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My husband always shops at Whole Foods. We like our local Whole Foods store a lot. Every employee wears masks and gloves, along with shields at the register. Tape marks off the appropriate distance between customers.


There are a few products that we buy at locally owned stores. One store disappointed us during this health crisis.


My husband was shocked that absolutely none of the employees at this store had on masks or gloves. Only one other customer besides my husband was wearing a mask and gloves.


My husband sent an email to the store saying that we were loyal customers and wished to continue being future customers.


My husband explained in his email that he was uncomfortable that none of the employees were protected, nor were they protecting others by having bare faces and hands.


So, in a couple of days he received a phone call from the manager in response to the email saying that since it wasn’t a corporate policy that the employees were free to do as they pleased.


My husband replied by saying, “Don’t you feel that it should be a policy since Louisiana’s governor has asked all of us to wear masks in public?”


The store manager said in a cavalier attitude he wasn’t all that concerned. When my husband politely told him that we would be doing all of our shopping at Whole Foods because they chose to follow our governor’s regulations, the manager acted as if he did not care about losing customers.


Has anyone else seen cavalier attitudes among certain stores or businesses in your area?

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I've been playing around making a couple of different styles of masks and I've got to say I'm not impressed with any of them. Given that we are never likely going to duplicate an n95 level of filtration - nor do we need to - I don't get the point of making masks that are so bulky and uncomfortable. From my experimentation even 2 layers of tightly woven fabric are difficult to breath through and hot and without fail leaked around the edges, which renders them almost useless. The two surgical masks from the back of my cupboard are lightweight and comfortable, the closest I've come to duplicating them is the first mask I cobble together from a folded blue shop towel, a stapler and 2 rubber bands - definitely not pretty but I'm inclined to think that's good enough for me.
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NeedHelpWithMom May 2020
cwille,

I would wear the one that you feel most comfortable with and the best fit.

Everyone has given me positive feedback to the ones I have made. I keep getting requests for more.

They do need to fit correctly. Their purpose is to protect others from us. They will not protect us from them as much as an N95 masks. Even then, it isn’t 100 percent. I know a nurse who got Covid-19 that had all the right hospital gear on.
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Mayday,

So, do we use it as an insert? I guess we do if it isn’t a washable material.

I sewed some masks that do not have inserts. I made them with three or four layers of fabric. Then I made some with the pocket to use inserts which are thrown away after each use. I am following the patterns that are recommended by the CDC.

I am still sewing masks because I keep getting requests for them. Remember that in our state, Louisiana, the governor has requested that we wear masks anytime we are in public, such as a grocery, out for a walk, cycling, picking up take out food, etc.
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MAYDAY May 2020
I think you use it as an insert, or underlying maybe safety pins if need be.
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NANOFIBER MASK,, FABRIC MANUFACTURED IN OKLAHOMA FILTERS.

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nanofiber fabric to insert in the filter pockets of cloth masks, filtering effectivness was tested using same machines used to test N95 maskes and was found to be better at filtering than the shop towel, but does not sound like it's washable.
A friend texted this to me.. So people, do your homework.. I have not looked this up yet, as I don't sew :( Thought I would share it, since she is a good friend, and her sister ordered fabric to make some.
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It's been a few days, and here I am again... Went and got take out.. Support our fast food, or good fast food places.. Waiting for my food, when this guy came in to order... I didn't realize at first what his issue was... HE WASN'T WEARING A MASK !!

And they let him in, stand 4 feet in front of cashier with a list of food... Oh my Gosh.. I stuck my tongue out at him!!! He didn't notice... I HAD MY MASK ON :-0

So, it just seems like this is becoming the normal.. BUT I AM GETTING REALLY TIRED OF STANDING IN LINE TO GET TOILET PAPER - I MEAN getting into a store, and then GETTING out of the store... Frustrating.
Today I heard.. this is very sad... But some of the people who were hoarding all the toilet paper are returning it so they can afford actual food. It's weird how the thoughts of minds go wihen they hear "pandemic" or "crisis".. Instantly.. it goes down... I have acquired enough to last our family for a month, or so... Recycle!!
Today at Sprouts.. the signs went out: "ONLY 2 PACKAGES OF MEAT PER FAMILY..ONLY 2 PACKAGES OF CHICKEN PER FAMILY..
If they go as far as 2 packages of dry beans.. then perhaps.. I will think a bit diffeently...
Yesterday, talked with a friend on East Coast. Neighbor's yard was filling up with manure.. Asked what was happening... : Well, the mushroom growers are not growing mushrooms as much, due to the restaurants not in operation.. so they don't have reason to purchase or pickup the manure to grow the mushrooms... I didn't even realize that.. This is impacting everyone... It is down right .... I guess it was getting kind of smelly... well you can get my whiff.... :(
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NeedHelpWithMom May 2020
I feel the same way about it. People should be wearing masks. It’s sad. It truly is.
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Needhelpwithmom, thank you so much for making the masks and sewing them. Everyone appreciates your masks you made and thank you for mailing them!! I was working briefly with a 20 something year old girl who has only been with the postal service 6 months and she is a pse, not a regular employee yet. Pse stands for postal support employee. They made it mandatory to wear a mask. My supervisor said she was wearing a thong. I said it’s not around her face. He couldn’t send her to a different machine for another 30 minutes so I told her they said you need to wear a mask. They did make an announcement over the loudspeakers to wear a mask. She told me no, I wasn’t her boss, I would never be her boss, and told me to go F$$k off! I walked away and told my supervisor. I also wrote up a report on her. They moved her and she was wearing cloth over her eyes and nose.
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NeedHelpWithMom Apr 2020
Elaine,

Obviously, this woman is a troublemaker. It would serve her well to comply with regulations, heed your wonderful example of doing what is right, not only as an employee but as a fellow citizen that is respectful of others.

It is sad to hear of these instances. Sorry that you have to deal with defiant behavior of fellow workers.

I don’t mind making masks. They aren’t hard to do. It feels good to be contributing to others in need. We are fortunate to have a wonderful mayor and governor at this time. I can’t say that all of our past mayors or governors have been to my liking. As long as our governor requests that we wear our masks I will make and donate them.

Let’s just say, Louisiana has had some colorful politicians, many of whom were an embarrassment for our state! I wouldn’t even quote some of them to give them any credence. It’s better to focus on moving forward.
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needhelpwithmom, yes we were with a lot of misbehaved “kids” where there terrible behavior always seems to get rewarded. We have had people in the past let go for their appalling behavior only to return back to work a year later with ALL their back pay INCLUDING OVERTIME PAY!!! We had a supervisor that finally got walked out for screaming at all of us employees 6 months ago and now she is back with all her back pay. Luckily she works in a different department now. Thankfully they supply us with our masks.
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NeedHelpWithMom Apr 2020
Elaine,

Geeeez, I’m glad she isn’t in your department. This is a time when everyone should be working together, not against each other.

I am mailing masks all over as I finish sewing them. Our postal workers are working very hard. I thank you so much for your hard work.
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Last night I was watching a news channel in YouTube. They announced that YouTube will not permit videos that goes against WHO organization’s recommendations on the Virus.

This morning, that news video disappeared from my History and Watch Later... Please note that we will see a decrease in conflicting news of the virus... And be subtly educated only from a single point-of-view’s perspective...

I will need to go to these individual news channel and follow them. I can no longer rely only on YouTube’s channel for unbiased (conflicting or not) news.
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lealonnie1 Apr 2020
I think you can find the video here:

https://www.facebook.com/KGET17News/videos/537566680274166/UzpfSTEwMDAwNjM1MTg1MDEwNDoyNzU0MzY3MDM0Nzg0OTk4/?__tn__=%2CdC-R-R&eid=ARDJyiX7SEgDb-gSdgsvaE25iLUx8LZ-vabQZuTJhMSGuXLCWsohM6SVbpYiCI68k59oC3KvnRs1gTrV&hc_ref=ARSJJc6JmJKxjm9GEjTFtEkOYbhx7ThPq195zCklAvIa7ztZ3YmlDKmtDsjKSWFEYa0&fref=nf
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A major issue with masks I feel that if it is mandated there should be a certainty that there is availability. For example our oldest daughter and her husband have their own small business in Houston. The govenor recently eased restrictions for the state but the mayor of Houston mandated that all people over the age of 10 must wear masks in public and a certain extreme judge stated he would impose $1000.00 fines on those who didn't. Now how is that at all fair? First of all it is a terrible hardship. My daughter has found some private sources for masks for her employees but they are limited as they are individually made. All major sources have been sold out for months. If restrictions are to be imposed on such a large city as Houston then there should be the absolute knowledge that the supply is available. As if there is not enough stress with her children not in school,making the rent payment which can be postponed but not reduced,significant inventory meant for this very time period and obviously not the same desire for it, she has to outsource masks with just the right amount for each employee or risk a punitive fine at a point where income is greatly reduced.
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NeedHelpWithMom Apr 2020
I heard about higher fines in certain areas. That’s a big chunk of change, isn’t it? Wow...

I do feel sorry for people who have small businesses. They are all going to take a hit.

We have stipulations too. Our governor placed fines for people putting others at risk such as Pastor Tony Spell holding large services in his Pentecostal church with over 1300 people present.

That was foolish and dangerous to risk infections and deaths which happened. People became infected and died.

When he was asked why didn’t he stream services like other churches he responded by saying, “I can’t stream because I have to lay hands on people to pray for them.” That’s fine if a coronavirus wasn’t in the air. Not a good idea to be touching each other now.

Please! Does he even understand that social distancing means NOT touching each other? So sad to see these situations. He will get his day in court and will most likely be fined. Then again, I am not surprised by his actions. He also claims to pray away HIV and cancer.

Yes, for believing Christians miracles happen but that doesn’t mean common sense is thrown out of the window where people are placed at risks by being careless.

We have people sewing masks and donating. I have been sewing many, many masks to donate and still doing so. I hope people are sewing masks in their area to donate to those in need.
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I just wanted to say thank you to everyone here, it is so nice to see a civilized conversation about things, people might disagree, but everyone is so respectful about their disagreements. I've seen so many discussions degenerate to a political name-calling hate filled free for all on other message boards. It's so refreshing to come here and realize there are sane, respectful and friendly people still in this world!
So thank you to everyone who participates!!
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NeedHelpWithMom Apr 2020
Thanks! I am grateful too. This is a sensible group. Appreciate the complement.

I feel the same way. It is essential to be respectful of each other’s views in order to have an intelligent conversation.
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I work for the post office behind the scenes. We aren’t near any customers. Just one big factory. Where I work we are able to be 6 feet away from our partner. There are 2 of us on a machine. I work with my best friend from grade school every night. Well tonight was the first night they mandated everyone in the building to wear a mask. No exceptions. Well 3 guys in my department wouldn’t wear one. They are all around 25 years old. The 3 of them were told to go home, so they did. I texted one of them to get his mask on before he gets in trouble. He just laughed at me. So out the door he went.
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NeedHelpWithMom Apr 2020
Geeeeez, he should have listened to you, Elaine. He doesn’t realize how lucky he is to still have a job.

Not worth it to lose a job over not wearing a mask. Sad that he was stubborn.

Do they supply masks for employees?
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I will continue to wear my mask in public places for my protection as well as others. I thank people are ignorant not wearing a mask during this pandemic. We still do not know enough about the coronavirus to not take the necessary precautions. Some medical experts agree some do not. It is enough to drive one bonkers. I will do what I think is right and follow my own instincts. Some experts have an opinion against antibacterial soap, I use it many times every day for years and never got the flu. People have different opinions on the subject, just expressing mine.
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NeedHelpWithMom Apr 2020
I am a germ freak! I am constantly washing my hands. It definitely cuts down on germs, therefore reducing our chances of getting sick.
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Here's a different approach to wearing masks and staying at home/sheltering in place:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLVxx_lBLU&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3MYcc5fULjhVDUA1xhmc3lI-EdfBdm_Fp7OOFU9M0MGt6oqpnZPMudGA8

2 ER docs talking about the realities of the data after treating covid patients for 2 months and examining the science. We may in fact be wrecking our immune systems by NOT exposing ourselves to germs and viruses. What will happen when these orders are lifted? The sickness levels are bound to rise up THEN.

It's a long video, about 55 minutes, but very interesting. I'm sure they're not saying to expose the very elderly to the virus, but for the rest of us, it may be high time to lift these restrictions and get back to everyday life.
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NeedHelpWithMom Apr 2020
Thanks, Lealonnie

Will check it out. I think because of this thing being new, it makes it confusing for many of us. Experts are still trying to figure it out.
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In my county it is mandated to wear a mask in public places. Gloves are not. They actually do nothing. Anything you touch goes on the gloves. You touch other things and whatever is on the gloves transfers. People are wearing gloves from place to place and not changing them. Washing your hands and using hand sanitizer is much better than wearing gloves. Gloves are for medical personnel who change them in between patients.
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NeedHelpWithMom Apr 2020
Yep! Good old soap and water for hands!
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I don't believe wearing or not wearing a mask is political in any way. People are stubborn, dumb, unaware....a host of things that might make someone not wear a mask, even when mandated.

We wear them in my state and I am glad. I haven't been in a store in a while, but I hope I see employees wearing masks when I do go into one. I think I would send an email to corporate if I spoke with a manager who had a flippant attitude.
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NeedHelpWithMom Apr 2020
I am glad that your state is wearing them. Yeah, most are wearing them here. Our governor has asked everyone to wear in public places. We’ve been a hot spot and trying to turn it around.
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Good news, my daughter said the store by her finally started placing tape on the floor near checkout lines to separate shoppers from standing too close to one another. She said more people started wearing masks.

Bad news, her anxiety is up, I didn’t realize how much this was bothering her. She seemed like she was handling it well. She called me yesterday to chat and told me that when a shopper gets too close to her in the store she holds her breath and tries not to breathe.

She only has one week left of online classes at her university and then finals before graduating. She’s stressed because she has interviews lined up in Denver and the airline has canceled flights.
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When I see others not wearing masks of gloves I think about them getting Covid-19
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Though we can't get masks of medical quality, something is better than nothing. I bought 3 masks online from a lady sewing to earn some money. A neighbor is sewing masks now. I would have bought from her, but she's just getting started and I did not want to wait. It's pretty easy to wear a mask, it's inexpensive, and easy to wash/dry. Additionally we don't have to wait for the government to mandate we at least try to save ourselves. It's also a good idea, because if we aren't sick we can still be a carrier of the virus and we may be helping someone else by wearing the mask.
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I live right by a hospital and there are a lot of doctors offices, a nursing home, an acute rehab and dental offices up and down the main road. When I go out for my run, there are a lot of discarded gloves and masks on the ground. When I got the end of the block yesterday there were a couple masks thrown on the lawn in front of the crematorium. I really hope it’s not the medical professionals discarding their PPE in this manner!
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pamzimmrrt Apr 2020
I doubt it is,, we are told to wear ours until they wear out !
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Oh my gosh, Mayday. That is funny! Selling masks on the street.
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pamzimmrrt Apr 2020
With all the discarded ones on the ground,, I was joking to a co worker about the "used mask" resale market.. LOL.
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Scene 1: going to grocery store with my kid.. WE spot a van on the street.. big signs.. : MASKS ! For sale... van full of them..
It is mandatory to wear masks while shopping, in public... If you are caught walking around in public park,,, you can get sited and fined $1,000. I guess you get a warning first time... I don't know.. took my dog yesterday to a park..let her run around a bit and left. without notice... nobody came up to us... I guess we weren't around enough to get noticed.. Wait, nobody was there to notice us...
I guess perhaps it was a big enough park... But really... I was wearing sandals.. so... I suppose the rule should be: Mask, gloves. and disposable foot coverings, to keep away this covid... NOt sure where to buy disposable foot covers...
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GEEZ,, I hate house cleaning.. and needing to sanitize and bleach, etc ... I REALLY HATE HOUSE CLEANING!!! But, you got to do what you need to do...
And then you think...Hay, hey... maybe I am one of the lucky few who won't get it.. and my anti body, or anti sanitizing will make my home invulnerable. Yup.. I am going with that thought for now... my poor family.. they stay home mostly.. I do the shopping with mask...
Today on the road, in their cars, windows rolled up,, driving... about half the cars I see are wearing masks while driving...??? Gosh.. I felt bad.. I rolled down my window to tell the driver next to me (masked on him and his passenger) that his brake light was out... I almost felt like he thought I was nuts.. He's may be right..
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dlpandjep Apr 2020
Thanks for the 😊 Mayday. I run from place to place while out and find it easier to leave the mask on - rather than fussing with my glasses, hair and ear rings. I wear loops and the elastic gets caught in them. Guess this stuff has us all a little nuts ....
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I’m still sewing masks to give away. Now my daughter’s friends are asking for them.

My daughter told a few of her friends that I was making masks and that’s what started it.

They want some that I made in LSU colors. I don’t mind. I’ve known these young women since they were young kids.

Oh gosh, does anyone remember the sleepless nights when we hosted sleepovers?

I will be mailing them to Baton Rouge where she is attending college. I am not going to drive over an hour away just to put on their doorstep.

It would have been great to see them graduate this year but safety comes first.
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Wow! Not a glowing interaction with the store's manager. :0(
That's too bad...
I have noticed the same thing at the main grocery store in my town. I only go out of house for groceries, once - every 7-10 days, as my 84 year old Mom lives with me and has only one lung. (Am terrified I will bring something home to her.) so I glove and mask and sanitize, before, during and after venturing out. I was AMAZED at how many folks are just "rolling the dice"...I guess it is their prerogative, but it feels very unsafe, scary and certainly uncaring.
Seems like we see the self-serving ugliness of folks, especially during Christmas Shopping season and now during Covid...
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NeedHelpWithMom Apr 2020
You are smart, caring, loving, kind, respectful and responsible! I admire you for not ‘rolling the dice’ because you must be careful around your mom and yourself. We are all vulnerable.

Geeeez, healthy children are dying with this disease. I wholeheartedly agree with you! Why take chances? I would be afraid too of bringing this back to your mom.

It’s not only wearing our masks but wiping everything down after returning from the store.

Best wishes to you and your mom. Stay safe 💗.
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I went in grocery for first time the other day. The store is now requiring all employees to wear masks, but when I was in there I guess about half were wearing them. I noticed that a few shoppers, when they saw me with mask, suddenly pulled their scarfs over their nose ( lot of good that would do) but I have immune problems so I won't take chances. It seems to me that men are less likely - a macho thing like ' oh it's not as bad as people say.' Interesting that several people who were online telling everyone that it was a hoax are now dead! Publix here seems to be more conscientious about cleaning and wearing masks. I would say Walmart would be the worst maybe - although now with limiting people it may be better. With so many people silently spreading it, it would be foolish to not wear a mask, I think.
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NeedHelpWithMom Apr 2020
I feel as you do. We all need to cooperate at this time to reign this thing in. People have to start taking it seriously instead of only complaining. It may be frustrating but it’s saving people becoming ill and possibly dying.

You have a compromised immune system and others need to respect that. I do. I would gladly wear a mask to protect you from my droplets. You are doing the right thing by wearing a mask for others. Thanks for wearing your mask.
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That’s the store I’d be shopping at if I lived in Louisiana.
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NeedHelpWithMom Apr 2020
Yep!
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The main objective of each of us to wear a mask is so we protect each other from our droplets. It is to prevent the spread. It may not be foolproof but it helps.

It’s a ‘I will scratch your back and you scratch mine.’ kind of deal.

We have to get everyone on board with this. If people naively think we can slack off they are deceiving themselves.

We can look at the stats in the hot spots and see how rapidly this Covid-19 can spread. It doesn’t take long. We were one of the fastest growing areas. It’s awful.

This isn’t our first go round of a challenging health disaster in New Orleans. Long ago many people died with yellow fever here. Google it. It was heartbreaking for our city.

We must learn from these disasters and do all that we can. I am proud that we have a mayor in our city that cares enough to take this so seriously. I am grateful that we have a governor for our state that is looking out for our best interests as a whole.

New evaluations will be made as we see how things progress. For us, these are still tough times.
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I wouldn’t take chances & would take my shopping to the other store. In fact, as soon as I saw that, I’d walk out. Then report them.
Hugs 🤗
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NeedHelpWithMom Apr 2020
My husband would be in total agreement with you! Me too. You’re a doll.

He didn’t want to disappoint me by not getting everything on my shopping list so he said he kept his distance from others as much as possible and went as quickly as he could.

He did write the email to them. He did receive a call back from the manager and was sorely disappointed with his response. He was quite cavalier about the whole situation.

He is only shopping at Whole Foods. They are doing a wonderful job complying with all recommendations from our mayor and governor.

We have always shopped at both stores but will absolutely be loyal to Whole Foods now.
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Sweden remains open. Sweden has 10 million people with a confirmed total of 3,447 cases and 105 deaths. Swedish authorities have advised the public to practice social distancing and to work from home if possible, as well as urge those over 70 to self-isolate.

Swedish nightclubs and outdoor cafes remain open. The country has limited public gatherings to 50 people, a more modest restriction that takes effect Sunday. Officials have said keeping people physically and mentally healthy is another reason they’re keen to avoid rules that would keep people indoors for too long.

Per Sweden’s chief epidemiologist: “The goal is to slow down the amount of new people getting infected so that health care gets a reasonable chance to take care of them." He argues that Sweden’s less restrictive policies are more sustainable and effective, even if they are an “anomaly” during the pandemic.

The goal is NOT to be ABSOLUTELY SAFE and have ZERO cases. THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. The only way to be absolutely safe is to be dead.
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NeedHelpWithMom Apr 2020
We started off with the same restriction, 50 people. Then our cases shot up rapidly. We became a hot spot and the governor decided to shut us down.

We are shut down. We have had a significant amount of funerals and funeral directors must tell the family that only 10 people along with social distancing.

Our governor is desperately trying to flatten our curve. I am glad that he and our mayor are being responsible during this crisis. I pray for all frontline workers. They are working so hard in our city.
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Today is my 42nd wedding anniversary! I don’t take our love for granted. This year more than ever, I appreciate how blessed we are to have each other. He is the love of my life.

No one wants to live the way we have been these last several weeks but safety must come first and has to be our number one priority.

Our governor is a responsible man and not rushing to reopen anything that isn’t absolutely necessary at this time.

Our mayor is being responsible as well. They absolutely feel it would be irresponsible not be cautious in light of our serious situation here. We’re still considered one of the hot spots.

Take care, everyone. Respect and love each other. We will grow and learn from this if we all work together for the common good.

Life is short. Cherish what is good in your lives. The rest doesn’t matter. Have faith. Support our frontline workers. They need us. God knows, we need them!

Love to all 💗.
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There are cavalier attitudes everywhere. Those that think this is overblown and quarantine unnecessary, that people die. That won't change until some of these people get the virus or it effects their loved ones. Then tell their stories and others with similar attitudes pay attention.
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NeedHelpWithMom Apr 2020
This is true. We have over 25,000 confirmed cases now and I just saw where we have nearly 1500 deaths. It is very sad 😞.

Oh, and the idiot pastor at the Pentecostal church in Baton Rouge, Louisiana has been arrested! Yep, he has been warned over and over. Well, now he will get his day in court and pay a fine for his selfish ridiculous behavior! He was led off in front of his church in handcuffs.

People died because they went to a service with over a thousand people in attendance for Easter.

I have a daughter living in Baton Rouge, attending Louisiana State University. Pastor Tony Spell isn’t a caring Christian leader. He’s on a huge ego trip! His latest thing is telling his congregation to donate their entire stimulus check to the church. He is certifiably crazy!
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