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The caregivers that were found who would agree to live in and accept room and board for helping my grandmother were all looking to hide or avoid bad situations in their own lives. It wasn’t readily apparent but became clear over time. My grandmother moved to assisted living at far less cost, gaining far more security and reliable care
Even if you paid a live in full wages and didn’t count the rent, the whole live-in situation introduces caregivers who can and always will shift things to their advantage. Read what I wrote about the in-laws’ caregiver. There is a price for your “friendship” with any Indy sleep aide. The natural tendency for them is to exploit the old person in ways that facilities and reputable agencies won’t tolerate.
I suggest to call the Labor board and find out what the law is for live-ins. You can't expect a live-in to work 24/7. They must have time off. IMO, someone needs 24/7 care, they need to be in a Nursing Home or Assisted Living.
Ive Endured another in law Christmas. They are increasingly enmeshed with the clan of this caregiver presently vacationing in a country that’s been put on no fly restrictions. She’s a green card. Her husband travels here for medical. A couple years ago, caregiver moved her husband in for a couple weeks at which point they set a boundary. Oh, and there’s some child relative of this caregiver boarding there too going on 4 years now. She’s paid over $122,000 a year, too. And she’s not even technically a live in as she gets no mail there and has a residence where she does.
Indy caregivers are by definition in it to make as much money as possible. Unlike facilities and agencies, they are unregulated in what they can take and how they use, even in luxurious situations like this.
Maybe a family member would accept $250 to live-in with a relative, but otherwise paying that little is a fantasy. What exactly would someone gain by accepting so little money? How would they even afford their own expenses (cell phone plan? Car payment/gas? Health insurance? Clothing?). Unless room and board includes supporting them by paying all of their other expenses?
Personally I think you would be better off going with freqflyer suggestion. The problem with 1 caregiver is... You have no one on their day off. You have no one if they become ill. You do have to pay minimum wage. Generally "room and board" is not counted as part of their pay You do have to "follow the rules" and take out taxes. For a while I had 2 caregivers, not full time they were alternating days and worked 7 hours. If one had a schedule conflict they could rearrange their days. And the other part of this is do you really need someone 24/7? If the person is living alone other than caregivers then yes you need someone 24/7. But if they are living with family members and for at least 8, 10 hours the person is sleeping do you really need a paid caregiver? (I was lucky when I got my Husband into bed he did not get up until I got him up in the morning. I did do brief changes while he was in bed, sometimes he was awake other times not)
What my Dad did when he needed caregivers was have 3 caregivers come to house each day, each being on a 8 hour shift. He was paying $20,000 per month but he had saved for that "rainy day", and it worked out great for him. Your $5,880/weekly would be over $20k per month.
That way at the end of the caregiver's 8 hour shift, she/he can go back to their own home and family, and rest up for the next shift. The night shift had to stay awake for their 8 hour shift (usually reading or watching TV) but keeping alert should Dad need help.
Later down the road, Dad moved into a senior living facility where he had his own apartment, ($5-6k a month at that time), and with the money he saved by moving into senior living, he was able to have one of his previous caregivers come by from 7am to 1pm to keep him company and help out at $5k per month.
Possibly but unlikely and often a mess with said caregiver going to the state labor board with complaints, refusing to vacate the premises ("You made your home my home; I get mail here; you want me gone then evict me".)
I think your other alternative is placement. Clearly 24/7 care is needed and it is likely needed to be staffed by several shifts with several workers on each.
You are proposing paying a caregiver 1.48 per hour plus giving her a place to gain tenancy, after which she may or may not be caregiving while perhaps moving in various friends or relatives or backsliding into whatever substance abuse made them homeless and open to such an offer.
It's possible, but it would be silly for someone to accept such a low wage with "free room and board" which is standard for all live in caregivers. You must still meet minimum wage /overtime laws and can only deduct a REASONABLE amount for lodging.....Google it.
The real alternative is to place your loved one in managed care which is much less expensive than live in caregivers.
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We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
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APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
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Indy caregivers are by definition in it to make as much money as possible. Unlike facilities and agencies, they are unregulated in what they can take and how they use, even in luxurious situations like this.
The problem with 1 caregiver is...
You have no one on their day off.
You have no one if they become ill.
You do have to pay minimum wage. Generally "room and board" is not counted as part of their pay
You do have to "follow the rules" and take out taxes.
For a while I had 2 caregivers, not full time they were alternating days and worked 7 hours. If one had a schedule conflict they could rearrange their days.
And the other part of this is do you really need someone 24/7?
If the person is living alone other than caregivers then yes you need someone 24/7. But if they are living with family members and for at least 8, 10 hours the person is sleeping do you really need a paid caregiver? (I was lucky when I got my Husband into bed he did not get up until I got him up in the morning. I did do brief changes while he was in bed, sometimes he was awake other times not)
That way at the end of the caregiver's 8 hour shift, she/he can go back to their own home and family, and rest up for the next shift. The night shift had to stay awake for their 8 hour shift (usually reading or watching TV) but keeping alert should Dad need help.
Later down the road, Dad moved into a senior living facility where he had his own apartment, ($5-6k a month at that time), and with the money he saved by moving into senior living, he was able to have one of his previous caregivers come by from 7am to 1pm to keep him company and help out at $5k per month.
I think your other alternative is placement. Clearly 24/7 care is needed and it is likely needed to be staffed by several shifts with several workers on each.
The real alternative is to place your loved one in managed care which is much less expensive than live in caregivers.