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Benjamin Button is a fantastic movie that happened to be filmed in my city! New Orleans did fairly well in the filming industry. The actors loved filming here. Unfortunately, a former governor, which I will refrain from mentioning, really screwed things up for us.

Then Atlanta started getting our business and many people here lost their jobs due to a loss in filming.

We rely on tourism and filming here was a plus! They spent lots of money while they were here, hotels, dining at our great restaurants or going to hear our local music, etc.

My nephew works in the film industry and is also a musician. Anyway, that was one of his favorite films to work on.

I think it would be so interesting to go from old to young, like in Benjamin Button.
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sp19690 Jan 2023
Cool did you get to see any of the making of the movie in person? When I lived in Florida they filmed one of the Lethal Weapon movies on Clearwater Beach. We went to try and see Mel Gibson and Danny Glover but unfortunately we didnt get to see them in person.

They filmed a movie with Ashley Judd in New Orleans called Double Jeporady. Loved that movie too.

I agree we should all age backwards.
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Your mother's response to your going home and not coming back for dads surgery tells you exactly what your mom expects of you.

"Whose going to wipe me?" As if even your 95 year old dad should be taking that on either. He's not exactly a spring chicken.

I think if you stick to this forum you will be able to stand your ground with mom and not cave into her growing demands and neediness.

You live in Florida perhaps it's time for parents to sell house and move into a facility closer to you.

Florida is old people heaven with lots of resources.

Might be something to consider.

And note I did not say they should live with you.
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lealonnie1 Jan 2023
I'd rather swallow a bottle of pills with a whiskey chaser than ask my children, "Who's going to wipe me?"
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Your mother wants you to be the answer to all her problems. She doesn't want to put in the work to solve them on her own. My father was the same way. I would tell him what he needed to do and he would do nothing waiting for me to do it for him. I had a full time job, kids still at home, husband, a lot of pets and a home. I had enough to do. Made it very easy to just say no.
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BurntCaregiver Jan 2023
@Ikdrymom

Even if you had nothing to do no one gets to decide what you do with your time.
I always believed this. I never made excuses to anyone for why I wouldn't provide child or elder care for them. I'm an adult. I don't owe anyone an explanation for why or why I do not do something.
This has been known to rub some people the wrong way and to be honest, I don't care.
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max - You did good. Your needs have to come first.

My mother had a hip replacement at 99 and for several reasons I didn't drive down to help her. She hired someone for that. She would have liked me to come and live with her then and basically be her servant. No way!!!!

As Barb says - your needs are way more important than her wants. Your health issues deserve to be your priority. for the foreseeable future.

Ignore her mad! Let her be angry. Look after yourself!!!! Breath deep and relax. You did the right thing, Considering your health issues, anyone who makes any demands on you is selfish and or cognitively impaired.
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sp19690 Jan 2023
A hip replacement at 99 seems ridiculous.
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So she gets mad at you.

So?

So what?

Your mother being angry at you isn't physically dangerous to you.

Ignoring your cancer symptoms and missing an Onco appointment IS dangerous.

You need to let your parents arrange their own care, or help them hire a geriatric care manager with THEIR money.
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Hi Guys, can someone help me again? I mentioned that my Dad will be getting a pacemaker probably in February or March. My mom is still on oxygen and my husband is willing to help him during recovery as long as he isn’t traveling for work. My mom just said maybe you should stay. Be proud of me - I said no, I have my oncology appointments and I need an X-ray of my lungs to see if my cancer metastasized. She looked frantic. She said who’s going to wipe me? I answered the occupational therapist is going to teach you. I told my Dad I cannot live here just to clean mom up. He said don’t worry about it. Really? I’m so upset right now that she’s going to yell at me and be angry.
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lkdrymom Jan 2023
So she gets mad and yells at you? How old are you? Yell back at her. She gets to dictate how you live the first 18 years of your life. After that it is all up to you.
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I am not Italian but had 2 Italian Aunts. And you are first generation American. I also live in a well populated Italian area. My one Aunt was first generation. Her parents coming over with 2 children in the 30s and having 3 more. I remember my Aunts mother, very stern. He Dad was a joy.

You go home with ur DH when he comes to get you. Sick or not, you cannot continue to live this way. Your Mom will manage because she has to. If she can't they will need to hire the people they need.

" I HAD BREAST CANCER - ONLY 3 YEARS IN REMISSION -I’M IN PAIN FROM MEDS AND HAVE EXTREME MENOPAUSE SYMPTOMS FROM THEM." Have you told your parents this? That you cannot continue doing for them because you have your own health issues? And now a respiratory infection. Tell your husband to come now.
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Here you go, Maximus:

https://bcsnygroup.com/appointments/?gclid=CjwKCAiAwc-dBhA7EiwAxPRylNyIvc_CnGg74tW1iDNx6m3kZ3Z2BlNDEmWgBcXqYC5IJg3cxQe9GxoCYGYQAvD_BwE

If they can't see you, call your regular doctor for a referral.
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maximus1 Jan 2023
Thanks so much Barb! When I return home, which now is Alexandria, VA right outside of Washington, DC, I’ll be definitely getting help.
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My mother used anger and guilt as a tool to manipulate people to do what she wanted them to do. Everyone is responsible for their own feelings. You are not responsible for your mother's anger. You didn't cause it and you can't control it or cure it.

Seems like you are caught in the fog - fear, obligation and guilt. You can walk away from that. it's hard changing patterns of a life time but it can be done. Therapy helps.

Why are you scared? Don't be afraid. You are doing what you reasonably can for them and for yourself and your hub. I think you are having some totally unreasonable expectations put on you. I gather you think that too. Time to break away from fear of your parents anger and other negative reactions. Detach emotionally, at least to some extent. That doesn't mean you don't love them, but that you don't let their emotions and choices affect you so much. Wishing you the best.
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maximus1 Jan 2023
Thanks so much! I just had a conversation with my husband about why I always needed to please my mom, not my father. Maybe I thought she was the best mom in the world, which she is to me and I think I owe her something, or maybe I never wanted her to be upset with me if I didn’t agree with her. I really hate that I am going on a public forum discussing my personal business, but I am desperate. Thank you once again to everyone!
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Maximus, I don't know if anyone else does, but I get it.

You come from a boundary-less Italian family. I did too.

Here's the thing. If you WANT, you CAN change this dynamic. But it means YOU have to change.

AND it means that you need to be able to tolerate your parents' anger and angst.

Think about what you'd like to do.

There is a counseling group in Bay Ridge/Besonhurst stated by an Italian-American Social Worker to deal with exactly these issues. She started her agency to address the precise boundary-less-ness issues that exist in many families in the area. They do Zoom sessions. You might find some counseling like this useful. Let me know if you'd like the link.
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Beatty Jan 2023
What an excellent find!
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I’m listening to my parents right now saying we traveled and we did it. No regrets that they can’t travel anymore. Do they realize what they are saying in front of 60 year olds who did travel, but still want to travel but for the fact we can’t because they need care? They did it and have no regrets that they can’t travel anymore. Oh my!
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Guys, you’re not going to believe this, but my Dad’s going to have a pacemaker put in and then in February it’s his 95th birthday. We’re really screwed. What happens now? My husband said he’s going to drive to Florida from Virginia and pick me up in 2 weeks. My husband wants my Dad to try to schedule the procedure while he’s here so he can help him. Once I go home I can’t come back and I’m going to hear it! My 1 year old Papillon cannot fly on a plane because he will bark Alford 2 hours straight. We would drive down, but that means when we get home we have to go back right away. Timing is so bad! I’m so scared! A side note, my parents provided me with such an interesting life, never leaving us at home when they traveled and we always went out with their friends. We are Italian American and love to cook together and eat together, and laugh together, but now I’m afraid that our lives will be cut short by caring for parents that feel because we were close to them emotionally that it’s owed. I will be seeking help. Thank you everyone!
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sp19690 Jan 2023
Dear god this is never going to end with your parents. You might as well sell your house and move in with them if you are going to be back in February helping dad again. If they need you to help them they are not independent and should not be living independently.

It is far past the time to talk to them both about moving into an assisted living facility. From here on out expect crisis after crisis with them.

95 and getting a pace maker is just insanity.
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Actually, I do tell her off. She screams and says is that how you treat your mother?
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Beatty Jan 2023
Yes it is Mother. I treat you as an adult. Yet you are behaving as a toddler 😜
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"My mother gets really upset if you disagree with her too. I’m so confused!"

This. ?

Why does this make you confused?

Q. If you LOVE someone - does this mean you need to OBEY their every want or wish?

I never promised in my wedding vows to OBEY my Husband. I never promised my folks or siblings to always obey their every request - from reasonable to rediculous.

I am free to say yes or no.

Others are free to say yes or no to my requests also.
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You do need to be realistic. She isn't going to lose weight at 90 years old, nor is her level of independence going to do anything but decrease. It will never increase.

That said, it's time to work with Dad on what to do about Mom. Caring for her increasing needs is going to burn him out, and he may well die before she does. Her inability to clean herself will lead to infections and skin breakdown.

I was in your situation -- my mother was heavy, couldn't wipe herself, and it fell to me to do that. (My dad had his limits and that was it.) The problem was, I wasn't there but once a week. You can imagine how that went.

It's time to get Mom into some kind of care situation, whether it's home care or a facility.
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BurntCaregiver Jan 2023
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True, at 90 she isn't going to lose weight on her own. I'm sure she doesn't do the grocery shopping herself, so whoever is brining in all the cookies she stuffs herself with needs to stop.
She needs to understand that if she's too big to be cared for by homecare, she goes into a nursing home where there are no cookies. Not even one.
She'll either start being reasonable or she gets placed. If she's still in her right mind at all, she will get reasonable and cooperative with homecare aides coming to help.
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Maxi, GO HOME ALREADY!

Your mommy is mad because it has been so effective at keeping you dancing to her tune. You have been going through this for decades, I'm thinking you just want to rant and continue doing what mommy tells you. Rant away!
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Maxi, GO Home!!!!!!!!!!!
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ANOTHER GUILT RANT FROM ME: WE WERE ALWAYS WITH MY PARENTS - EVERY WEEKEND, EVERY HOLIDAY EVERY TRIP, EVERY SICKNESS. WE CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH! I HAD BREAST CANCER - ONLY 3 YEARS IN REMISSION -I’M IN PAIN FROM MEDS AND HAVE EXTREME MENOPAUSE SYMPTOMS FROM THEM. I HAVE NEVER COMPLAINED AND ASKED FOR HELP. I’M ALSO SICK FROM A RESPIRATORY INFECTION AND SLEEPING ON A PULLOUT BED FOR 7 WEEKS. THERE IS NO DRAWER SPACE FOR MY CLOTHES BECAUSE THEY THREW OUT THE STORAGE BASKETS THEY WERE IN. I ALSO HAVE PTSD FROM AN ABUSIVE BROTHER. READ MY OTHER POSTS. I MISS MY HOME AND MY HUSBAND SO MUCH. I’M SO BORED TOO! MY MOM SAYS DON’T BE LONG WALKING MY PUPPY. SHE JUST BLAMED MY PUPPY FOR BARKING AT HER THERAPIST, BUT HER OWN DOG STARTED THE BARKING. SHE WANTS ME TO STAY HERE FOR EMOTIONAL SUPPORT FOR MY DAD TOO. MY HUSBAND WHO SHE ADORES GOT IN TROUBLE FOR SAYING THAT YIOU HAVE TO START DOING THINGS FOR YOURSELF SO YOU CAN BE INDEPENDENT AGAIN. SHE REPLIED I’M SICK AND YOU'RE GOING ON AND ON. SHE TOLD ME TO GO HOME TO YOUR HUSBAND. SHE WOULD NEVER LEAVE HER HUSBAND, BUT SHE DID LEAVE HER MOTHER AND MOVED TO A DIFFERENT COUNTRY. THAT WAS OK FOR HER. I SUPPORTED THEM AND LEFT MY NEW HUSBAND FOR WEEKS AT A TIME TO TRAVEL CROSS COUNTRY FINDING HOUSES FOR MY BROTHER TO LIVE IN. I THINK I DO NEED PROFESSIONAL HELP. I JUST WANT TO GO HOME! P.S. MY DAD WAS AN AIRLINE PILOT FOR 30 YEARS. THEY TRAVELED SO MUCH AND DID WHAT THEY HAD TO DO. SHE LEFT HER MOTHER. MY HUSBAND AND I NEVER LEFT THEM ALONE WHEN WE TRAVELED. WE WANT OUR LIFE BACK! WE ARE IN OUR 60’s WITH NO KIDS AND WANT TO START TRAVELING AGAIN. THEY DID WHAT THEY HAD TO DO AT OUR AGE. MY DAD IS 95 AND IN EXCELLENT CONDITION. HE CAN CARE FOR MY MOM. THE ONLY REASON SHE WANTS ME TO STAY IS SO I CAN HELP WIPE HER! WE JUST DON’T WANT TO BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF!
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sp19690 Jan 2023
For gods sake you are a 60 plus year old woman. Go home already.

Its not worth making yourself sick over your selfish, elderly parents.

This is a sick relationship you have with them. There's closeness but this is over and beyond that. It's ridiculous.

And yes you are being taken advantage of.
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Maxi, just read your update.

Yes, you need to go home. Just go.

AND YES, you need to get professional help. You need to find a Mental Health Counselor or Social Worker in your area who you can meet with weekly.
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You've devoted your entire life and savings account to your parents and it's still not enough for your mother who wants you to wipe her butt after she defecates in the kitchen. Forever. Refuses to lose weight so she can do this herself, use the tool you purchased, refuses to ask her dh for help, screams like an infant about going to rehab to learn to do for herself, and you are asking an internet forum "what to do?"

Its too late to do anything else but continue devoting your life to a mentally unstable mother until she dies. Had you truly wanted help, you'd have gotten it long before you spent your savings on their mortgage or dragged your husband along to care for people who could have and should have been caring for themselves or paying for care in Assisted Living.

This level of enmeshed behavior is too much to be fixed, imo. It's too deep and ongoing for WAYYYY too long now.

Good luck to you and your poor dh and puppy.
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PeggySue2020 Jan 2023
I don’t see anything about her having given up her life to the point where it’s not fixable. She’s only been there through the holidays.

But, op, the holidays are over. Your husband has returned to work, and you need to go home to your man and your life.
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Maximus, we are not responsible for other people's reactions to our saying "no".

Neither are we responsible for other people's happiness.
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You said "When my wonderful husband told her Mom you need to start trying to become independent again like you were, she went crazy on him and told me go home to your husband. " It sounds more like your mom may think that you want to help her but your husband is manipulative to prevent you from helping her.

Sometimes, in-law's words and methods may not work well, the motivation could be viewed negatively.
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What do you do? You go home. So what if she is mad. Your dad is there. Just because she doesn't want him doing that doesn't mean you have to stay. She needs to figure out another solution. Problem is she just wants you as the solution. Be an adult and stand up for yourself. It is ok to say NO to your parents especially if you are 60 years old. Her issues are not yours to solve. Stop enabling her to do nothing.
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It's difficult to have your mom angry at you, but you are the adult in this situation and it will keep happening. This is your mom now, not a child, but an elder who has become dependent on you. You have to make the decisions for what is best for her and you because of your own circumstances. You live too far away to be her everything and as the years go by she is going to have more of those everythings. You have to tell her that she needs someone else to help her. You may have to set up the help. This particular situation can be solved with a bidet, a specifically designed tool to reach her bottom, or your dad doing it, but the issues will most likely one by one add up to her needing outside help or assisted living. She won't like it. No one does. Realize, too, that anger is a cover for fear. She's afraid. With more information on how to get help and knowing you will only be able to help from a distance, she will eventually let the anger go and hopefully accept her situation. Remember, she is the one in need, not you. Is there any way she could get into rehab now, or is it too late to opt for that?
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maximus1 Jan 2023
Hi ArtistDaughter - She screamed and cried about going to a Rehab Hospital. We are having therapists come in. It’s so upsetting! Thank you for your concern!
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I haven’t read the replies so far, but I really hope you’re now packing your bags and heading home. Your parents plan for their increasing needs, and they will only increase, should never be only you. You’ve given them the illusion that they are independent when in truth they are not. Go home, let them see that they cannot continue as they are. And if mom refuses to wipe, so be it. She will quickly learn the consequences of that. Your presence is only prolonging her behavior. Start packing and go, no explaining or justifying needed
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I am giving you permission to go home. Tell Mom you need to return home for your check up. Do not say you will be back or promise anything. Be evasive when she asks when u plan on returning. Once you get home, then u can apologize and say looks like you can't make it back. If DH is willing to be the scape goat say that he wants you home. He is your husband and your #1 responsibility. As my daughter says "you made this monster".

You Dad is going to have to wipe your Mom. You may want to have a discussion with him that they need some help. That maybe its time for an AL? That your #1 responsibility is to your husband. As Dads #1 responsibility is to his wife.
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It's OK if she's angry about it. You have every right to go back home to your hubby and take care of yourself. I would hire an aide to help with her bathroom issues. She doesn't have to like it but too bad. You call the shots on your own life and there is certainly no need for you to be there just to wipe her darn butt.
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Leave your parents' place immediately. As in today. Get out of there right away.
Your mother says she would never have your father wipe her? Remind her that you are not the one who made a vow to her in sickness and in health. He is.
It really angers me when an entitled elder refuses to have anyone but a person of their choosing wipe their a$$, or change their diapers, or let in their house to help them. It makes me even angrier when I hear one proclaim that someone "can't" clean their crap or help them wash.
Here's the alternative, she stays in her own mess. She doesn't get washed up. The house doesn't get cleaned and the laundry doesn't get done.
You're not trapped. OnWhen your mother gets tired of smelling like sh*t and having an irritated backside, she will try the tool you bought her to help her wipe. Or she'll ask her husband for help. Or she'll start being more open-minded to allowing homecare aides to assist them both in the home.
My dear, you go home today. Cleaning can is not your life. GO HOME! Everything will be fine.
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Get a bidet installed , and leave to live with your husband..

just say no….
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I would get some help for YOU. Seek a few counseling sessions with a Licensed Social Worker in private practice. They are great at helping you comb out life transitions with family concerns and with helping you to develop healthy boundaries for your own protection. Time to make this a New Year's Resolution. As Beatty says, "there will be no solutions so long as YOU are all the solutions." You cannot help others when you yourself are operating stressed and unhealthy. Seek help. My best wishes go out to you.
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NeedHelpWithMom Jan 2023
This is a great idea. Money and time well spent!
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