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I have tried almost ever approach imaginable with providing the Political Facts from numerous reliable sources, but they keep referring to either Fox News or News Max for their referencing.


They have definitely been brain washed with their Evangelistic beliefs which Fox News/New Max has reinforced by giving them more reasons to confirm that they could NOT be wrong!


I was hopping that the relationship between Trump & Putin of more than friendship with the current events of Putin's invasion of Ukraine where their destroying & killing any opposition, that the evidence would give them reason to question their believe that Trump is NOT the anointed one. I'm not getting through. Any suggestions?

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Left of center NYC Jew here. Reporting.

We all have a right to our opinions.
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My Dad said you never discuss sex,politics or religion~
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AlvaDeer Mar 2022
I love this. My favorite podcast out there is called Death, Sex and Money. And that is what is discussed. Everything from a program on a divorce or on cheating to one about a girl who steals for a living. And the point of the series is that we don't talk about it ENOUGH. I agree, this Forum is not the place for it. But I think in general life, our lack of avoiding these subjects does us no good, and keeps us ignorant about how much COMMON ground we actually have when we different folk get together and talk.
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If there is anything I have learned in my 63 years,, it is that you are never going to change anyones mind... so let it go
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Here's how you reason with a right-wing, Trump-supporting "Christian".

You don't. There is no way to reason with these people. They do not want to hear or see facts or truths. Don't try. They are not worth falling on your sword for because their minds will never be changed.
It is what it is.
If they are your relatives and you're around them, do not allow the conversation to get anywhere near political. Shut it down straight away. If you can't then walk away. Whatever you do, never engage them and never allow yourself to be led into a discussion that is in any way controversial or political. If the only topic left to discuss is the weather then so be it. This often happens with these kinds of people.
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MountainMoose Mar 2022
Preach, BurntCaregiver. That exactly what I came to this thread to write.
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The most valuable book I ever read in college was Aristotle's The Art of Persuasion (in a Rhetoric class). The point of discussing politics is not to argue or bash people on the head with opinions but to find common ground and make your case for why you believe what you believe in a respectful manner, with facts, data and precendent, and then be a good listener. The point is to pursuade them to believe what you do. If you can't support or defend your position then maybe you don't know why you believe what you do. Good debate is very stimulating and edifying. Those who label others and then put them into derogatory categories do so because it is easier to dismiss, marginalize and diminish them so that they don't have to ever make their case. Being tribal has been the worst thing to ever happen to America. We can't talk to each other about important issues any more. Very boring and no one wins.
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Becky04489 Mar 2022
Good book. I read it in a college Classics course.
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McCoytheNerd, sorry I don't see the relevancy of this issue on a caregiving forum.   

But, beyond that, why WOULD you feel you need to reason with someone who has diametrically opposite views?   I personally feel that these issues should be avoided in caregiving situations as well as other situations.    There's no way that far right or far left for that matter believers are going to change their views.  So why bother?  What do you expect or hope to prove?
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Geaton, your observations and references to Aristotle are so appropriate. Unfortunately, I don't think the OP has any interest in reason, discussion or debate, just in "stirring the pot."

I see no justification for raising this controversial issue and linking it to the Ukrainian invasion, other than for provocation.

I hope the Admins either close this thread or delete it. It serves no positive purpose.
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You are kidding, right?

Probably not, unfortunately. My suggestion is to bring your political nonsense to another platform where you can argue this gibberish to your hearts content cuz this is not the place to do it.

Rreporting my comment in an effort to have this thread removed for inappropriate content.
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Don't even try. It's an exercise of futility.
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Politics have no place in this forum.
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AlvaDeer Mar 2022
It probably at the least should be moved to discussions, which USUALLY I avoid like a plague! I do admit to loving a good dust up once in a while, so in a mood I can go there. And I am actually kidding, because there are things like jokes, food and gardening there that I quite enjoy. Maybe we should report this one for removal to discussions.
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