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I think that went out in 1955.
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SecretSister,
Didn't they do that to people that were really depressed?
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Make it two. LOL
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I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy :)
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The hospital I worked in used to do lobotomies. Better behave!
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I think the hospitals are the same today as they were then maybe worse.. This was a small hospital but now it is very large. Things have not changed much. I have a young friend and she is a nurse. She could tell a boat load
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Yes, I have to do the same.
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Hospitals are far from perfect. Having worked in little ones and in huge medical centers, I have witnessed some serious malpractice. I have also witnessed excellent care.

As to the drugging patients, back in the 1950's they used to call it chemical restraints. The practice has pretty much fallen by the wayside, hence the need for me to sign forms for EACH tranquillizer that is ordered to allow the nurses to give the med.
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NANCE, That isn't all that happen. A man was operated on for a Hernia. The doctor said 'well this man doesn't have a Hernia' and one of the nurses said "doctor your operated on the wrong side. The doctor was one of the head doctors in the hospital. They didn't report it because they (nurese) would have lost their job sooner or later. Want to hear more. My husband worked there too. In the operating room they were busy telling jokes. The man he had just operated on was turning blue. My husband tried to get the doctor's attention, my husband yelled "doctor he is turning blue" by that time it was too late. The man died.

It still goes on today. I hate going to the hospital. I had a heart attach in 2007. I told them I couldn't take BP meds. They said well you BP is up. She gave me a pill to bring it down. After they put the stents in they kept me on BP meds. My BP was so low it stoped my kidneys from working. I didn't know what they were giving me. They called another doctor and he took me off of all meds. for HBP. Wouldn't you think my heart guy would have know that. Scary, yes?
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That is sad, hope it has improved.
I'm very glad to hear that it wasn't a NH.
I do agree with checking on things--too bad we have to, but---
As with everything else, all NH's aren't great but the one Mom is in, is very nice.
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NANCE, St Lukes hospital in 1954. Toledo, Ohio
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Reba-Where you from and what hospital was that??
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Yes by all means keep a check on them. Putting them in a home and the next day they are like the walking dead. There is a reason for that. Too much medication. They do it, believe me I worked in a hospital and if they act up that is what they do. The remark was 'I have had enough of this' and she came back with a shot - sleep time 5-6 hours
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That makes me laugh. Those who blow sunshine have their down times, too. Thanks for sticking up for the NH issue. They aren't all bad, but some I wouldn't even put a junk yard dog in. LOL I think it's wonderful for those who do and can care for their loved ones at home. We just know our limitations.

When I have concerns for Dad's behavior, I have asked them to check his meds. They do that often anyway. The one time he was sleeping, and could barely walk, I asked, and they changed it right away (Ativan prn). They are pretty good, and know much more than me. Not infallible, though. All I know is that Dad is doing better than he did at home with Mom, better than he did in the other NH, and my limitations. The rest we leave to God. I do try to stay alert, though. Thanks for reminding us to keep checking when in doubt.
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Hi Nance, and thank you. I know you're a few months ahead of me on this one. Mom didn't sleep again last night, but finally early this morning she conked out and hasn't woken up yet. The dr (he's been her dr for 2 yrs and also is on staff for the nh) went and checked her out. He suggested IV fluids for 24 hrs to prevent dehydration, as she isn't eating or drinking today because she's sleeping. We'll see how it goes. I'm hoping that she'll catch up on badly needed sleep and start turning around.

I checked this place out on the medicare website where they do NH inspections, and it has historically done very well. I've been impressed with how caring and concerned the staff is. They are into transparency, no formal visiting hrs, you can show up any time day or night, can walk into the therapy room and talk with the therapists without appointments, etc. As I said, I'm a nurse and know what to look for, and I think she's getting quality care. I have seen places where I wouldn't put my dog, but this isn't one of them.

By the way, I know some people who would qualify as real nuts by your definition, but I think they're faking it most of the time :)
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Maggie, I had the same experience with my Mom. Nights were hard for her at first.
When she was home I gave her both, lorazepam and mirtazapine-in the NH, they gave her just one because one of them said "as needed". I explained to them that she needed both every night and she's been ok every since.
NH's cannot be blamed for everything that our loved ones do or don't do.
I get tired of hearing how bad NH's are, they give wonderful care, at least where my Mom is, they do.
We complain about caring for one person, they take care of several, all a bit different and they do it with compassion.
It is true that most of them aren't happy all the time, Mom isn't but she wasn't when she was home either.
I'm not happy all the time,show me a person that is and I'll show you a real nut !!!
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Hi all,
Thanks for the advice. I already did that with the drug record yesterday. I'm a nurse, so I know what I was looking at, and she hasn't had any medications that she wasn't already on at home. In fact, after her first night of not sleeping I asked if they gave her the Elavil. The doctor ordered it prn (as needed) but I was giving to her every night because she couldn't sleep without it. They hadn't given it to her because I hadn't signed the form to give her tranquillizers or other mood-altering drugs. My checks since then show they've been giving her just one per night. I kinda don't think medications are the problem here.
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Reba, ou are so right! If you leave your mother there long, you will see what is happening. I still preach--Make the nurses let you see the MAR (report that shows what meds were given on each shift, who gave them, time given, etc). See if there are medications that are given that she was not taking at home. Look up each med and found out what is if for,side effects, etc. When you are a caretaker, you have to become a doctor, a nurse, an administrator, a financial advisor and many other things. Most of all, a fighter. I am convinced that there a many elderly who die in nursing homes because of medicines given to keep them calm and out of the way! Be nice but be suspicious of every one and everything that you see and for sure, what you don't see!!
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I don't believe them. My sister was put in one and she didn't act like that and a bother in law. But if she was my mother I would take her out. Have her blood tested to see what kind of drug they have been giving her. She sounds like they are druging her too much.
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i have not placed my parents in a nursing home, but i am helping an elderly couple for years, and i helped my friend put her husband into a nursing home at the first day he wanted a divorcee sell the home and he would go on his way, but he needed looking after, and he didn't like what was being done, but it needed to be done, once he got the run of the place and settle down, he loves it know i was talking to him when i was sick on the phone, and ask how was he sleeping now, and he said Fernando when my head hits the pillow I'm dead to the world, and brags how he no longer needs to worry about money but he also had trouble sleeping at first, his wife is frail and was not able to look out for him, and they never had kids. but he has been living there for 11 months and his happy. They said it would take 2 weeks to adjust and he has so keep the faith and hang in there and God Bless
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