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*Just so you know, this post includes mentions of suicide which is a difficult topic for many*



Dad is in AL and has what we suspect is dementia but no clear diagnosis yet. His personality has always been a bit manipulative — he'll say or do what he feels he needs to, to get what he wants.



Over the past few months his most common threat is to kill himself. He usually makes these threats on voice mail or email, never in person (yet). When I get a threat from him I call the AL immediately and tell them and so far they have been really great about checking on him (one lady actually dropped the phone — she didn't even hang it up — but dropped it to go and make sure he was okay).


In none of these circumstances has he been in danger, it's just been a threat. But it's been happening every couple of weeks now.


He's got a therapist at the AL and she has him on some anti-depressants but he hates them and complains that we're having him "drugged."



The big issue I face is that usually these threats come because I've set some sort of boundary with him. For example, I have told him not to call me over and over again at work — I work at a job where I do a lot of big trainings so I'm really not available, I'll be leading a training for hours and not be able to check my phone. I have his number blocked during the day when he calls over and over, but once I listen to the voice mail, (sometimes ten or more) it's him getting increasingly frustrated that I'm not answering and then a threat of suicide.


He's threatened suicide because we weren't able to visit because my husband got COVID; my sibling had to change her Christmas plans to different dates; I didn't know where the deed to my mother's cemetery plot was (I found it, I just didn't know where it was when he called); the bank canceled his debit card because of fraud; he had to go to the hospital for tests and they decided to keep him overnight; you get the picture.


Basically any time he's frustrated or annoyed he says he's going to kill himself.


I told him, Dad, you can't keep saying you are going to kill yourself, that's not an okay thing to say. And he said, "well, it's the only way to get you to call me back." (That's not true — I always call him back, but I try to do it after my work day)


My husband says I'm not responsible for making him happy, just making sure he's safe. But it is really draining to have him say he's going to kill himself over and over again. At the same time, unlike other things he says, I can't just ignore it — I have to take it seriously. Which is probably why he keeps saying it.


So what would you do?

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I would like to start by saying that it is unbelievable to me that ADULTS as in fully evolved, physically and mentally matured homosapiens feel the need to put a "trigger warning" on something because it mentions or shows something unpleasant. God help us all if this is what adults have come to.
That being said...
Your father is is being abusive in his neediness. He is using the threat of killing himself as a way to control and manipulate you.
Do not change anything you have been doing as far as setting boundaries is concerned.
The next time he threatens suicide, call the AL and tell them to call an ambulance so he can be taken to the hospital.
A few days on a hospital psych floor will put the brakes on the suicide threats.
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DoingMyBest73 Mar 2023
We just had someone on here saying the the word "diapers" was insulting! Just trying to be sensitive! :)
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Call 911 when threatens suicide. Every time.

You are playing into his manipulation by responding with a call back when he threatens. You are reinforcing his behavior.

Until you change YOUR response, nothing is going to change.

If he doesn't any longer realize that you cannot be available 24/7 by phone, you either need to reduce your response to him (call him once a week, say) or take the phone away.
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BurntCaregiver Mar 2023
@Barb

As usual your advice is sound.
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AZ sufferers often make the same comments and requests over and over again. Your father’s version is a suicide threat. He admits it’s manipulative - “it's the only way to get you to call me back” – and you say he has always been ‘a bit’ manipulative (though perhaps quite a big bit).

If he kills himself, it’s not your fault. The chances are he won’t, but if he does, so what? Stop worrying about it. Greet him with a cheery ‘Still alive?’ while you can.
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Either that or just ignore him. He’s like a toddler throwing a tantrum for attention. Stop giving it to him.

3rd option would be to hang up the second he mentions suicide and call 911. Maybe an involuntary psychiatric hold will slap some sense into him.
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Call 911 and do not call AL, if they hear him make a threat to kill himself have them call 911.

Believe me, he will stop this, he is playing you like a fine tuned violin, he is getting the reaction out of you that he wants.

He is manipulating you, it is up to you to set the boundaries.

He will learn that every time he threatens this you will call 911.
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My mother threatened to kill herself because I wouldn’t leave my husband and kids to be with her 24/7. During her last attempt, for which she wrote a note, I called for EMS intervention and the police came too. They took her to the ER where she talked her way out of it, framing it as a misunderstood joke, but it was enough to get her assessed, diagnosed with dementia, declared unable to care for herself, and into locked care. (she liked to escape) I had been her “enabler”, helping her to live “independently” for years.

I know your situation is different as he’s already in AL.

Just wanted you to know lots of us have been subjected to this manipulation.
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I am so with turning it back on him. Tell him to go right ahead because you cannot take this anymore. He is in a nice AL where he can socialize, is fed 3x a day. Has his meds handed to him. Has activities. And all he can do is B. You have a life. You have a husband and a job. You only have so many hours in a day and he is not ur #1 priority. If he does not stop with this calling you 24/7 you will take his phone away. When a parent who is safe in a facility, you can take that phone away. Staff will call u in an emergency. No matter how much he calls, you are not going to jump. Tell Dad he is like the boy who cried wolf. After a while no one cares.

Can u set up a time of day that u call him for a check in? Like after dinner about 7. I agree with Alva, you are doing good.
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When my mother pulled these stunts, continuously, I'd remind her she lived on the first floor of the ALF and jumping out the window would at best break a wrist. I suggested she go to the top of the bldg and try jumping from there where she'd have a better chance. Or if she was "shooting herself" today, where'd ya stash the gun ma? It likely needs a cleaning after all these years. When I was 5 years old, she'd take off burning rubber off the driveway to "drive the car off the bridge to kill herself", leaving me crying at the front door.

Histrionic Personality Disorder is one label I can think of for this B.S.

Give dad a wise azz answer to His histrionics and then let ALL HIS CALLS GO TO VM for several days thereafter.

Game on dad. The gig is up.
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Wow. I didn't think anyone was like my mom, but this sounds so much like her. She has threatened and attempted suicide to manipulate me in my life. It hasn't happened since she's in the NH, but I sure understand what you're going through. Everything else you describe about him calling you is just like her and I'm just learning to set boundaries with her at 51 years old.
All you can do is keep setting boundaries. She calls and wakes me up, and if she doesn't get my phone she calls the house and if that doesn't work she calls my husband. I've told her repeatedly we aren't up at certain times and if we don't answer we will call back later but it does no good. I finally told her we're silencing our phones until we are awake, at an appt. Etc. It does not stop the calls but I don't have to hear them when I can't answer or get woken up. It makes her mad but she gets over it.
My therapist said you can't reason with the unreasonable and that has helped a lot.
You can't change that he will make these threats but you can change your response. I wish I had better advice how to respond, but it might be good for you to consider therapy if you don't already do it.
Your husband is right. You are not responsible for his happiness. You are also not responsible if he would make good on his threats. He keeps doing it because it gets him something he wants (your attention). I know how exhausting it is to deal with someone who behaves this way. I wish I had better advice, but I wanted you to know you're not alone.
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Remember your old science class when the teacher talked about Pavlov and his dogs?
Your dad is getting the reaction he wants from you when he feels "needy"
You can play the game 1 of 2 ways. (And this is a game for him)
Contact the AL and tell them that they can call 911 and have him transported due to threats of self harm. If they keep him over night or for a few days he might think twice about pulling this stunt.
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Completely ignore the call. Don't call the AL. Call him back when it is convenient for you to do so. If he gets no response from you or the staff at AL again he might rethink his strategy for getting attention.
(I have to admit this second option would be difficult for me to do just because you never know what might happen.)
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