaps she needs to live elsewhere.

At age 70--she could easily have 15-20 more years of this, and it won't likely get better.

I'm sorry you have given up your life for them. I bet it's wearing you out!
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Ginaq79 Oct 2020
Beyond burnt out, its like dealing with kids. Especially when they are both agitated and start to argue. I've asked her to get checked out, right now her excuse is covid and not wanting to go to the dr. Which I totally understand, but they have alternative ways like via Zoom and such. My biggest issue is that she won't tell the dr everything and will pass it off as my father being the problem. She is quite the actress when she needs to be. We have an aunt (her sister) that is pretty horrible with her family (2 out of 4 of her kids no longer speak to her), and my mother would always say what a good actress she was at playing victim and getting away with a lot...im starting to see it may be hereditary. Lord please let it skip me cuz I can't fathom the thought of putting someone i love through this mess.
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