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My Father in law was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s about a year ago and he is beginning to show obvious signs of decline. My mother in law is doing a great job taking care of him and keeping up the house, even driving the two of them around to run errands and keep appointments, but she reports that she now has to give him very detailed directions to complete even the simplest tasks. She simply can’t keep this up. She’s exhausted and emotional. My husband helps them out fairly often but I fear it’s not enough. He himself is under a lot of stress between work, our family, and 2 elder households to be concerned about. There is very little communication happening among the family members (on both sides) and my husband doesn’t even like to discuss these things with me. No one seems to have a plan. I’m caring for my own family (I have two kids still at home) and spending a lot of time helping my elderly mother who moved across the country to be with me so I feel I shouldn’t have to take care of my in-laws as well. How do I get the family to get together to make a plan? I suggested a meeting with all three siblings when everyone was together last year but it just never came together. I might add that there is little money left so a nice assisted care facility is out of the question. Has anyone here experienced this type of situation? If so what do you suggest?

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Okay, so my sister-in-law has 3 adult kids, the oldest being a 42 y.o. daughter. Your question "How do I get the family to get together to make a plan" could very well apply to this family. One adult son is an EMT (so okay, one would think a perfect person to "care" for his Alzheimer's mother, except for the difference in gender.) The daughter, once told of her mother's diagnosis asked "So can Dad help me move into my apartment?" You don't need someone so self serving when you get such a diagnosis! This family's dilemma seems to "mirror" your's. Good luck.
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my dad died of complications of ALZ earlier this year and now it appears my mom may have symptoms, though she has always been rather scatter brained. Her physician told me she was concerned that perhaps my moms anxiety related scatter brain ways may in fact be masking declining cognitive issues. She has tried to run my mom through a screening test but my mom throws a temper tantrum and will not do it, I suppose as she doesn't want to know. Her doctor has a hard enough time dealing with my mom anyway so when my mom refuses doing the test the dr. is almost happy she can just move on. And she also said, in a way does it really matter at this point? What actions would we be taking now if we knew she had ALZ, (I have POA) already, and maybe knowing would be more painful than not knowing.
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This happened to my SIL, recently diagnosed with Alzheimer's. If it hadn't been for me, the husband wouldn't have gotten DPOA. Now the 2 want to handle it on their own. Big mistake.
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Yippy, you are in a tough situation, you want your husband to allow your mom to move into his home, yet you do not want to be on the hook to help his parents. If you will not help his parents do not be surprised when he rejects having your mom move in.

That there are so many posters saying it's not your family, responsibility or burden is really sad. When we marry, our family becomes theirs and Visa versa. If that isn't the case then you can not ask him to make sacrifices for your family. It inappropriate to say the least.

If mom is okay taking care of her husband and her kids are willing to pitch in to help her do that, it is their choice to make. You posted nothing that makes me think it is time for a facility. It is time to give mil love and support, maybe bring a casserole over once a week to help out. It doesn't have to be huge time consuming help, little acts of kindness go a long way to reviving our spirit and not having to cook and clean up for a couple of meals is a great help.
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Hi, I know what you are going through. I did go through this type of situation in 2015. Total nightmare. Each state has different rules. My advice to you, is take care of yourself and family first. When this situation gets worse, let the IL's handle it. My father's battle with this disease was horrific. My 2 sisters would not get involved. Buy my husband was immensely helpful. He is a disabled veteran. Since your FIL is a veteran, call your local DAV. They can answer your questions. They can help. There is an aid and dependence option they can help your FIL. Someone in his family must get a POA in place. Soon there will be an epidemic of people with ALZ as baby boomers get older. If you can't find a local DAV, call the National number. Good luck to you in this difficult time. Disabled American Veterans is a great organization.
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While my parents were still living in their house, I noticed their decline. (I lived some 10 hours' drive away, so I could only visit every other month or so.) I told my sister (about 7 hours away; is very caring but keeps a busy schedule) what was going on, and she said "they seemed fine when I last saw them, and I've spoken to them on the phone several times since then and everything seems okay". I emphasized that she needed to visit to see firsthand what is going on, as a phone call doesn't tell the whole story. She visited, and then her reaction was "my goodness, we have to do something!" and then we developed a plan and made progress.

I've said the foregoing because I believe the two siblings should make a point of visiting their parents so they can see the CURRENT situation. When parents (and others) reach a certain age and changes start taking place, the "visit last year" might as well be ancient history.
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Yippy, I'm assuming you're in the US:
One place to start would be your local Area Agency on Aging. They will, at no cost, provide you with info on services that are available, local home care agencies, day care for elders, meals-on-wheels, transportation assistance, probably Medicaid info for financial assistance, etc. They might even have some volunteers that could reach out to your in-laws, if your MIL would be receptive to them. (Mine was not, expecting that she and her 2 sons could continue to do everything.)

Your County will have a Veterans' Assistance Officer who would provide free help in obtaining those benefits.

As far as the family's denial, yep, "Everything's been fine so far, so why worry? We'll handle that if it happens." Like you, I'm one to try to have plans in place to avoid crises, because I'm the one who has to handle the crisis while they all muddle on and cry that they don't know what else to do. Especially when we notice that the light at the end of the tunnel is an on-coming train, right?

I just had to get the info ready and develop the mindset to say, "Here's where to get help for that; you want me to call them and set up an appointment?" I refused to get sucked into the daily minutiae and drama.

It sounds like your biggest concern is for your MIL to have some relief. She has to be willing to accept help. If your husband is observing that she's not receptive, that's different than him ignoring her needs. If she's receptive, and he's ignoring that, put her in touch with the local Area Agency on Aging. If you can't find out where that is, start by calling the County Welfare Department, Family Services, or whatever it's called in your county.

Good luck, dear. And, imo, it would not likely be a good idea to move your mom in with you. The Agency on Aging may be helpful for her situation, too.
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I was able to get my brother-in help from the local aging care center. Also for my Mother & Mother-in-law. You might try that for both your Mother & Father-in-law. Any charges are based on income. Check out nursing homes they can help you with all the legal issues you face when putting a loved one in a nursing home. Maybe if you do the leg work it might help ur in-laws make a decision. Good luck.
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I think that I'm confused as to what getting the family together will solve. Do you envision that other family members will realize dad's progression and suddenly volunteer to help with his care? Even if that happened, could they care for him around the clock? I don't know his status, but, one of the more exhausting things about caring for a person who has dementia in the home is the constant supervision, repeating, rambling, questions, confusion, direction, etc. It's exhausting and even if another person is in the house to help, that behavior can be exhausting.

And, how would the group help with decisions if no one has legal authority? Has someone been appointed Durable POA or healthcare POA? Are they still able to do it? I might see if they can do that so someone could step in, do the research, make the decisions and keep the others posted.
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Unfortunately many time it takes a crisis to open eyes of loved ones. Emotions are involved making it less painful if ignored.

I would seek out a professional care manager in your area. The area aging agency is a government subsidized program that can help as well.
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How do you suggest I begin looking at different options for housing if I don’t know what their finances would occomodate? I would love to help my husband by researching but where to start? I think FIL may be able to receive VA benefits...
I have thought about just hiring an elder care consultant but again, it might be over-stepping my boundaries and we would likely be stuck paying the bill.
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anonymous594015 Dec 2018
I tried to do the research myself too. You need a community college course to understand all the rules of Medicaid, VA benefits, Assisted vs Skilled Nursing Facility vs Skilled Nursing services in assisted living. I gave up.

Aginglifecare.org is an association of people who are skilled in counseling people about these issues. I interviewed three and chose the one I thought would have a good personality fit with our elder. She charges by the hour (and will charge partial hours, like a lawyer). If you met with one of these professionals for a couple of hours, you would likely get a good idea of the services available to you in your community. Our Specialist is very careful not to give any financial advice but she did recommend three elder care lawyers that gave free consultations and only charged for services if you chose to use them.

We hired her. We did pay the bill. She had a ton of information for us and would have been very useful to us if the elder would have cooperated. At the end of the day, though, this is going to be your husband's family's bus to drive. But if it makes you feel better, you might want to offer to pay a couple of hundred dollars for your in laws to have a conversation with an Aging Life Specialist.
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Yes, been there. I just kept telling husband that I didn't want him to do more than he was able, same for his mom and brother, but that I couldn't tell them what to do--not that I could "tell" him, either, but he would usually listen to reason.

Your husband has responsibilities to the family he chose to make, which was something that also weighed on my husband's mind. Even though his kids were grown, he wanted to spend time with them, too. I really made a point to not be demanding of his time for my needs or anything I could handle myself, but I never mentioned that to him.

I researched options for his dad's care, sometimes printing out articles to give the family. I called home care agencies and arranged for prospective visits, but Mom declined. Since Mom and brother didn't want to use hired help, I pointed out to my husband that the help he was wearing himself out to provide could be obtained elsewhere, and that was his mom's and brother's problem if they didn't want it.

All this helped very little. They were all exhausted and not inclined or able to be reasonable, perhaps as a result of exhaustion, or from whatever sense of duty and responsibility was making them crazy. But, my husband did take some time off for himself without as much guilt about it.

The solution, of sorts, came when Mom needed surgery. So Dad had to go to a facility "for respite," which became a permanent placement. I jumped on board at that time to promote the long-term stay, help with Medicaid application, etc.

So, as others often say, sometimes it takes a crisis. My mantra is to be prepared.

My advice to you--suggest that Mom hires help or starts looking at outside placement. Don't take on responsibilities for them that YOU don't WANT to do, especially since you have your own parent to look after. Don't nag him, but show him the options that are available. If your husband starts moving in a direction that looks good to you, be very supportive, even helping if you can by doing research, etc.

You might try a group email or a Christmas letter to his siblings where you mention that Mom needs a lot more help; but be prepared to be disappointed. Then you can be pleasantly surprised if any good comes of it.

And, by the way, what are the "two elder households" your husband is concerned about? If he's doing stuff for your mom, you need to get that taken care of elsewhere unless you want to take on equivalent care for his parents.

I wish I could tell you where the magic wand is available to fix this, but this is all I've got.
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anonymous862986 Dec 2018
When I say that all three siblings are in denial, I am including my husband. maybe he figures if he starts talking about a plan, he will be expected to execute it. I went over to my moms to help her last night and asked my husband to touch base with his folks. His response was “why”? When we’ve had conversations about possibly moving my mom in with us (another thread) I’ve told him more than once that I wouldn’t want to make a move without making sure his folks were taken care of and had a plan in place. (Their situation is far more of a concern, given his father’s diagnosis and their lack of money) But he won’t have the conversation with them. He loves his parents and in the past he has been very happy to accommodated them, sometimes more often that he should have, from my perspective. I just don’t understand it. He will not make a move.
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When a family does an intervention, the entire clan is called to a house meeting and the truth is then told. As a group, you video tape it. A cell phone is fine. Then send it out to all who did or did not come to that meeting. This way you have time to prepare a speech, have bullet point lines of the most important things, hand those out. Make a list of what is needed from these people.
Deal with the meeting as one would deal with a presentation at work.
Make sure you write down your concerns, fears, needs, and ask if anyone in the room has any input or whatever you need to say or ask.
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BlackHole Dec 2018
An intervention is only appropriate if YippySkippy’s husband or one of his siblings spearheads it. I doubt that will ever happen, judging by their level of denial.

Also - this family is not suffering the ill effects a toxic gambler or a heroin addict in their midst. An intervention might be too extreme for the problem at hand.

What we have here are 3 adults (hubby + sibs) who cannot come to grips with the fact that Mom & Dad aren’t what they used to be - and will only get worse. It’s as common as the sun rising and setting.

As for Mom (Yippy’s MIL), does she honestly want help? Or is she the type who makes noise, but refuses to let go of her identity as The #1 Caregiver? If she is open to help, will she accept help in-home help from non-family? What’s her take on the reality that maybe (now or later) the best solution is for her husband to be in facility care? Is she a woman who went directly from parents to marriage and is freaked out at the prospect of living alone?

I get where you are coming from, Jenny. I really do. And oftentimes, what looks like adult siblings playing “kick the can” is really a competent elder (or two) being stubborn beyond belief.

The foundation of this pyramid is to find out where Yippy’s MIL’s head is. Is she open to help in whatever form it takes? Is she open to help outside of her comfort zone? Is she so invested in magical thinking that she will persist in acting against her own best interests?

Yippy, can your husband get these answers from his mom in a conversational manner? If so, he would then be prepped to have a no-bullsh*t convo with his sibs - spreadsheet, camcorder, talking points and all.
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Wow Thank you all so much for taking the time to answer. I wish I had signed on to this site a long time ago because ive been wrestling with this for quite some time. I’ll heed the sound and consistent advice from all of you, know my boundaries and lovingly encourage my husband to take action. Thank you.
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rocketjcat Dec 2018
My only suggestion is to perhaps couch the help needed in terms of helping your MIL. Perhaps they will have more sympathy for her exhaustion and struggles, without having to deal with/accept/acknowledge FILs issues. The end result will be the same.
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Yippi it is obvious from your post that you have a Heart of gold and you do care, your Mother in Law is an Angel too but how can the rest of the Family be so blind ? If they do not wake up soon to the reality that their Dad has alzheimer's then Your Mother in Law is shure to crash from
burn out. This is a really tough journey to find one Self on where the Primary Carer can become consumed by the tasks
that lay ahead therefore the entire Family needs to come together to form a rota of Caregiving so I'd suggest you call
a meeting of the entire Family to get all hands on deck.
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Does your MIL talk to you but not her kids? She needs to talk to her kids. She needs to make them realize what is going on with their father so there r no surprises later. You have your own hands full. Your Mom is your priority. Something will happen with FIL and thats when the children may finally realize Mom needs help. If MIL cries on your shoulder, be sympathetic but tell her she needs to tell her kids what she has told you.
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anonymous862986 Dec 2018
She doesn’t talk to me exclusively, she tells all of the kids. I think the inaction is due to not being able to face the stress; no one wants to take it on. What about bringing in an elder care consultant? Good idea or no?
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Yippy, this is for your husband and his sibs to work out. If they choose not to - or they cannot work together - they won’t be the first family that rolled like that.

A caution for you: When you express concern about MIL and FIL, make sure your speech is peppered with “you, they, them.” Make a deliberate effort to NOT say “I” or “we.”

I know you care about MIL and FIL, and you hate to see them struggle like this. But you are not in a position to take this on. Keep your boundaries firm.

Can you read between the lines with your husband? Many a “good son” earns such status by burdening his wife with the nitty-gritty caregiving of his parents. It starts with an errand here and a bandage change there....then it mushrooms.

Q: Is there a chance it will go that way for you?
A: Yes. “Mission creep” is real. And only you can stop it.

Even if you do not get these vibes from your husband now, be pro-active. Remember - “you, they, them.”

Make a few common sense suggestions That Do Not Involve You Or Your House, then get back to your originally scheduled programming.

I know I’m making a lot of assumptions here. But it’s very common for an adult son to “deal with” his aging parents by using his wife as his human shield and his sin-eater.

I get the impression you don’t want this fate for yourself. And that’s OK. (((big hugs)))
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We were dealing with a similar situation. Denial is the family's coping mechanism. They did allow the assistance of an Aging Life Specialist which was somewhat helpful in getting ready for a Medicaid application. They are not rich people but there were steps they could take to protect the well spouse and so they did those. The Aging Life Specialist was not cheap- I won't say expensive because she has saved them much more money than she cost- but there was an outlay of money that might be a hurdle for your in-laws.

I agree with Eyerishlass. You can encourage them to plan. Keep your boundaries where you want them, though. I found my "help" as an in-law was really not appreciated. It's hard to watch people you care about struggle. But you can only do what you can do. You have your own mom and your children. You can't be the point person for this situation too.
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Eyerishlass is right. Decades ago when my FIL had Parkinson’s, no one did anything. Dad fell, his sons would get the call to come pick him up and, even if he had injured himself and was bleeding, Mom refused to call an ambulance. They lived in a huge house with a huge lot. We kids had to do all the gardening. Finally, when Dad fell outside once, my son ( age 10) found him lying in the garage, semiconscious and bleeding from a head wound. He ran in the house and called 911. The family had to do something then. It was obvious that a 10 year old boy had more sense than the adults. Dad was in a facility in a month.

Anything you do will have to go through your husband. Unfortunately, he “outranks” you in his family. Start the discussion with him first.
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If you, as the daughter-in-law, become the ringleader/manager/coordinator, you might be pulled into your in-law's situation more than you'd like to or need to be. Your husband or one of his siblings needs to take the reins and get some things figured out. You can encourage your husband but you can't make him do anything he doesn't want to do. Right now it sounds as if you're more concerned than your husband's family. That's a slippery slope.

Encourage your husband to meet with his siblings to discuss their parents. Even communicating by email would be better than nothing. Sometimes, in families who don't really seem to know what to do, a decision gets made for them when there's a crisis. Also, many families who are stuck and don't know what to do intentionally wait for a crisis to see which way the wind will blow. A crisis could be an illness or a fall, anything that brings the person to the ER where there is help.

So doing nothing is an option. Waiting to see what will happen.
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