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I am a sole caretaker and I work at night. My mother sleeps all day long arising finally from 4-5pm. when I need to get to work and it's such a difficult time juggling her needs/food for evening and my own for an 8 hr. shift. I do not know of a caregiver that can come in the late afternoon on. Does that exist? She can still get around but really needs to use her walker, which she will not. I have tried today alone to wake her 3 times so I can get her hair washed and trimmed. And she says she needs more sleep. I sometimes feel if it was someone else she would get up and move. Being her daughter, she rarely goes by my suggestions. I do understand that the brain needs more sleep as one ages. She is 92. She has a new doctor visit in February and I'm hoping to reinstate physical therapy, but I don't know really what she needs. She has dementia, but I have no idea what stage or type? It really upsets me to just leave her there day in and day out sleeping till late. Her previous doctors just give her verbal tests which my mother is great at masking her deficiencies, but will cry to me about how thoughts are spinning and that she is confused. I encourage her to let her doctor know when we see him. They all move on... it will be her 4th doctor of Geriatrics. I pray that I can get more help. They want me to put her in Adult Daycare and she refuses to go, plus she's not up early enough to attend. Maybe these places should extend into night care. Not everybody has a day job. I'm very frustrated.

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Yes, most definitely you can hire an evening caregiver to sit with mom while you're at work. The CG can bathe mom and make dinner too, and do light housekeeping.

As an elder w dementia approaches end of life, they sleep more and more and eat less and less. Physical therapy becomes impossible because their brains are not functioning well enough to follow cues or pay attention, nor are they normally interested in DOING physical therapy. What sort of help
are you expecting from a geriatric doctor for a terminal disease in a 92 year old woman? There aren't meds to slow the disease down, just meds for depression, anxiety or to treat symptoms that arise from the dementia. Leave her be to do as she wishes at this juncture of her life, and learn all you can about what to expect as the disease progresses.

I suggest you read this 33 page booklet which has the best information ever about managing dementia and what to expect with an elder who's been diagnosed with it.

Understanding the Dementia Experience, by Jennifer Ghent-Fuller 
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/210580

Jennifer is a nurse who worked for many years as an educator and counsellor for people with dementia and their families, as well as others in caring roles. She addresses the emotional and grief issues in the contexts in which they arise for families living with dementia. The reviews for her books are phenomenal b/c they are written in plain English & very easy to read/understand. Her writings have been VERY helpful for me.

The full copy of her book is available here:
https://www.amazon.com/Thoughtful-Dementia-Care-Understanding-Experience/dp/B09WN439CC/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2E7WWE9X5UFXR&keywords=jennifer+ghent+fuller+books&qid=1657468364&sprefix=jennifer+ghent%2Caps%2C631&sr=8-2


Wishing you the best of luck with a difficult situation.
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squirrel13 Jan 2023
Thank you for the book reference. I am expect to have one geriatric doctor, not go through 3, and ones who can see past the facade she puts up; ones who will empathize and help me more to help her. I don't want her on meds for depression or anxiety, if that is the case (she's always fine) but I would rather have her on something natural. I find there is plenty out there for the caretaker to be informed on dementia and grief, but there is not much for the one who has the dementia and who is worried about their own changes; someone they can talk to about their fears of what will happen to them. I encourage my mother to talk w/ the doctor, but then she will act like all is fine. I am seeking counsel for both of us. I do go once a month to caregiver support groups and join groups to learn about dementia and how to communicate too. This is all when I'm able to fit it in to a hectic, caretaker and working outside the home schedule. I will check the book out. Appreciate the input.
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Does your mom sleep all night too? I bet you're right that if it were for someone else, she would get. My mom is like that. For example with PT, for me she was too tired, too this too that but for the actual therapists - was sooo cooperative. Oh the joys of the mother daughter dynamic.

Do you go with her to these appointments where she doesn't tell them everything? I would bring my list of things going on cuz my mom could not remember and/or wouldn't tell her what was going on.

There are many caregivers that work overnight. Find an agency and get yourself some help.
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Missymiss Jan 2023
Yup on going to her doctors appointments with a list. I had to do the same, otherwise my mom would just tell him "Everything is fine. " And it wasn't. She couldn't remember any of the difficulties she was having or the danger she was putting herself in.
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I was reading your post from a couple of years ago when your mom was 88.
It seems she has extended her sleeping from 2:30 to now 5. Is she awake when you come back from your 8 hour shift? Does she stay up awhile during the day when you are sleeping?
Does your mom see a doctor for an annual visit? is she on meds? Is she continent, get up for the bathroom? Have a good appetite?

To answer your question, yes, there are folks who work all hours. Some elders require 24/7 help.
You might find a health care worker who would come in for a couple of hours each evening and provide mom with a bath, shampoo, make her a nice dinner and watch a bit of tv with her. Is that what you had in mind?

My DH aunt started with a private aide who came two hours each morning to help her take her meds, make her breakfast and do a few chores. That worked for a couple of years before we had to extend the hours to four a day. It all depends on what your mom needs. You might ask her doctor to have her evaluated for home health. Those folks generally work 8-5 so not sure that would work for her.

The question we have to ask ourselves is could mom get out of the house if her fire alarm went off? would it wake her? It might be time to bring someone in when you are away.
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Yes, you can get an evening caregiver and sounds like you need one when she is alone. Any agency has caregivers that work evening hours or ask around to find a private one. My mom would have slept all day too if her caregivers were not with her.
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Good Morning,

Occupational Therapist, Teepa Snow has a Caregiving booklet out about the stages and kinds of dementias. She also has YouTube videos online that are very informative.

The Adult Day Care they cannot lie down but only sit in recliners. If it is "Lewy Body Dementia" the sleeping goes along with it. Plus, it may be too much an all day respite.

I had my mother going after the Pandemic but before the existing flu season that we are in for a one morning a week day respite--nurse on duty, breakfast and lunch.

I did not put her on the van but drove to and from. The 10-2 Mom was exhausted. The 9-1 was doable. I needed a place so I could get the oil changed, errands, my own doctor's appointments but mother was flat out exhausted the next day but I could not leave her unattended for a long duration.

You didn't say if you work remotely or not? My Lord at 92 I should do so good. They really want to just be home and with their loved ones. Isn't that what we all want.

Could you contact a nursing school and have a student as night watch? I know of a person who has a medical student living in the home rent free. It's a win-win situation. You can do a background check, install cameras. None of us like having strangers "paid help".
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TouchMatters Jan 2023
So glad you mention Teepa Snow. I, too, refer / recommend her webinars / website often to people here. And, good to call a nursing school for a student. Although it isn't a 'rent free' situation (as):
* a person providing caregiver services is considered an EMPLOYEE and all that entails (paying taxes, worker's compensation). They need to get official breaks and days off... everything by the book. It is a huge responsibility being an employer - and there is a possibility of being sued and/or if the person doesn't work out, they may not leave willingly and the sheriff needs to be called. It can be a nightmare.
* Anyone wanting a 'live-in" needs to do their research and get a legally written contract. I did all this research, not realizing a live-in care provider is considered an EMPLOYEE.

* So, even if rent free, the person must be paid.

States may have different legal definitions re EMPLOYMENT and LIVE-IN caregivers so it is important to check. I live in California and thought the same as you "easy" = free or reasonable rent in exchange for care. Found out it doesn't work that way. Being an employer is a HUGE responsibility.

Gena / Touch Matters
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I would bet that you could easily qualify for hospice. They can come in a few hours every other day or so at least to help with the bathing and tasks, etc.
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katepaints Jan 2023
Her mom would need to have a physician referring her hospice stating she has a terminal illness and most likely won’t live for another six months.
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A geriatric social worker can assess her situation and give you ideas about what to do. Is she following your sleep schedule by any chance?
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squirrel13 Jan 2023
Hi, and thank you. As a sole caretaker I cannot afford to sleep late in the day, usually up before 10am after a night shift, with all the duties to do. She does wait till I get home but then stays up late afterward. I do believe even if I switched to a day job, she would still be sleeping when I got home or it would take her awhile to shift over? I think I have to hunt down the social worker she had for help (never came around again) with a companion part-time in the eves. I really need to find someone who will just sit with her, assist her and do a little physical. therapy w/her; like just simple chair exercises. Thank you for answering. She is sleeping now at 5:32pm after I've tried to get her up twice earlier. I will try one more time as I write this. Thanks for your help.
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squirrel13: I used a nighttime caregiver who worked pro bono for me (fortunately, she was a friend) until I could arrive from out of state to live with and care for my mother. A licensed practical nurse, this lady had many other clients. She was not the only individual who performed such a task. I interviewed another lady on the off chance that I would be hiring her.
I am so sorry that your mother suffers from dementia. Perhaps you can garner information on the disease by reading such publications as 'The 36 Hour Day.'
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squirrel13 Jan 2023
You are lucky to know a friend. I know about dementia because I have read plenty and been part of Zoom caretaker meetings in which we discuss dementia/alz and learn new ways of communicating with them. I'm on her 3rd geriatric doctor, so hopefully I will get better assistance and answers. I know that each patient is different in the way the disease progresses within.
Thanks so much for your input.
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I asked around my mother’s rehab to find friends of workers there who
might do shift work at odd hours. Also they had relatives who could fill in for a few hours at a time when needed. All were CNAs. One had a daughter who was studying PT during the daytime and could work 4 hours in the evening or on weekends. You have to keep looking but they are out there.
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Yes, I forgot that she was 88 when I first posted. After it took me 3 weeks to convince her that she couldn't hear because of earwax build up, yes, she could now hear a fire alarm and slowly get out the house. I would love to get a hold of a natural pill to reduce stubbornness, but I know it comes with the territory of dementia and persistence of independence even though she really needs to use a walker, but won't. I had a great doctor who had ordered the home health but it was questionable whether it could be arranged for eves, since I work nights and that's when I would need it; no overnights. Thanks for your input. A new doctor appt. in Feb. so hope to get things going again. She's been through 3 because they all move on to greener pastures and why not since they are all young. The geriatric doctors 50 on up are few and they don't take new patients. Nationally, geriatric doctors is not the favored field, but they need more desperately because of the huge baby boomer population. I also need to get with the social worker and I know for a fact she's overworked. Thanks for your time and reminding me it's been 5 years, lol!
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katepaints Jan 2023
I used to do home health overnight. An agency should be able to find someone for your mom.
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