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It sounds to me as if she is clinically depressed.
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Cannottakethis May 2021
Yes. She refuses to see a psychiatrist. She still views mental health as "crazy". I think the stigma is still common in her age group. She is on an antidepressant. But, a pill by itself won't completely help clinical depression. I have it too.

The negative attitude has always been there.

Suggestions get slammed down without a second thought. That is the most frustrating part.

I have spent hundreds on items to help her boredom.

I got her a Netflix account and she refuses to use it.

I know about being kind and so on, but the frustration makes it hard.
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Yes very common complaint. I have learned loads on this site on dealing with negativity. It has taken a long time but I have made a few changes which made things more bearable. My 92 year old Father tried to guilt trip me into taking him out of care. He's in denial of how bad things were.
I refused to take part in any discussion about going home. Just left when it started. I don't ask anything and change subject when he complains. I stay positive and upbeat. Talk about TV programmes. The past and the other residents.
I still take deep breaths of energy before going in too.
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Be careful here. What I find happens is that we have a tendency to take on the other persons energy. If it is very negative that will bleed over into your personality. I have found that when I now approach my mother I take a few seconds and think about all things I am grateful for in my life first. Sort of like a good shot of a positive energy boost. Then mom can be negative all she wants. I have stopped letting her dictate to me what my emotions are going to be. I am currently caring for her with in home Hospice. I do understand that she at the age of 93 can not do the things she used to do and it must be very frustrating for her and I can empathize with that but I will not let it change me. Empathy yes, change my mood no. She has always been a negative person and that has just magnified 100 fold since she has become ill. I myself have always been very positive and I will remain that way. It took a while for me to accomplish this but with practice it can be done.
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anonymous828521 Nov 2018
Thats awesome! I needed that myself! so thanks very much zimco13. I'm overly empathetic,& you're right: it has caused me to absorb VERY bad energy from my mother. (I just didn't know what was happening!) Now that I understand, I can do better😀. God bless.
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Reading through these - there must be a lot of narcissistic mothers/fathers out there.  My mother lives with me and I think she is getting worse about never being happy.  Her birthday is coming up - she will be 92.  I told her I took the day off to spend it with her and she retorted she didn't want anymore birthdays - she was tired.  Made me sad but it would probably be a blessing if the good  Lord took her home.  She's never been happy and has clung onto me for 20+ years.  Yes I allowed it and lately I'm kicking myself for giving up some of the best years of my life with no privacy, and taking care of all her emotional needs.  Being the friend, the confidant (while she complained about ALL the other family members), trying to control everything I do and always criticizing me.  Now I just want PEACE in my life!  I'm NO spring chicken at 58 - and some days I feel like a 108.  I feel I absorb her negative energy.   Geez the other day I brought home over $100.00 in groceries..did I get a "thank you"...NOPE.  Only why did I buy an extra box of oatmeal - we already had one.  Some days I wish I could just run away!   Good luck and God Bless everyone.
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anonymous828521 Nov 2018
So true, you describe it perfectly. (How mother clings to me: like I'm HER mother). Sounds like we have the same situation, God help us.✌
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My mom was the same, and it went on for years.
I tried so many "tactics" to alleviate things, but want to share the one thing that actually did help a little.
It was when I simply stopped even trying to reason with her, and stopped arguing her, and just more or less agreed with her, that "Yes - It must be really hard getting old. I understand. It's sad not being able to do what you want. And it must be so tiring to do many things. I sure wish we could make you young again. If I could, I would." (stuff like that) And remind them that you love them.

That actually tended to shut the complaining down somewhat. I think they sometimes simply want empathy.
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anonymous828521 Nov 2018
Thats a great observation☺, & I did read that once, on a mental health page, that people just want to feel "heard". (The trouble is when the elderly just dump on you constantly, &I no longer want to hear). Society has forgotten the caregiver, like we are some kind of robot without feelings & needs. But thanks for sharing what helped you.☺
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My 94 yr old mother-child did a complete 180 degree personality change, from sweet to an emotional vampire. Her negativity totally drains me, yet I feel obligated to maintain daily phone calls, exposing myself to her negativity and lack of reasoning (exactly like your mom). Mother blames everything on the fact that I moved her to a different state (to be close to family) and made her quit driving. Anyway, after months of visiting this wonderful website, I finally got her to a doctor and YES, she did have a UTI!! After a round of meds, she has returned (mostly) to her former, nicer self. I'm still walking on eggshells, but the shells are a bit thicker now.
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Need to gripe. I suppose I shouldn't complain because mom (95 yo-stage 6 Alz.- in the memory care facility) has been in pretty good spirits lately. But, hoo-wee, she was a grump on Saturday. She said, "I'm MAD!" but wouldn't (or couldn't) answer what about. We brought her an ice cream sundae and she spit it all over her shoes. She wrinkled up her nose and didn't want to be touched. Of course, it was the one day that my step daughter accompanied us. She was blown away. She just kept smiling. Mother said, "Take me back to the chair inside. I want to go to sleep." Pleasant dreams, Mom. Maybe a nap will make you more pleasant.
Needless to say, the visit was short and the sundae was thrown in the trash after melting to liquid. Some days you luck out and others you loose.

Sigh, I hope I'll be a happy old lady.
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anonymous828521 Nov 2018
I know what you mean. I hope I'll never leave those kind of awful memories to my children. ✌
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I wish I really knew! I try to redirect my mom and remind her of all the reasons she lives there now. I take her out for ice cream and we drive around talking about her only (she doesn’t care about anyone else at this point). It wears her out. I give her lots of hugs and tell her if she’ll take a shower, we’ll go somewhere fun again soon. Your mom is lonely and misses you-like a kid they complain for attention.
Just my experience.
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anonymous828521 Nov 2018
No more emotional vampire for me. I've enjoyed taking care o many people over the years, but they were 'pleasantly confused', not nasty every day. I'm a human being with feelings too.
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yes this is my mother also. Will not go to assisted living. Is 84. Always complains and has a new problem and dr can not find things wrong. She has lost her friends and complains about the hair dresser and lawn boy but will not change them. She was always a bitter lady- narcissistic only child.
It is going to take her having a medical emergency and then go to a nursing home she does not want but will have to because she can not live alone per dr orders with her broken hip/heart/etc.
She will not give me her power of attorney paper so i will have to come from out of town and to the house to get it in her safeby that time she may not still be alive.
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DJ9876543 Jul 2019
My mother is the same with her POA, so i will have to drive in to get it out of her safe- and that is her choice. If there are consequences to her not getting the care she would need- it is how she set it up for herself when her children do not have the POA with them then. Sad but true.
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Welcome to my world. Mother called tonight and said the people at her assisted living facility had unplugged her lift chair and it wouldn't recline. When I told her we'd call them and have them plug it back in, she furiously told me no, that I needed to drive over and plug it up because they wouldn't do it. Then she went on a tirade about wanting to go back home, that they don't like her at her ALF, about how she should have never moved there, about how she was going to call and have someone from back home come and get her, and on and on.

When I told her she can't go home because she can't lift herself out of a chair, she changed the subject to the "terrible" care she gets. We called about the lift chair, and they simply walked into her room and plugged it back in.
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IzzyB1313 Sep 2018
Im so sorry you have to deal with this. She sounds a lot like my mother. She's constantly complaining about the staff stealing from her. They never give her medication, they are sabotaging her. Every day she wants to go home or have her own apartment. Oh, sure!
She spends all her time complaining, calling and texting until our VM is full. It's really difficult.
I feel for you. I really do.
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Oh my. I feel like I could have written this. My mother is EXACTLY the same way. Never happy about anything. Every time I talk to her it's been her "worst week ever". Every visit is the same: never asks anything about how my life is going, how my husband is, how her grandkids and greatgrands are. Nothing. I used to tell her things that were going on in my life but she'd just skip right over it and turn the conversation back to her and her complaints, so now I don't even bother. She just launches into a tirade of how bad everything is and her list of things I need to do for her. I wish I had good advice or a solution. It's definitely exhausting. Prayers and (((hugs))) Hang in there!
EDIT: I just saw how old this thread was. To the OP, I hope by now things have improved in your life!
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SusieB72 Aug 2018
Omgosh. You just described my life with my mom. She doesn't suffer from dementia, but she is 87, and very demanding. I have recently noticed how negative she has become. Every time I talk to her, which is about 4 times daily, because she calls me, she complains constantly, and tells me to call people for her. Tells me to do things for her, and i'm tired of it! I will do things she needs, but sometimes it feels like she's bored, so she sends me on a wild goose chase. She wanted me a come overevery day, to do things for her, such as taking out her trash, vacuuming, putting groceries away. So, I hired her a housekeeper, now she has me calling people on her behalf. Until, I read your comment, I thought I was the only one going through this. Thanks for opening my eyes!
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We took my mother out for my birthday yesterday. We ordered her 1 glass of wine. She said the AL doesn't serve wine anymore. Really doubt they ever did. Then she said they stopped serving rolls which she told me she never eats. She is overweight. Then she said the staff is reduced in order to save money. There are always little digs. She could have remained on her own longer if she had taken care of herself which she didn't do for decades. I just let it slide over me. I can't make her young and realistic the last trait she never had.
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All we can do is strive for balance, not letting their troubles overtake us. I'm thankful we have nursing homes & assisted care, cuz it takes a whole team of pros to manage old people. Also, it's better to have strangers care for elder family (when they're nasty & won't cooperate). My mother treats the staff there better than me for sure, but I've heard that's common. Lately I'm able to accept her condition & believe she doesn't mean me any harm. (Had to let go of wishing we have a good relationship, cuz we never did). & Now it's too late.
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She's probably related to me. No, sorry, I've just been told I have a very negative attitude. Trying to work on it. Pessimist by nature, I guess. Your mom, I don't know. I'd have to try to be armchair psychologist, which I'm not by any means. Others' comments are probably far more helpful.
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anonymous828521 Nov 2018
I know what you mean 'Cats4ever', It's hard to be positive if we're affected by negative people, (or even the daily news). Unplug when u can: I listen to Joel Osteen on you tube, & always get blessed. He's on many tv channels too.
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Can empathise with you. Negativity really gets to me. My Father is in care facility. Complains about everything and makes up stories to try to convince me. Very draining. He is waiting to see mental health service as doctor would not prescribe anti depressant before he speaks with them. Crazy as he's 92 and will just tell them a load of lies.
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anonymous828521 Jul 2018
Its good that you're having him evaluated to get meds that may help. Prob the Dr realizes that they lie, (mine doesn't even think she lies either!) It must be senility. I'm staying "low contact" so I can preserve my own life. I used to wish we had a relationship, but we never did. Now it's too late. Hang in ther.
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I'm glad you shared, cuz it sounds just like what I have going on. (Really odd that there's no happy old ladies)? I'm sure it's got something to do with the meds, & that they are angry about being old. Just my opinion tho. It's ok to avoid her tho, you're doing the right thing: so it won't destroy your personality also. God bless. ☝
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Yes, yes, yes. My mom is angry all the time and makes up lies, that she thinks is actually true. Watch for UTI's, have her tested all the time since it's "whacks" out older people. Changes in medications will effect her as well. Get to know the people at the assisted living, perhaps they have a social worker that might help you and your mom. But doesn't sound like your mom would be receptive. My mom is also VERY stubborn, major problem with control, or having someone help her. She is NOT aging gracefully, nor acceptance of physical & mental alignments. I want to walk away, sometimes I do. However, I'm always back to take care and see her. We all need a break, take one, it's OK . It's hard with our elderly loved ones and no one knows until they are in our "shoes". I hope this helps.. your not alone.
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hayleyamberw Jul 2018
Well she fired me. At first I was angry but now as time went on...im kinda relieved. I've NVR Been fired from a job in my life. It is what it is. My mother has done nothing but verbally & emotionally abuse since i was 8. I had been gone for 5 years. It took me a couple months to realize how much has changed. It's not anything good either. I have enuf of my own personal stuff going on. I didn't do or say anything to deserve to b treated like garbage.
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Mine is...gets so old...im not a negative person personally & I avoid them types at all costs. She hates everybody & gossips constantly about her own kids..etc. I asked her if she likes herself? Hates & be littles gay people...black people,etc. We are native American & she acts white.... but she is handicapped & smokes 24/7. Blames the drs for her amputation...not her smoking....i could go on forever. But yeah negativity is some people's normalcy of everyday living !
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I have the same with my mom...the " oh, you're always right, and I don't know anything". Your last couple sentences is how I feel several times a week! She is so nasty to me, and turns everything I say into something she needs to defend. Doesn't act like that with my husband, just me. I would never recommend letting your Mom move in like I did! Guess I'm looking for the same answers as you are.
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Smcowart Jul 2018
My mom is exactly like yours only she DOES live with me. She is as sweet as can be with my husband and my siblings, but says I tell her what do do
and I’m always right. She tells everyone I’m her boss and don’t get her help. I’m now on meds to help with my depression and anxiety over her care. I have tried to involve her in activities both here and at a senior citizen center, but she does not interact with others due to her dementia. Hardest thing I’ve ever done! Trying to hang on as long as I can.
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I forgot to mention that mom suffers from dementia as well. She takes meds for depression and still is always negative. She doesn't bathe like she should, eat like she should or take care of herself. I think it is just to make me feel bad but I have to realize that it is just the disease. I pray never to become like her but fear I am. I think what we are going thru is normal and it is the disease's effects on us.
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PrairieLake Aug 2018
I am really sympathetic to you. My father needed more than antidepressants. An antipsychotic was added, and he began to be less angry and negative. Then the doc discontinued it to see how he would do since he was more settled in the nursing home. He began to have all those problems again. He has vascular dementia with delusions.

He complains about everything. We can visit for about 20 minutes. After that he starts talking about all kinds of injustices, near death experiences, (none are true). So we just say we need to go. There is no arguing with him, trying to help him see the good side of anything. We just tell him we are on his side, we love him and we are happy he is safe.
He just can’t handle any one disagreeing with him, he really believes what he is saying. For example, he thinks he got a bad haircut in the nursing home and refuses to let him cut his hair for $15.00. So he is cutting his own hair with his shaver. And he has a lot of beautiful thick white hair.

Dementia destroys brain cells. The cells that give us executive reasoning. You can not argue with dementia.
We are all on a very sad journey if someone we love has dementia.
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I am in almost, your exact shoes! I have not yet been able to convince mom to go to a home. Your emotions are normal and I must agree that you need to stop feeling so guilty (easier said than done, I know). It seems no matter what we are feeling our moms will be feeling much worse. My mom says she knows what I go thru, however she moved 2000 miles away from her mom at the age of 22. However, she forgets that. Nothing makes her happy and looking back I don't ever remember her being truly happy, ever. I guess the negativity is new for your mom but not mine. Try to remember the good times and believe that even tho she doesn't act like it, she does appreciate what you do. When the end comes you will know that you did everything that you could for her. It is ok to pull back and take a break. Your family shouldn't suffer and unfortunately they do. Hang in there, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your mom.
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anonymous828521 Jul 2018
Appreciate what you shared. Mine also has been very critical & negative, since I was a little girl. She even used to make fun of the few friends I had. She was always in a scrap with the neighbors too. Looking back, it all seems so sad that we were isolated cuz of her. I'm the child she disliked & now I'm the only one left to call her. (Not often)
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Perhaps the loved one has a different take on the facility because they know it is not their familiar house.
A part of them knows they need more help, and life as they knew it has changed. Not many like change. Especially after living at home for decades.
I know my mom was always scared to death of nursing homes. I think she equates that with the big horrible mental institutions of the past. She always insisted she would rather die than go to one. But she put her grandmother in one, and saw she was taken care of just fine.
I also think she knew NH was the end of the line. That in and of itself is very scary. 
Perhaps when the negativity starts, you gently remind the person that the visit will cease. And mean it. I think that might help. You don't have to be abused mentally. And then feel guilty for not wanting to be abused.
I'd give them fair warning to change the subject. Talk about something else. If not have a nice day. Get up and go. Especially if they are not mentally abusing the staff. I'
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Have you concidered she might have depression on top of dementia? If she is that negative to the point you can't tolerate it, then there is a problem.
Depression is often underdiagnosed or ignored.
I'd talk to doc about it. Don't let him poo, poo you it's nothing if it's not nothing.
Is she just negative to you, or all the staff, all the time?
As far as dressing, showering etc. There are staff that help with those things. They can help remind her its shower time. Then pick out her night clothes and lay out the morning clothes. Call them. The staff is there for that. It is their job.
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I deal with the same thing 100% but my mom is living with me. She has a caregiver now 3x a week but still guilts me if I don’t do something for her and is very envious that I can have a life. I have an 8 1/2 yr old and Husband, and she is extremely selfish.
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bettina Dec 2018
I wonder if a lot of the negativity in some seniors is due to jealousy . They haven't developed hobbies or social ties with others. They think that complaining will fill their children with guilt so that they care for them non
stop and give up their lives.

I've found that when I'm in any crisis, my father's needs skyrocket or
he acts as if I'm a mentally challenged whiner. Either approach is
terribly stressful, and sends home the message, only his needs matter.

The frustrating thing is it was the same throughout my childhood, my
parents needs were the only thing that mattered. And both of my parents
abandoned their own parents without visiting them. That seems to be
a pattern for a lot of needy narcissistic parents as well.
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Yes..the guilt is there with me also everyday..I don't know what else to do but pray..
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She is very frustrated, she is in her own previous life. I came from other country 27 years ago, I had some feeling as she has now. You are a wonderful daughter, believe yourself, do not get frustrated like us. When you are visiting her, just be a daughter, do not try to do the care giver's job, all the work should belong to other people, like pursued her to eat, ask her to stay in the chair, toilet her, explain to her what is right and what is wrong, please just be a daughter, give her a hug, a kiss, if she wants something, ask a caregiver to do it, do not try to be a superpower , just be a daughter. Ask her if she is cold or hot, thirsty or hungery, happy or angry, ask her if she needs extra pair of sucks, shoes, clothes, ask her if she needs blanket, or pillow case, ask her if she wants to get some fresh air...... If she does, please let her know that you will bring it asap or do it right away.
No matter what she says, believe her, believe her, you are the only person she trusts, believe her. Your eye will show her your heart, even the person who has been diagnosed as dementia, they know how we treat them, they know from our eyes, face expression and body figures.

I am a RN, I have my own assisted living, love the resident, love, love, believe, believe, things will change, life will move on.
Smile!
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Does she have depression? Is that the med/s the doc is adjusting? I would ask the nurse if a psychiatrist is prescribing the med? The reason is that some docs underprescribe the correct dose. Then say it's not doing anything. Nothing more I can do. It's because they don't know the correct therapeutic dosage. The dose can be adjusted, or another one added. I would find out what her dose is, as well as other meds and see if it is can be increased. What is the normal range for that particular medication. A lot of times the caretaker has to be very proactive in the care of a loved one.
If the negativity is too great, I would limit the visit time for your own sanity. It will start to rub off on you, and effect your health. Good luck.
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normal, normal. Your mother sounds like my mom. she treats me like i am her servant. She always says negative things. At least you can sleep at night and regroup yourself. When you have to deal with that 247, it is not a pretty picture
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Dear Rosses, Honestly, I think you should quit your caregiving “job” and return to the workplace. Your mother is running and ruining your life, and you are so entitled to have a beautiful life! She is not thinking of your well being when she suggests you have not fulfilled your mission as a woman. Give me a break! She is controlling and keeping you subservient. I have also got a “prize-winning mother,” but after counseling, much reading, this site, and lots of self-work, I have started to emerge as a free, whole person. It is not perfect but so much better. I am glad you feel like you are doing the right thing for your mother, but I hope you revisit that. She is taking your life and you need to enjoy your life in the way you design it. Shame on her—she will never change. Not ever. So, please try and get a new plan and make it one that is for YOU. Ask yourself, “If my mother were not in my life, what would I be doing? What would I want to do?” See if you have any realizations that are helpful. Take care and please let us hear how you are doing. I care and so do so many others. This is the hardest work of your life!
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Thanks for what you said, its very kind.
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