"Spending Down" to Medicaid: One Caregiver's Personal Journey

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My uncle called me one day and said "Your aunt just got lost again and I can't take it anymore." Thus began my experience with the complexity of Medicaid (Title 19 of the federal Social Security Act), designed to provide medical assistance to those individuals who have minimal assets and inadequate income of their own. Some people have too much income and/or assets to qualify, so they must "spend down" or use up their own money to reach the eligibility levels.

Although I had been a financial planner and advisor for years, I had not come in contact with the Medicaid program personally or through clients, just through reading and seminars. I had learned that planning before acting is VERY important and that eligibility requirements vary by state. Those who specialize in this area, elder law attorneys, medical social workers, and state-employed case workers are your greatest resource to avoid delays and avoid creating periods of ineligibility requiring re-certification. They can keep you from running afoul of the more stringent divestiture rules, including a five-year look-back at transfers/gifts of assets, contained in the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 passed by congress.

So uncle and I met with an elder law attorney to help map out a game plan. Self reliance and frugality (depression-era traits) had allowed uncle and auntie to save a little nest egg, but it wasn't going to last long at the cost of the care she required…and what about him?  The attorney reviewed both the asset and income Medicaid requirements for our state.

 
 

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suemccartin

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Sep 12, 2008

I've been through this, it sucked. There are ways to put stuff into trusts but it's got to be done at least five years before you need to have it done because of nursing home bills etc. My mother was so suspicious she would never even sign a power of attorney and refused to even talk to the attorney about a trust when I encouraged her too....in this case I was having a premonition. If your parents have homes and money they need to get the estate planner at 60 or earlier, don't wait for the problem to happen because it's too late then. I had to scramble like a mad thing to get done what I needed to in two months flat. She had a problem and the nursing home told me nothing (due to hippa laws) until the last second when I'm finally told she cannot be by herself she's not safe.......it was a very stressful and unpleasant mess fortunately I was able to justify a new vehicle and needed repairs to the house and paying off her credit cards to dump the money but I would have preferred to have that inheritence later not now.

 
 

Carolou

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Oct 15, 2008

At 83, my father I believe, is too old for an estate planner. Had my mother not spent his pension money, he would be in fine shape. But, to keep the peace, he did not fight with her about this. Fortunately, I have the POA, but the money situation and borrowing on credit lines to keep Dad in his beloved home, won't last forever. Had there been no reverse mortgage, based on what I have read on this site, I would have moved in. My husband died last November 2007, and in order
for both my dad and I to survive, we have shared the credit line money,
me, in part, not knowing how fast the dementia would cross over into full blown alzheimers. I read what others post about everything I can get to and I could not go to sleep tonight. I just knew there had to be a site somewhere where many others are dealing with this kind of circumstance. So, I turned the laptop back on and I am trying to glean from others' posts where I can learn and figure this all out,

 
 

TREESANSWER

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Oct 22, 2008

My grandfather has been in a non state operated nursing home for about a year. Now he has spend down and is going on medicaid. The nursing home wants to put him out because they do not want any more medicaid patients because they said that medicaid owes them money from last year on other people. I have one other person in this home and I like that home. When I put him in this home they said they would keep him when he goes on medicaid, but now they say no.

Is there any thing that can be done to keep him in this home.

 
 

Cat

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Oct 23, 2008

Call the ombudsman and talk to them about it. Technically they don't have to accept medi-caid, but you can state a case for your grandfather remaining due to Transfer Trauma - DHS in most states as well as administrators are aware of how real and serious TT is for people in SNF's who are forced to move.

remember, squeaky wheel gets the grease. A chat with the local chamber of commerce and local city councilman can help too.

 
 

fishingal67

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Nov 29, 2008

My husband has Parkinson's and is fairly limited now, but I am still able to take care of him and he can do some hygiene task himself with mt help.

We are being urged by senior services to go on and apply for medicaid? I am concerned at what point is the proper time to institute the application process for our best financial position? We don't have many cash assets, a few small life insurance policies, our home we are still paying on, two older high mileage cars, which probably need to be replaced for a dependable vehicle? Having to pay a ongoing visa card balance presently for the forseeable future?

My husband will fight me if he gets to the nursing home stage or if my delicate health issues make me a candidate for care suddenly? I have had triple bypass and carotid surgery with small stroke in 98. I am 67 and he is 68.

We feel we need to move to a larger city for more specialized care and perhaps qualified home care? Presently, services are limited here on the coast which we love. Of course, moving cost could be formidable and then what about selling the house to do it?

We are planning on consulting with a local attorney but I post this to see if any of you can offer us any experienced insights or realistic advice?

Thank you for your possible interest?

If we choose the spousal impoverishment law here in Oregon, if he passes away, where does that leave me financially?

 
 

fishingal67

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Jan 5, 2009

There are national accreditation societies/organizations that can help refer you to competent and reputable professionals you seek. I can't recall their names off hand, but I'm sure you could locate them fast with a key word internet search and follow the suggested links you feel are appropriate?

I have to do this often for my husband.

 
 

I am told that a person is allowed to keep $2000.00Are people on social security allowed that priviledge

 
 

martin

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Jan 26, 2009

What are some of the legal personal items I can spend down some of my mothers money on? She has a couple thousand to much in her bank account.I have been told you can buy her a television etc. but I don't want to do anything wrong that would cause medicaid to stop the paperwork.Her house is in my brother and my name as is her cd's

thanks

 
 

What does suggest removal mean? Is it timeto remove questions that have not had any response?

 
 

To Martin You can put aside $1500.00 in the bank under her name as a death benefit to be used as a part of final expenses . You can also pay Funeral expenses. I have made arrangements for both my husband and for myself a couple of years ago.These are legitimate expenses and it is wonderful to get it done so that when the time comes the burden is lighter.Your mom may or may not want to deal with this, if she does she will b able to have her input and be assured that her wishes will be carried out

 
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