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I tried talking to a friend about how stressed I’ve been, and she said, 'You should take a vacation!' Like that’s even possible! I don’t think people get how hard caregiving is. How do you deal when people don’t understand?
I refrain from talking to friends about caregiving stress. They are so far removed from caregiving and I envy them their cluelessness. Caregiving talk does never goes anywhere good. And I want to spend time not thinking about it.
Thank you for your response — I really get what you’re saying. It is hard when the people around us just don’t understand what caregiving really demands, emotionally and physically. And yes, sometimes it feels easier to avoid the topic altogether with friends who just don’t get it — especially when the conversation ends in frustration or isolation. At the same time, I guess I still wish there was space for those deeper connections — not just in a public forum only but may be closed friends with even one or two people who are walking a similar path here. Posting here is helpful, but it’s not quite the same as having that close, personal support where you can really open up and feel seen. I’ve actually reached out privately to a couple of people here who seemed like they might relate, but I never heard back. I know everyone’s dealing with a lot, so I try to understand, but it does feel a bit discouraging. Still, I really appreciate that this forum is a place where people do get it — that in itself is rare and meaningful. So thank you again for replying.
Only people that have been or are still caregivers themselves now will truly understand where you're coming from, so don't waste your time or energy on those that haven't been there done that. That is what this forum is for, along with your local caregiver support groups, to be able to share what you're feeling and going through and know that you're not alone and that others do truly understand.
You’re absolutely right—there’s a depth to caregiving that you can only understand if you’ve lived it. It’s such a relief to have spaces like this where we don’t have to explain or defend ourselves, just share and be understood. Knowing we’re not alone really does help lighten the load, even if just a little.
Caregiving is exceptionally hard but also your friend is correct. You likely need a vacation. Something like 30% of caregivers die before the person they are providing care to so it is very important to take time off if there is any possible way and also to get out of the house and take walks, etc.
I can relate. I feel like telling everyone around me, my family, people at the grocery store, what I'm going through. As though I should wear a sign, so they know what is happening in my life. But they walk by me, strangers in the cereal aisle, and I'm left with my feelings. It's kind of silly, but that tells me I need to talk about it with someone.
There is a dementia caregiver support group in my city. Some of the members meet for coffee afterwards and have become close friends as they navigate caregiving.
It is so hard. Every aspect of it. I agree that those who haven't experienced it have no idea what it's like.
Take care--hoping you find an outlet and someone who can understand.
There is no point talking to anyone who has not gone through this. They think caring for an elder is like those commercials you see on tv. Helping Dad button his shirt or playing cards with mom. Those commercials don't show mom cussing like a sailor or peeing on the floor. Even if they aren't that bad, the constant headspace you have to have for them is exhausting. Don't even bother venting to friends who have never dealt with this because they will make you feel worse not better.
No truer words have ever been spoken. It is NOTHING like the commercials on tv portray caregiving as.
In 25 years working as an in-home caregiver I have never met an elder who wanted to sit and do a puzzle. That seems to be a popular activity in homecare commercials. Not one time.
As several wise posters have stated - no one will ever understand, unless they've lived through it. I learned that if you talk to your friends about it, one of two things will happen. 1. They will tell you "just put them in a Nursing Home" (80%) 2. The other 20% will stare at you blankly and then cut off contact. There's no way to win in this situation. And it's best not to discuss it with others who are clueless. That is what this site is for.
You said it so well. Unless someone has walked in these shoes, it’s almost impossible for them to grasp the weight we carry every day. I’ve heard both of those responses too, and each one stings in its own way. That’s why I’m so grateful for this forum.
I tried to tell someone how hard it had been on me, and she flippantly told me that I should just read a good book. Her response angered me. That’s why I come here instead.
On the flip side, if you do find someone who has or is going through this, you will make a good friend. I hired a part time assistant for myself and after the first day totally regretted it. Until a month or so passed and we found out we were both trying to handle an elderly parent. Fast friends after that. She said to me "I can tell you how I REALLY feel about doing this and you don't judge me".
I have to admit before I started this journey I was probably one of those annoying people offering "solutions" to people who had probably already investigated every avenue I suggested.
I think as PeggySue said stating up front, "I don't need suggestions but could use an ear" may be helpful when starting a conversation. Also asking if they have the space to absorb what you're saying also, they may not for other reasons! Most of my friends are problem-solving oriented people so they tend to go down that path....
I'm actually taking a day tomorrow to hang with my sister in law who is also in it, and setting the expectation of venting in the car but once we get to our destination just gonna try to enjoy one of the last days of summer.
The only way to learn empathy is thru scar tissue. Speaking to folks who haven't walked your path is a waste of breath. This is what makes recovery groups like AA and NA so successful......only other addicts can speak and sponsor. It takes one to know one. Find others in your position to speak to, and save chit chat and stressless talk for your friends.
I have been through it and although it was sometimes frustrating others didn't understand, I also realized that I kept repeating mistakes that made caregiving even more difficult. The advice to take a break is often very good advice, even if it is given by someone who has never been a caregiver or understands your situation.
I always thought no one could provide care as well as I could, or I only listened to what my mother wanted, which was no outside help. This wasn't sustainable for me, mentally, physically, emotionally or financially. Advice from others was always find help and/or take a break. While I always found this advice frustrating, I realized they were right. It took a while, but I found a more sustainable solution which was, at least in part, driven by my non-caregiving friends.
I find it easier not to talk about my feelings with people who have no comprehension about what I do as a caregiver.
I have a full time job. I work out of my home office. I care for my MIL who suffers with dementia. She has (as of very recently) declined to the point where she does not want to get out of bed anymore.
Learning how change her was a bit of a challenge, but I'm getting better at it, thanks to some helpful suggestions I gleaned from others and YouTube
My cousin cares for her mother who has MS, Lupus, COPD, and a catheter. Her cousin's mother with her Aunt, cared for her grandmother who was blind and disabled.
We share our experiences and we share an understanding. It really helps.
Life is challenging. The family unit is under attack. Most people have the mindset to get rid of whatever it is that they don't want to deal with."
So my suggestion is to try to find a commaderie someone who understands. Try to find a few minutes each day to do something you enjoy like taking a short walk, or take up needlework.
Every person's caregiving journey will be hard work. It wont be easy because we are not perfect people and bear our own weaknesses and challenges.
I looked up books for activities for people with dementia. I bought seek and find books, puzzles, cards with John Wayne (her man). She doesn't use any of them.
I read her the cards and show her the pictures. I read stories and the Bible to her. We listen to classical music. We watch movies, and joke around. I put the puzzles together.
I make her favorite chocolate protein shakes with real fruit. (Low calorie, no added sugar). She has water with with electrolytes, D.Pepsi, and of course her meals.
When hubby comes home he helps her into the shower, I bathe her using Dr Teal's body wash and I use high quality shampoo and conditioner.
When she is ready to get out, Hubby helps her back into her chair. Then as I blow dry her hair (which goes down past her butt), braid it, and put clean pj's on her, hubby prepares her bed. Its a team effort at night.
It wasn't always like that. I started making demands in a mild tempered manner. I would tell him, please do this while I do this. I had to stay consistent. At first he would get temperamental, but after a couple weeks it is now normal. I dont have to have to ask. But I make sure I tell him "thank you" it means a lot to us when you do this.
It is nothing like the commercials. Yes, we mop up a lot of pee. We do a lot of laundry. My breaks are used to care for Mom.
Mom often doesn't remember who we are or where she is. But she knows we take care of her and she craves our attention. She is not violent. She doesn't use bad language. She is rarely stubborn. She has a fun sense of humor.
When she can't get a clear sentence out she gets frustrated. I just tell her to relax, I'll crack a few jokes, then she starts laughing, I figure out what she is trying to say and resolve the issue at hand.
This is why I get so frustrated when people (including her other children who live several states away) says "just put her in nursing home. - move on with your life"
This is not helpful to me. I find strength in prayer. No where in the Bible do I see nursing homes for the elderly.
Ruth cared for Naomie, Peter for his mother Lydia, or Jesus' mother Mary. Jesus turned to John and said "look, your mother". He entrusted the care of his mother to his disciple not an institution.
We can only do our best. Find joy where we can. Take care of ourselves. Draw strength from God.
OhMyGosh! I Hate it when someone says, "Why don't you just...?" Or, "You need to take care of you."
People don't understand. How could they? I sure didn't understand anything about caregiving before I was put in this position. My first year as a caregiver, I didn't know what to do or what I should be doing.
That's what so great about this forum of actual caregivers, sharing their real experiences. Only people who have done it can understand.
How to deal with well-meaning friends and their unhelpful suggestions? I try and just ignore. Or point out to them that what they are suggesting is simply not possible, so they might think before offering other suggestions.
If you have friends or family members who genuinely want to help, but just don't know how, find something they can do for you. Go run an errand or go shopping for you, clean your house, or hire a housecleaner, sit with your person so you can get out for a break for a while. I would resist the temptation to suggest they try and fill your shoes for a day and see what it's really like. They won't know how. And they won't want to. They will find any excuse to get out of it. No one wants to do this. This isn't what we envision when we plan our lives. It just happens, and here we are.
Yes, a vacation would be lovely. Just a week off, to be at home alone without taking care of anyone's needs but my own. I do encourage you to seek a care facility that will offer respite care for a week or two. If they tell you they don't do respite, then just don't tell them it is short term. Admit your loved one as if for long term, and when you are ready to have them return home, simply go get them. Tell the nursing home, thank you, we decided this isn't the place for her.
To be honest, when I was in a caregiving position (and I didn't do hands on care, only financial management and help) I had ZERO time to listen to the opinions of others. I was busy doing what was best for my brother and what I was capable of doing and learning.
Overall I have been very little affected in my life by the opinions of others. I listen to them. I weigh them. And I get on with life.
By proceeding, I agree that I understand the following disclosures:
I. How We Work in Washington.
Based on your preferences, we provide you with information about one or more of our contracted senior living providers ("Participating Communities") and provide your Senior Living Care Information to Participating Communities. The Participating Communities may contact you directly regarding their services.
APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
II. How We Are Paid.
We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
III. When We Tour.
APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
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You have no obligation to use or to continue to use our services. Because you pay no fee to us, you will never need to ask for a refund.
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Please contact our Family Feedback Line at (866) 584-7340 or ConsumerFeedback@aplaceformom.com to report any complaint. Consumers have many avenues to address a dispute with any referral service company, including the right to file a complaint with the Attorney General's office at: Consumer Protection Division, 800 5th Avenue, Ste. 2000, Seattle, 98104 or 800-551-4636.
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At the same time, I guess I still wish there was space for those deeper connections — not just in a public forum only but may be closed friends with even one or two people who are walking a similar path here. Posting here is helpful, but it’s not quite the same as having that close, personal support where you can really open up and feel seen.
I’ve actually reached out privately to a couple of people here who seemed like they might relate, but I never heard back. I know everyone’s dealing with a lot, so I try to understand, but it does feel a bit discouraging.
Still, I really appreciate that this forum is a place where people do get it — that in itself is rare and meaningful. So thank you again for replying.
That is what this forum is for, along with your local caregiver support groups, to be able to share what you're feeling and going through and know that you're not alone and that others do truly understand.
There is a dementia caregiver support group in my city. Some of the members meet for coffee afterwards and have become close friends as they navigate caregiving.
It is so hard. Every aspect of it. I agree that those who haven't experienced it have no idea what it's like.
Take care--hoping you find an outlet and someone who can understand.
No truer words have ever been spoken. It is NOTHING like the commercials on tv portray caregiving as.
In 25 years working as an in-home caregiver I have never met an elder who wanted to sit and do a puzzle. That seems to be a popular activity in homecare commercials. Not one time.
1. They will tell you "just put them in a Nursing Home" (80%)
2. The other 20% will stare at you blankly and then cut off contact.
There's no way to win in this situation. And it's best not to discuss it with others who are clueless. That is what this site is for.
Clarify whether you just need to vent or if you are seeking advice.
I think as PeggySue said stating up front, "I don't need suggestions but could use an ear" may be helpful when starting a conversation. Also asking if they have the space to absorb what you're saying also, they may not for other reasons! Most of my friends are problem-solving oriented people so they tend to go down that path....
I'm actually taking a day tomorrow to hang with my sister in law who is also in it, and setting the expectation of venting in the car but once we get to our destination just gonna try to enjoy one of the last days of summer.
It's so hard ((((hugs))))
I always thought no one could provide care as well as I could, or I only listened to what my mother wanted, which was no outside help. This wasn't sustainable for me, mentally, physically, emotionally or financially. Advice from others was always find help and/or take a break. While I always found this advice frustrating, I realized they were right. It took a while, but I found a more sustainable solution which was, at least in part, driven by my non-caregiving friends.
I have a full time job. I work out of my home office. I care for my MIL who suffers with dementia. She has (as of very recently) declined to the point where she does not want to get out of bed anymore.
Learning how change her was a bit of a challenge, but I'm getting better at it, thanks to some helpful suggestions I gleaned from others and YouTube
My cousin cares for her mother who has MS, Lupus, COPD, and a catheter. Her cousin's mother with her Aunt, cared for her grandmother who was blind and disabled.
We share our experiences and we share an understanding. It really helps.
Life is challenging. The family unit is under attack. Most people have the mindset to get rid of whatever it is that they don't want to deal with."
So my suggestion is to try to find a commaderie someone who understands. Try to find a few minutes each day to do something you enjoy like taking a short walk, or take up needlework.
Every person's caregiving journey will be hard work. It wont be easy because we are not perfect people and bear our own weaknesses and challenges.
I read her the cards and show her the pictures. I read stories and the Bible to her. We listen to classical music.
We watch movies, and joke around.
I put the puzzles together.
I make her favorite chocolate protein shakes with real fruit. (Low calorie, no added sugar). She has water with with electrolytes, D.Pepsi, and of course her meals.
When hubby comes home he helps her into the shower, I bathe her using Dr Teal's body wash and I use high quality shampoo and conditioner.
When she is ready to get out, Hubby helps her back into her chair. Then as I blow dry her hair (which goes down past her butt), braid it, and put clean pj's on her, hubby prepares her bed.
Its a team effort at night.
It wasn't always like that. I started making demands in a mild tempered manner. I would tell him, please do this while I do this. I had to stay consistent. At first he would get temperamental, but after a couple weeks it is now normal. I dont have to have to ask. But I make sure I tell him "thank you" it means a lot to us when you do this.
It is nothing like the commercials. Yes, we mop up a lot of pee. We do a lot of laundry. My breaks are used to care for Mom.
Mom often doesn't remember who we are or where she is. But she knows we take care of her and she craves our attention. She is not violent. She doesn't use bad language. She is rarely stubborn.
She has a fun sense of humor.
When she can't get a clear sentence out she gets frustrated. I just tell her to relax, I'll crack a few jokes, then she starts laughing, I figure out what she is trying to say and resolve the issue at hand.
This is why I get so frustrated when people (including her other children who live several states away) says "just put her in nursing home. - move on with your life"
This is not helpful to me. I find strength in prayer.
No where in the Bible do I see nursing homes for the elderly.
Ruth cared for Naomie, Peter for his mother Lydia, or Jesus' mother Mary.
Jesus turned to John and said "look, your mother". He entrusted the care of his mother to his disciple not an institution.
We can only do our best. Find joy where we can. Take care of ourselves.
Draw strength from God.
I Hate it when someone says, "Why don't you just...?" Or, "You need to take care of you."
People don't understand. How could they? I sure didn't understand anything about caregiving before I was put in this position. My first year as a caregiver, I didn't know what to do or what I should be doing.
That's what so great about this forum of actual caregivers, sharing their real experiences. Only people who have done it can understand.
How to deal with well-meaning friends and their unhelpful suggestions? I try and just ignore. Or point out to them that what they are suggesting is simply not possible, so they might think before offering other suggestions.
If you have friends or family members who genuinely want to help, but just don't know how, find something they can do for you. Go run an errand or go shopping for you, clean your house, or hire a housecleaner, sit with your person so you can get out for a break for a while.
I would resist the temptation to suggest they try and fill your shoes for a day and see what it's really like. They won't know how. And they won't want to. They will find any excuse to get out of it. No one wants to do this. This isn't what we envision when we plan our lives. It just happens, and here we are.
Yes, a vacation would be lovely. Just a week off, to be at home alone without taking care of anyone's needs but my own. I do encourage you to seek a care facility that will offer respite care for a week or two. If they tell you they don't do respite, then just don't tell them it is short term. Admit your loved one as if for long term, and when you are ready to have them return home, simply go get them. Tell the nursing home, thank you, we decided this isn't the place for her.
Overall I have been very little affected in my life by the opinions of others. I listen to them. I weigh them. And I get on with life.