I would encourage him to hire an attorney to help him with the process.
I did not have to provide any of this type of information for my dad to go to rehab. I think that they are over stepping their bounds.
Dad will need to pay her bills, but he doesn't need to provide personal financial information.
Do they not have a supplemental insurance policy? That is potentially the red flag for the facility, if you have assets you should have supplemental insurance in place.
Popsicles, I've never experienced or heard of a facility asking for all the data you enumerated ("bank accounts..cds, stocks, life insurance information...information on cars they own, property etc"), unless this is a facility that's entirely private pay.
What level of care does your mother need? Will your mother be on a private pay basis?
The only time this has been raised with me was by a social worker who wanted to review my father's financial portfolio to determine and "advise us" as to what level of care would be affordable. Since he only needed rehab, which Medicare and Medigap paid for, her demand (not request) was entirely out of order, and I told her so.
Right now , she is in rehabilitation....20 days are being covered by supplemental insurance but starting on day 21, he needs to pay 165 copy per day. The nursing home needs the initial admission paperwork completed but that includes ALL financial information
Sounds like they need assurance he can pay the $165 a day & have information handy should she need medicaid & no one in the family is able or willing to navigate that process. FYI $165 a day copay equals $1,155 a week or $4950-$5115 a month (30/31 days in each month). Is your dad aware of the cost?
If it is Medicaid financial statement and other application documents I am sure it is overwhelming for dad. Would you or someone else be able to help him?
What financial papers specifically? I've reviewed every set of documents for my father's rehab visits (and palliative care then hospice care) and don't recall specific financial documents, although it's been more than a few years. In fact, I don't even recall being asked to provide financial document support when he transferred from rehab to palliative care, although the administrator did ask for a check to be held in abeyance during his stay. I'm sure she verified it with our bank.
Is there a reason for your father's refusal to do paperwork? Have you been contacted? If so, the contact will give you this information. Is there any dementia evident or diagnosed for either your father or your mother? Who helped with the initial entry papers when your mother entered the nursing home? Is she there permanently or for rehab? Do you have POA for either of your parents, or are they fully capable? If your parents are fully capable the Nursing home will contact them whether through administration or Social Worker to assist them with paperwork. If there is some failure mentally for either or both of your parents, and especially if for both, a Social Worker may ask the next of kin (if you or another) to apply for temporary guardianship or conservatorship to work out payment and finances. If you feel incapable of helping you may want to suggest they contact the state to have court appointed conservatorship, in which case the family would not have say in what happens with placement and such ongoing. I cannot find in your profile enough information to tell exactly what is going on so if you are able to give us a bit more information that will help.
Father is simply refusing to complete initial admission paperwork. Mom will be in short term rehab for 6-8 weeks. After 20 days, he will need to pay 165 dollars per day copay. He is balking, and simply refusing. He is mentally capable. There is no viable POAs, as he is my mom's POa and she is his POA. I believe he has the money to pay, but simply does not want to part with it.
I did not have to provide any of this type of information for my dad to go to rehab. I think that they are over stepping their bounds.
Dad will need to pay her bills, but he doesn't need to provide personal financial information.
Do they not have a supplemental insurance policy? That is potentially the red flag for the facility, if you have assets you should have supplemental insurance in place.
What level of care does your mother need? Will your mother be on a private pay basis?
The only time this has been raised with me was by a social worker who wanted to review my father's financial portfolio to determine and "advise us" as to what level of care would be affordable. Since he only needed rehab, which Medicare and Medigap paid for, her demand (not request) was entirely out of order, and I told her so.
Medicare Paet B shiukd be covering the first 20 days, I believe.
Do they have a supplement that will pay the differernce after day 20? Can he cover the copay out of their funds?
The facility wants to know that they will get paid and that they will not be left holding the bag.
Have you been contacted? If so, the contact will give you this information.
Is there any dementia evident or diagnosed for either your father or your mother?
Who helped with the initial entry papers when your mother entered the nursing home? Is she there permanently or for rehab? Do you have POA for either of your parents, or are they fully capable?
If your parents are fully capable the Nursing home will contact them whether through administration or Social Worker to assist them with paperwork.
If there is some failure mentally for either or both of your parents, and especially if for both, a Social Worker may ask the next of kin (if you or another) to apply for temporary guardianship or conservatorship to work out payment and finances. If you feel incapable of helping you may want to suggest they contact the state to have court appointed conservatorship, in which case the family would not have say in what happens with placement and such ongoing.
I cannot find in your profile enough information to tell exactly what is going on so if you are able to give us a bit more information that will help.