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I am 34, my boyfriend is 45. We are both educated people. We've been dating for almost 5 months. He is currently in a rather unique situation. About 4 years ago, he met an elderly women he met at a conference where he was a speaker. She got to know him and trust him, and wound up asking him if he would be her guardian and take care of her when she needed it. She agreed to pay him a salary. Coincidentally, a few weeks later she fell and broke her hip which limited her independence. She moved into an assisted living type situation and he had an apartment nearby. About 2 years ago, they moved to my city and actually bought a condo together. She paid for most of it, and he paid for some of it. At any rate, the condo is owned by them jointly with 'right of survivorship' and it is paid off. This woman, who is now 84, was very good with her money and makes over 100,000 per year. She also bought the condo next door, and had a caregiver move-in to help take care of her. That condo is also under right of survivorship. So if the lady dies, my boyfriend takes ownership of both condos. And if he dies, vice versa. My boyfriend lives on the top level, and the elderly lady lives on the bottom level. She doesn't enter his space. The caregiver accesses the lady's lower level apartment through the garage door. She is still competent. He is her financial and medical POA. The situation has complications. The lady's son apparently is very resentful that she asked my boyfriend to be the guardian instead of him, and constantly tries to stir up trouble, make false DSS reports, etc. At any rate, my boyfriend said that when he gets married, his wife will have to live with him in the condo since that's his job and he has to be there at night. He is very clear that he made a committment and will keep it 'until she dies or until I die'. His schedule is that he cooks for this lady monday through thursday, breakfast lunch and dinner, and her schedule can be sporadic. So basically he is tied to the house from 7am to 9pm (if her dinner goes late) and by that time he's exhausted. He does get weekends off. But, he is always 'on call' if you will, in case there is an emergency. He has 3 hired caregivers, so he is able to get breaks and vacation. One complication is that the caregiver next door is somehow under the impression that she will 'get the house' when the elderly lady dies. This is not true, but the elderly lady has been showing some cognitive deficits so I wouldn't be surprised if she said something like this in a disoriented state. The issue at hand is that my boyfriend said he would expect his wife to live with him in the condo because that's his job and he has to live there. He says he wants marriage and kids, and said that his current committment won't stand in the way of him having that. I own my own home. My dilemma is that if I moved in with him I would have no legal rights to the house if something happened to him or he died. I'd have to move out. He mentioned that he would get life insurance to make sure I was taken care of, and that I could always move back into my home. This would mean that I'd have to keep my home and continue either paying a mortgage or having renters in it, which I'm not too keen on. The other issue is that I don't particularly like the place he lives. There is absolutely no room for any of my stuff, there are a gazillion stairs to enter the condo, there is no yard at all for a kid to play in, and we have to sacrifice some privacy with the caregiver needing to access the elderly lady's space every day. We can hear the door opening and we can't really have a private conversation in certain areas of the house.. The neighborhood is a retirement community where lots of older folks live.

I love my boyfriend. He is a wonderful person and the best relationship I've ever had (and I've had a lot). We are extremely similar in values and compatibility (we both have master's degrees in the same field), and I don't want to lose him. I guess I am just looking for some advice on what legalities I need to be aware of in this situation. For example, if he dies and I keep my house, since he is her guardian, could her family somehow come after me or my house? I was pretty upset and crying after our conversation, and he said we would work it out in a way where we are both comfortable. I just don't see how I could truly feel 'at home' in a place that's not really my home and where I have no legal rights, but maybe I'm being narrow-minded. I really, really want to find a way to make it work but it seems like it could be a very complicated situation. I would love any thoughts on this. Thanks!

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Good for you. Look back and see how what you originally wrote sounds now. It's all alot clearer now.
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If a man is 45 years old with no savings, something doesn't sound right.... what has he been doing for the past 25 years where he wasn't able to save? He doesn't sound very educated to me, maybe on paper, but how much is that paper worth?

Maverick, you did the right thing.... and don't fall back into that soap opera as he might beg for you to return to him.
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You truly dodged a bullet here. Now, you can move forward with your life. Wishing you all the best!
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Hate it for you and for him, but I think you made the right call.
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Well, I broke up with him yesterday. Feels great. I'm free!!! Although he did move back to his home, he had been driving 2.5 hours every weekend to see me and taking us out to eat. He had a security system and Internet installed at his house. He's spending money on lawyers to get his stuff back. He has been putting all this on his credit card, with no savings( not that I can judge, I don't have savings either)...and he never even looked for jobs or put a resume together...I realized he wants the easy way out, doesnt really want to work, I got disgusted with him and had to get out. I've never felt better!!
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Let him talk all he wants but wait and see if he actually makes the changes.
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I would be leery of any promises he makes ---words are useless in this case. It's action that will make the difference. If you think he will change, I am sorry to say, many women believe in men like this---he is an anvil around your neck. I see no real future with him but it's your life and your decision.
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He "took responsibility" because he realized he wasn't going to be able to use or manipulate you.

This is a man who has not demonstrated common sense or responsibility for himself for years, now suddenly he "agreed with everything."

He just realized the game was over.

I wouldn't expect to see much of him from now on. He'll be looking for another patsy.
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I gave him a deadline of 3 weeks. At first he was upset. He said he hoped we could just live together, so I was very quick to explain that was not an option. We ended up getting into a fight, but I told him all my concerns. I essentially told him that his financial and work decisions were unwise, especially the loans, and how did he ever expect to fit a marriage into his ridiculous situation. He actually agreed with everything I said. He agreed he had not made good decisions and had gotten his personal and work relationships too intertwined. He also now plans on moving to his house which is 2.5 hours away, to settle in there and look for jobs. I'm surprised he took responsibility and sees that living in his own home until he can find an apartment and job makes the most sense.
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Don't.
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OH! PULEEZE! Get rid of this bum!
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Get out now. You don't need to get killed over this,.
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ARE YOU REALLY THIS DESPERATE???? NO...for the love of life...for the love of yourself..and your sanity..and protection of your heart...it is great to give love...but you want to be loves....wait...there is an ADAM for every EVE...LET GOD send you the right man...if you do not believe in GOD..believe in yourself..! GIVE UP on this...and MOVE ON....do not get TRAPPED in a LIFE that is so demanding there is not time for LOVE...FUN and hobbies...and fitness...CHECK YOUR HEART...CHECK your HEALTH....how many headaches is all this causing.....GIRL YOU are to beautiful of heart to waste time on all this garbage....!!! YOU KNOW and I KNOW..you will be sorry in the end!
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If he's controlling, then withdraw very carefully. It would be best to make it seem like it's for his own good, or his idea, etc.... Don't let it seem like you're dumping him. Sometimes, you can do all this but it won't matter to him. To him, you rejected him. If he finds another woman, it's okay. If you find a man, it's Not okay - even if you both haven't been "an item" for several months. You read these things all the time in the papers and the news. (and from personal experience - my fave sis' experience with her ex.) I totally agree with you, get him out of your house. And Change All the Locks! If you have an alarm system, change the password.
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Juddabuddhaboo - I agree with your advice. This morning I woke up and couldn't get rid of the thought that I have to get him out of my house soon! However, I would feel safer about getting him out first and then backing off the relationship. He has shown some signs of being controlling, and my main priority is my safety- just in case he would do something unpredictable. It bothers me that he did not tell me about the loans until now. This whole time, he has been taking us out and paying for expensive dinners at organic restaurants, paid for us to go on a cruise...i even asked him if he could afford to live that way and he assured me he could. meanwhile he is indebted to this woman for 70,000 which is probably why he didnt want to leave the job in case she made him pay it back.. To clarify, he did not ask me to send him job openings; I asked if I could send them to him and he said ok; however, I now decided I'm not going to do that - he can figure that out on his own. Also, my screen name (maverick) is the name of my dog who died last month. Its not intended to reflect some sort of manipulation here, and I'm not sure what a 'troll' is but it must not be a good thing! Sorry if I have offended anyone on the boards. I was just trying to get support to feel less alone. I do appreciate everyone's feedback, and I am taking it all in, including the suggestion to get counseling.
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What blannie wrote.

I would not take him in. You are buying trouble. Why are you continuing to date a man who is in such a murky situation? I think you would benefit from counselling, as juddha suggested. Look after yourself. I think you are in for trouble from him.
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Maverick, the more you tell us the worse the picture looks. Set a the day of his departure and back off from this relationship. If he isn't dangerous, I'd hint that you have second thoughts about being this close or give him the hint that you're unsure of him. But only if that's safe. He could be a very unstable person. Don't help him anymore. See if that drives him away. I bet it would. One of these days in the near future you'll look back at today and think, "gosh, what was I thinking?"
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Thanks so much for the update, maverick. A lot should be revealed in the next few months, enabling you to make reasonable decisions.
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The more I read about this the more incredible and unbelieveable it is. Why would anyone loan someone $60K to pay off a mortgage, and why can't he stay at his other home in another state? This guy is a parasite.

If the woman and her accountant were willing to write off that and the music equipment loan, there were obviously some very good reasons why they wanted him out of there now. That is, IF this is all true.

"Tonight he said I could send him job openings so seems to be open to the fact he will have to get a 'real' job."

Isn't that generous of him - why can't he do his own job hunting?

"he's got so many great qualities except for all this."

I just can't believe anyone could find any qualities in this man to be even a "boyfriend."


Now I really think all this was just a troll post to manipulate and get reactions from other posters. Often trolls are pity partiers, but this one is just jerking our chains.

Even though I said sometime ago I wouldn't follow up on this thread, I now think the OP needs to know that she's wasted a lot of time playing this silly game. And look at her screen name - it says a lot about her.
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You can send him job openings? Why can't he find his own job openings? I don't get it. If he doesn't have online access on his own, he can go to any library to get it.

He sounds more and more like a grifter the more you explain about him and his choices. He got a $60k loan from an elderly woman who was unrelated to him and going downhill -- with no paperwork to document his repayment schedule or the amount of the loan? Totally shady. And another loan on top of that? He's lucky they didn't charge him with theft. Cut your losses with this guy - he's nothing but trouble.
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Oh yes - I definitely will be giving him a deadline soon. I do not plan to support him financially, and don't want him living here more than a few weeks. His unwise choices have gotten him into this situation and its up to him to get out. I found out tonight that this lady loaned him 60,000 to pay off his mortgage (he owns a home in another state) and a separate loan for several thousand dollars for music equipment!! He had been paying her back monthly, and apparently they were willing to let that go if he moved out today. I don't understand how he thought that borrowing money from her was a good idea, or how he didnt get any type of written contract. He told me he made a moral committment to her for the rest of her life, which of course is over now. Ellanz - I totally agree. This will be a crucial time to see how he chooses to move forward. He has worked in his profession in the past - working in group homes and such, but hasn't done it in several years. Tonight he said I could send him job openings so seems to be open to the fact he will have to get a 'real' job. It's a shame - he's got so many great qualities except for all this.
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Turnof the page, click on Ask a Question on the Forum homepage. The link is just above the list of questions.

https://www.agingcare.com/Caregiver-Forum
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I don't want to sound rude but I'm new to AC. How do I ask a question about legal matters concerning my mil. Poa guardianship and money hungry family?
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And I still keep wondering if this wasn't a troll's effort to get attention.

And in retrospect, I don't think I would ever invite to live with mesomeone I'd only dated for such a short time.

Better hide the jewelery, charge cards and documentation of financial assets, just in case.
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I don't want to "rain on your parade" but I think this new development is worse because once he moves in it will be harder to get him out physically when you realize that there's something very, very wrong about this man's choices, unwillingness to work in his chosen profession, and what I'm beginning to think is a predatory lifestyle.

I wonder how much he really did for this woman, and why all of a sudden the situation changed drastically. Clearly there were some red flags with her as well.

I can't help wondering if this is how he's spent his last several years, moving from one woman to another, ostensibly helping. It would be interesting to get a background check on him to find out if he's telling the truth about his past.

This man apparently made no other plans beyond spending his life caring for this woman, now suddenly those plans can't be carried out. But you're now throwing him a life preserver by offering him an alternate arrangement.

He needs to really be a man, stand on his own 2 feet and get a job even if it's a entry level temporary job while he finds a place to live. His planning skills are lacking, to say the least.

I also agree with Judda's suggestion that you study co-dependent behaviors.

Sorry to be blunt, but I think it's appropriate as a wake-up call is needed here.
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Interesting turn of events, and I still see red flags. Please keep your eyes wide open, and be alert to his choices and how he moves forward with his life. Just because he's now out of this questionable situation doesn't mean he won't make other bad choices.
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Your boyfriend sounds like a loser, Ms.Maverick. You've already been too kind to him. The longer you stay with him, having your life aid his needs, the more he'll use you and later leave you. The guy needs to wake up and own himself.
At this point, I think you should learn about co-dependent behaviors and people who enable others to engage in irresponsible behaviors. No one is perfect, but there sure are pitfalls and patterns that people have. The book that clued me in was, "Women Who Love Too Much: when you are wishing and hoping he'll change." You'll learn about YOUR tendencies and then you can make better choices. Best wishes to a free and loving life.
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I agree with giving him a deadline..
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Yikes - be careful - you've turned into his new "sugar mama" that several of us predicted you would be if sugar mama #1 fizzled out. Give him a deadline, like two weeks, or you'll be supporting his lazy butt for life. Sorry to be so blunt, but there's something wrong with him. I predict he won't be in any hurry to find something else.
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You're taking him in! Good luck! Wonder how long it will take for him to find a real job. Sorry but this has had a foul odor since the beginning.
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