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My father is 80 years old and his wife of 15 years has dementia and she has 5 adult children from her first marriage. My dad lived in NY state with his wife and it was getting to hard for him to manage his home. I told him that he and his wife could come live with me and my husband. We moved them here to Mass and her kids were not happy with that but they came to live with us anyway. My dad over the 4th of July was hospitalized and was not doing well and I called her kids to tell them that they needed to have a plan if something would happen to him. At this time his wife also needed to have eye surgery so her kids decided to take her back to NY. She was in NY for 18 days and in that time her son got POA and cleaned out her checking account, that has her name and my dads name on it. He then opened an account with his mother and on the day that she returned to my dad he cleaned it out. I called the bank and they said because he was POA and also on the account it was legal and nothing could be dome about it. That was July now its September my dads wife was not feeling well on Thursday afternoon and by later on she was weak and he had to help her to the bathroom, she was in the bathroom and my husband yelled to me and my dad that he heard her fall. We rushed to the bathroom and she was on the floor, she did not hurt herself but we thought she needed to go to the hospital, so we call for an ambulance. It was late and it was not life threating so I told dad not to call her kids until morning, when he did he got called by one of her sons all kids of names. On Sunday she was going to be released from the hospital and her oldest daughter called on Saturday evening and told us that she wanted all of her mother clothing ready to be picked up because SHE was going to take her mother back to NY State. On Sunday my dad and my husband went to the hospital so my father could see his wife before her daughter showed up, then they came home I went back with my father so he would have someone there to protect him from his wife's daughter. They said that they were taking her to a rehabilitation Center/ nursing home and then they were going to take her home with them when they found a larger apartment. I told them that I would meet them and they could follow me back to my home to get her things, and then I was told they were not going to pick them up. My father received a cell phone call from another daughter and was told that she would let him know where her mother was as soon as she knew. No calls came in and he started to get angry and so we started making calls to nursing homes in NY State on Monday night and we got nowhere. Then on Tuesday night I got a call from a nursing home in NY State telling me that my dad's wife was there and that I was on the list from the hospital as a contact person. The daughter who is the one who took her mother from Mass also works at the nursing home as a nurse and has told the staff that my father has to call her to let her know when he will be visiting.
So what rights does my father have now that they took her from him and they have POA and Healthcare Proxy and now that they have taken over responsibility for her Is he responsible for all of her medical expenses? She only make 439.00 a month on Social Security because did not put into SS. He is very upset and doesn't know what to do? She could very well go on State assistants which would cover all of her healthcare, but my dad has his own insurance But seeing that they took her and don't seem to care about what my dad wants is he still responsible for any of the co-pays that she will occur while they have her in the nursing home and even when she is released and living with them?

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What a horrible situation! I think you need to take this story to an Elder Law attorney.
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I am still trying to figure out how they got POA when your dad was on the joint account as well as your step mother? That money is belonging to him too---I would raise hell at the bank that held the accounts in their joint names. It seems highly illegal to turn over control of a bank account that has a joint owner on it. Lawyer up! I hope you get some answers and keep us posted. Best of luck.
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I think it would be illegal for the son to pull out all the money from a joint account between your father and his wife and put it into his name. And depending on what state they were married in, she could claim some of your father's income and other assets. I agree with Jinx. Without a doubt, your father needs to talk with a elder attorney to find out what rights he has and how he can protect his assets from her kids.
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Why don't you tell this to Elder Law atty? You could get free legal advice from them. They may have lied to the authorities about the situation, also. You should really dig into all this with a professional. Your dad was apparently not declared incompetent, and as such he actually had more say than the kids. Sounds kind of underhanded and wrong actions were taken on their part. You won't know completely unless you dig into it with a professional Elder law atty. You should report it to proper authorities, at least. If they have violated the law, they will be in trouble. Its good to write every fact (not emotions) in very detailed way that you need to say, so you don't forget to tell them important points that could make or break the case.
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My husband and I recently lost his mother at 92. We live in a different city/state from his mother and his brother lives where she did. Both brothers were on the account jointly with her and both had POA. Of course, POA applies to everything, not just the money. We did talk to an attorney because the brothers were not in agreement on a number of things. Once her house was sold and all assets liquidated, any one of the three had access to the accounts. In our case, bro could have cleaned out any account he saw fit to do so with. That's why it has to be carefully thought out WHO gets POA.
In our particular case, their mother was of sound mind even though her reasoning could be 'off' (wanted to treat them both equally while at times telling us how the brother bullied her, etc), so what happened with the money was basically open to whoever got it to it first.
My husband and I recently set up our own trust. We have three kids each, and have been married 12 years. He is 62 and I am 58. We both are in total agreement that out of the six, my one son is the one and only we will appoint as our POA (after each other first, and only if we could not execute on that due to disability). He is also the sole executor for us and if he is unable to do it, it will not fall to any other of our kids. Thankfully, we are on the same page and are thinking about all of this ahead of time. We love all six of our kids and we are sure someone will get their 'panties in a bunch' over our decisions but they are OUR decisions and we are making them before crisis mode. We also are not discussing anything with anyone about what we plan to leave them, etc. All we are doing is letting the one who will be in charge if something happens to us know where our bank and safety deposit box is, how to find the information to access our accounts, etc if need be/when the time comes.
I hate to say this, but when I read a lot of this stuff, it makes me realize that maybe the only thing other readers can garner from it is what to do /not do for themselves as we, the next generation, go down this road.
Best of luck. Surely, get a lawyer. But it sounds to me as if things have been done that maybe cannot be undone.
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PLEASE TALK to an elder care attorney.
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You might want to call Adult Protective Services as well and let them know what has happened. Like many others have suggested you need to call an elder law attorney immediately.
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Bless, did you ask your wife whether or not she had ever executed either legal/financial or medical health care proxy to appoint her daughter?
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icabrown, I am not sure what the condition "insane" is. Was it a temporary condition he recovered from? Do you mean he has a chronic illness, such as bipolar disorder? Is he still "insane"? There are some legal issues here. For example, was he legally competent to sign the POA with his daughter on it? Is he currently legally competent to sign a new POA?

Has daughter been handling his affairs all along? Is Husband now unable to handle his own affairs and she is trying to take over? What brings this issue up now?

The basic answer to your question is, no, the marriage does not supersede the POA in those areas where POA has authority. The POA does not have authority over the person -- for example, cannot decide where the person lives, but may have authority to pay bills.

If you want advice for your particular situation, I suggest you start a new post, with more details.
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tamonthego---If your son is mentally competent, he can do whatever he wants. She will have all the rights of any wife, such as being contacted as his next of kin in an emergency. A POA is generally limited to financial affairs.
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