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Hi everyone. I stopped working with home health care agencies 5 1/2 years ago to help care for my father. He's gone and I'm now helping care for our mother. I have 5 brothers and 2 sisters. My closest sibling, Susan, has moved in with our mother. She being single and able to work from home is a slam dunk to helping our mother and her staying at home.


She had a bad fall earlier this month-- so this has triggered the need of informing the family and beginning of all around family communication in helping my sister and I and yes, our mother. The difficult issue is that my mother is a private person and doesn't want anyone knowing her business. UGH!


Everything has started to snowball.. meaning 2 of my brother's spouses have texted each other about my mother's fall. UGH(again).


I'm seeking out counsel about having a family meeting. This meeting is for the purpose of caring for my mother and helping out the main caregiver - my sister living with my mother. My purpose is supporting and helping my mother and sister.


I have knowledge, but am asking for guidance, simple answers ie) why my siblings spouses are not to attend the actual meeting, and your prayers.


Our elderly need best care possible while maintaining their independence and dignity- this is a monumental task when it's your own mother of 8 kids.


Much appreciated ahead of time for your personal counsel!

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We had a really great experience by having a meeting which an elder law attorney in his conference room. The lawyer was in charge, not a sibling. He kept everyone on topic, and focused on the needs at hand. If someone started a cross conversation, the attorney would demand we focus on what was the most important thing we were trying to achieve.
Also, before the meeting, we talked about no judgement about what anyone could or would do.
I could be reading this completely wrong, but it feels like when you said “agenda”, you mean your agenda.
We did not invite spouses, but that was no problem unless we were going to ask them to do something.

I am going to show my prejudices, but if you pressure your siblings to give of their time in caregiving, often it will be their spouse that does the actual work.
The attorney meeting was the best thing us siblings ever did to get a focus and advice outside of our own opinions. It brought us together as a unit instead of a bunch of individuals. We did say if someone did not come, they would not have any say in the decisions we needed to make. 5/7 came.
I highly recommend you do this.
It is like herding cats though. We range in age from 70 to 47, and are from 3 different mothers but the same father, so you can imagine the different concerns, worries.
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I too am one of 8. My Mom passed last year but remember this scenario well. I would conference siblings in that cannot make it. I would use this time for your Mom to decide who the Power of Attorney will be and the executor of the estate(no matter the size). We did not have spouses but don’t think they were necessarily excluded. My husband took fabulous care of my Mom when she was at our home and you will need all the help you can drum up! I would also start investigating in home caregiving for when times get rough and your sister needs a second set of hands or a good nights rest.

Keep in in mind some will not pitch in at all or minimally. Just keep them in the loop. I used to get annoyed but after Mom passed I realized everyone did what they could do. I may not understand or know the reason but that’s ok.
Praying all goes well.
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Why should sibling spouses be excluded from meeting?  Will it set a pattern, or send a message that they are "outside the magic circle"?  After all, spouses are certainly affected and if you basically tell them to "get lost" you may regret it later on.
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We are a much smaller family. I no longer have a spouse, my brother is married to a doctor. Db has all POA.

My former mil has 2 sons, only her dils have ever done anything at all for her.

i cannot imagine not including the spouses of your siblings in the meeting. More so if they have been part of the family for many years. They could well be your biggest supporters.

I do not understand the concern about sils texting each other about your mother’s fall. Of course they should be included in the phone tree. Or do you expect your brothers to not share with their wives? Are you married?
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Cynthia,

You are being so mindful in managing your mom’s care. You will surely do well by her. 

Because she is your mother, it is natural that first responses, from everyone, will be emotional.  Care decisions also involve money, which can be a difficult issue to discuss openly with family, and when in-laws/spouses are affected. 

Your siblings will want to know details of mom’s fall and be ready to jump into decisions. 

But, I suggest that you begin the meeting by getting agreement on one thing first- 

This is everyone’s mom, and everyone’s thoughts will be heard without interruption.

Then, come to agreement on what your collective goals are for mom’s care. 

This means everyone must be given a chance to speak, and someone must write down the key words that are said. 

It would be wonderful if you could ask your Mom ahead of time what she wants for herself so it can be shared with everyone and included.

The list is then prioritized by the group and the group should agree that the list will guide the decisions you make going forward. 

The list might look like - 

Our goals are that Mom will...
BE SAFE from harm. 
BE FREE FROM PAIN
PARTICIPATE IN DECISIONS about her care as long as she is able. 
LIVE AT HOME with family for as long as physically or financially possible. 
BE SUPPORTED IN DOING things she loves for as long as possible. 
NOT HAVE HER AFFAIRS discussed with spouses or other relatives. 

When emotionally, morally or financially difficult decisions arise, the list will be your True North. When disagreements arise, your list will be a reminder of what your agreed upon goals are for mom (not for the group), and what mom wants for herself.

There may come a time when you cannot provide or meet every goal on your list. But, if you’re still meeting the higher priority goals, you will find reassurance that your decisions are in her best interests. 

Once you have your list, ask family to allow you, without interruption, to explain the current situation. You’ll be starting from a place of agreement and focused on agreed upon goals, which more empowering to everyone.

Later, I suggest that you share the list with everyone in writing, and bring it to any future meetings (along with a POLST or Advance Care Directive if Mom has them) where it can be visible - not as “rules” but, as a reminder of what you collectively want most for your mom. 

Lastly, if Mom does not have a Power of Attorney named for 1) financial and 2) healthcare decisions, it would be important to have her do this now. Then, you will all understand who has the legal authority to carry out decisions on mom’s behalf. 

Good luck! Your mom is so fortunate to have you.
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I will pray for you.
Yes, have a family meeting. Tell your siblings that their husbands/wives are not to attend. This is a "family" issue that must be dealt with as your Mom's children.
Your siblings can discuss with spouses 8f they choose afterward. If your in-laws are upset, so be it. Your siblings must be bold enough to explain. Do you think your in-laws would ask you to be involved if the situation was reversed? That probability is most likely 0.
You're very blessed to have 8 siblings to turn to about this.
I would look at it like having to deal with having to make the decision about pulling the plug. ONLY IMMEDIATE FAMILY CAN MAKE THAT DECISION. This isn't any different.
This is an issue for immediate family.
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rovana Aug 2018
I think it is unfair and unwise to exclude spouses.  Why would you?  They will be affected down the line and if you tell them to get lost, they just might.  And trying to divide spouses is just wrong. The exception I would see here is if mom has so much money that no real care is likely to be needed that cannot be outsourced to paid caregivers.  Don't think that applied here.
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Your town should have a dedicated social worker. Call on them.
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We scheduled a family meeting with my pastor (who was former pastor of attendees and well respected by all.) He helped keep things calm and on target. I would advise the sis-in-laws be invited as their opinions carry a lot of weight with their spouses. One of my SILs was my greatest helper.
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We had a meeting this spring and 5 of 7 siblings were able to make it. I called an elder law attorney and made an appointment. We all love each other and get along. But without an objective third party, I am sure nothing would have gotten done. The attorney even said “Stop it!” at one point when there were side conversations going on.
He told us what we should be focusing on, and what problems to let go. Since my Dad had been recently dx with vascular dementia and was very difficult to handle, he did not come to the meeting.

We we were able to get the process going, all had the same knowledge, and got our questions answered.
It hasn’t been all smooth sailing, but without the third party running the meeting, we would not have accomplished anything.

I think if you go into the meeting expecting everyone to help equally, you are going to run into a lot of anger and resentment. Some people just cannot be caregivers, and guilting them into that situation will create a bigger problem.

We we decided there would be no guilt put on anyone. 4 of the siblings had been dealing with Dad and his drama and craziness for 40 years.
Everyone had to be free to decide if they could do anything at all.
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As one of 7 - i know the feeling -
my mom used to say it took one mother to care for 7 children but
it takes 7 children to care for one mother!
just remember some will go above and beyond and others will do minimal - just let it be.
these are the last things you be able to do for your mother and you will cherish that time when its over!
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This was a number of years ago, but my MIL was diagnosed with lung cancer and was in and out of hospitals and various homes for her last year, most of her time she was at our house (my husband was the oldest son and had been pretty much the one everybody depended on for years). My FIL had heart issues and mild Parkinsons, so was pretty much useless, and they didn't get along well. She had ten children, one of whom lived out of the country. We found out as we worked through the situation was that the oldest daughter and two DIL's wound up taking care of her. She was no longer able to keep up her house, so her youngest daughter lived there (whole different story). Part of the problem was that most of the daughters were emotionally unable to deal with her decline in health. We did have a daytime caregiver through the county who was really good when she was at our house, as both my husband and I were dealing with our own business during the day, but one or the other of us could get loose for part of the day occasionally. There was no money available; she was on SSI and they got minimum Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid, and the oldest son and daughter took care of whatever came up, and the youngest son and his wife took her at the end, as she was home during the day with her kids. (BTW, her kids and our kids were a lot of help, just fetching things and doing simple care.)

In our case, the family dynamics were such that a family meeting would have been a disaster; the emotional issues were too much. (It took that whole year to work it all out, but at the end of the year everybody was speaking to everybody, which was a miracle.)
Families are all different, with different dynamics. What might seem logical on the surface might not work at all, especially with large families with their own histories.
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Very difficult situation.... Dad is gone, had to move mom to a facility earlier this year. I am the oldest of the - the only female. My mother still had her own home ( a whole separate issue) and one of my brothers lived in the in law apartment above. He took her to all of her appointments and basically "took care" of her. The other brother always had an opinion, but was never there actually dealing with any of it. Unfortunately, the "other brother" has decided to remove himself from dealing with us and I have not seen him since mom moved in in March ( I invited him to tour facilities with me). Being the POA for my mom, I HAD to make the best decisions for my mom and myself. I still have a family to take care of. Better for mom - socially ( even though she does not remember going to activities or outings) and for me - knowing she is safe, fed and cleaned up. Never easy to see a parent this way.... Go with your gut and DO NOT let yourself feel guilty about your decisions. Best of luck.
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This post hit a nerve--

5 of us surviving kids--elderly mom who lives with youngest brother. I was going up 3 days per week to help--he was burned out and not doing the job he signed on for--so I facilitated a meeting last Jan.

WORST IDEA EVER.

I asked for no spouses to come---YB brings his wife, as they are "one".

I had a bullet point agenda and what I thought was a good rule--we each had 5 minutes to talk, and then we'd roundtable all other thoughts. (Just trying to figure out how to help YB and his family and Mother with better care as she ages) No judgment--but that's how he took it.

YB came out swinging. Weirdly, mostly at ME. And remember, I was one of the 2 caregivers!

All that resulted was bad feelings, I have barely spoken to this brother since. I don't care to be in the same room with him. He was so vicious and nasty. My feelings were hurt beyond belief. NOBODY stood up for me (until the next day when I go 3 "gosh, I'm sorry" emails.

We should have had a moderator, I should have remembered that this brother has the worst temper in the world. Even his wife, who is really a mouse, was angry and "shouted" at me.

All I wanted was to set up a better caregiving schedule. It was not about assigning blame and anger towards those sibs who would not help, ever.

We did have a prayer beforehand. I am not the oldest, and so felt like I should allow my sister to kind of take over. She is Dr. No Shot. Amazingly gracious and giving to a fault--yet YB just raged for 90 minutes--not allowing anyone else to say anything. I was personally "fired" from caregiving and I did not go back. Mother's place is dirty and she is lonely and totally dependent on YB taking her places. I am not allowed in his home now. Others need to call first.

It was a fail of the most epic kind. We are fractured as a family and it will not get better. Mother's ONE other caregiver got kicked to the curb. Any ideas of having outside help a couple days a week were kiboshed by YB. He would not allow strangers in his home.

All I wanted was better/more care for mother. What actually happened is that I no longer speak to YB, mother is confused as to why I can't ever come by and still gets no outside help.

These family things often wind up this way, I hear. I know I'm not unusual in this. Sad, so sad.

I hope you get a moderator, take notes and make sure everyone has had their say. Be aware that everyone will NOT agree. Some sibs will have very strong feelings about things, some will not care at all.

I came away sad, depressed and embarrassed for my siblings. Mother will pass, some day, and we will likely all just fracture off into different places.

Hoping your family goes better than ours--it couldn't be worse!
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CTTN55 Jul 2018
I was thinking of your family meeting, Midkid, while reading this thread.

I had a telephone conference call one time with my three brothers about a year and a half ago (after one of my mother's panic/dizziness spells that culminated in an ER visit). It put them on notice of my mother's failing abilities.

But of course nothing changed. I was hoping they would make visits to her more often. My older brother (now retired, as his wife) has made it clear that he will come twice a year. The other one comes about every 4 - 6 months (he is the closest, at 6 hours away). And the other one (aka Sonny No-Show) hasn't been here in 1.5 years...
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Your biggest problem is that your mom is of the era that you kept private all financial information - my parents would order a new car & would not tell anybody until it arrived in our driveway [sometimes weeks later] so I know what you mean - however this means often the people of that generation didn't get the best advice - I think there were many who benefitted from that ignorance & lined their own pockets to the detriment of our seniors

Your meeting will mean the end of the secrecy & that could be your mom's biggest adjustment - I would suggest that the family look within itself for whoever has talents & use them [ like someone who works at a bank would take care of the money & give an annual report to all ] - with 8 people [do not count spouses] it could be chaotic so assign actual tasks to some & designate others as backup ie brother #4 takes her to medical appointments but sister#2 does so when he is unavailable etc - good luck
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I will put in my two cents that in-laws be included. If having them there will add drama, imagine the drama they'll stir up when excluded. If your brothers side with them as I believe will happen for the sake of peace in their homes, then you have 2 people pushing against any ideas you have. I would include them & ask for equal help from them, a put up or shut up type move. Anyway my family of 7 has not been cooperative in this journey but I wish you the best because I know it's possible for moms sake.
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rovana Aug 2018
I think is it just sensible to include spouses since they are affected. One of the posters above talked about excluding the wife of a younger brother who was taking care of mom in his home - I bet that wife was doing plenty!  Sounds insulting to imply that her input did not matter.  Fact is that married people ARE "one" and as long as they are not totally estranged, that fact should be considered, if only out of common sense.
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My biggest piece of advice is to bring in a professional to mediate the meeting. A professional can keep the meeting on track, redirect if things start to devolve or if old wounds/resentments get brought up. A professional can also be an objective, third-party person to hear all sides and try to combine everyone's input into a plan that is the best compromise if there are differing views. In order to find someone to mediate, you could contact your local Area Agency on Aging to see if they can direct you to someone--such as a professional mediation business, social worker, family counselor, or even sometimes a spiritual leader like a minister/pastor/etc.
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Hi Cynthia. I have quite a bit of experience in this area as I’m the middle of 9 children and was part of our mother’s care for many years until she passed a few years ago. There were several of us kids that lived close by to her - she lived with my second eldest brother. At times and especially in the beginning of her needing care, it was challenging - so many opinions and often conflicting. What eventually worked well for us was the brother (#2) & his wife whom she lived with, primarily made her appointments and 2 of us - myself and brother #8 worked together to get her to/from her appts and would report to brother #2 & wife. The three of us siblings consulted often and between us 3, made the decisions. The others (who either lived far away or were very busy with life/families) were informed but not included in the decision making process unless it was as critical issue. In-law’s were not allowed in this process with the exception of brother #2’s wife who played a significant roll in her care & decisions as she was really, mom’s number one care taker (bless her heart!) it took a little while for some sibs to settle in and trust that mom was well taken care of but things settled in and this arrangement was finally agreeable to all. It’s important to find what works best for your sister who is your mom’s primary caregiver as she will need all the support she can get. Also, your mom needs to know (and experience) all the kids working in harmony. Otherwise, it will have a real negative impact on your mom - emotionally and physically. I hope this helps and best wishes to all your family at this difficult juncture.
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As a business owner who has worked form home for seventeen years, I saw a red flag when I saw that your sister will be caring for your mother and works from home. I will say that, when my mom fell in December and suddenly became an invalid, my first thought was to move in with her and care for her since I work from home and it would be "easy" for me to do this. I don't know what state your mom is in or what kind of personality she has, but this situation soon became a nightmare. I was at her beck and call 24 hours a day and I almost went out of business because I simply could not work. I don't want seem to be negative, but maybe be sure to discuss this at the family meeting: that this is definitely a trial run and also, your sister is going to need someone every day for a few hours to completely take over. Also, many people on here have found out the hard way that there has to be a caregiver agreement--done very legally, notarized, etc--and your sister should be compensated by your mom for her care. Good luck. I am in awe that your family is even agreeing to this. I finally walked away from my mother and brother earlier this week because I've given everything for twenty years and my mom would not even give me shared power of attorney for her medical care while my brother was cutting me off from talking to her doctors. Things can get ugly fast. I hope you can all work things out! xoxo
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Tough situation ! We had a similar situation with my husbands family (6 siblings). My advise, other than a good mediator type councilor, is to be clear when the discussion starts that due to numbers it will be easier to meet with just the siblings and this way information can be handed down to spouses and grandchildren from the sibling. As far as agenda- making it open for others to step up and lead if they want ( this usually allows the initiator (you) to move forward as the lead of the family meeting. Topics for the agenda can be: Discussion of Mom's current state of health and care. Discussion of alternative Care options to the current one. Financial support. How can each of us support Mom? These topics can then be handed off to a sibling to look into or report back on, giving everyone a part in the process (if they want it). As a Health care person, you seem to me to be the obvious choice, but there may be a nurse or Doc spouse in the mix (there ware in our family) who always wants to put in their input. Make giving suggestions a positive thing rather than a negative. Make it clear that each sibling can report and discuss with their spouse whatever is discussed. It may start out overwhelming but soon everyone gets on the same page once the goals are realized (ie: Care of Mom, Support (respite) for sister) Not sure if every sibling is close by but those farther away can be helpful with sending cards, calling regularly, and perhaps financial if needed.. Mom has fallen- you do not say how old she is or if the fall resulted in a broken hip or not, but it will probably not be the last fall. Making the house safe and how to do that could be on the Agenda. My mom loved her area rugs yet we slowly removed them as she would trip on them.

Hope this helps. "Outlaws" are usually (hopefully) just trying to get their spouses to recognize that there may be an issue. They also may be the best choice to provide respite for the sister living with Mom as this will give some distance from Mom to her kids and may work in your favor if she is a private person.
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Please consider setting up the meeting somewhere other than your mother's home - ideally not anyone else's home either. Our church has a meeting room setup like a large living room with a kitchenette for coffee and light refreshments. Something like that would be good. Hotels also have similar meeting rooms that can be rented. This is going to be an emotional meeting - my observation has been that people behave better in more public settings than they will in any family home. It's also much easier to walk away if things go badly.

Since your mother has dementia, I hope POAs and a will have already been taken care of. If so, I think it's appropriate to announce these documents exist and who has them. I think it would be appropriate to list some expenses Mom now has related to her declining health (like respite care or home modification) and whether Mom has the money to support these extra expenses or whether the family needs to help (by providing respite care or making as many of the home modifications as skills sets allow).

If you can involve everyone in doing some small task at your mother's home, it will allow them to be on the team, to "see" what's happening and avoid making people feel left out. Mowing the yard, raking the leaves, delivering the groceries, washing windows, help with deep cleaning, other tasks that get pushed out by daily care giving are good ones to engage help. A brother and SIL coming over one night a week for "dinner and a movie" with mom while you and your sister have a few hours off would also be good.

Please remember that siblings often split over using a parent's money for their care. I'm on the side that a parent's money should be expended for their care and there's only an inheritance if there's something left over. In two generations of my family, I have observed the side that believes using a parent's money for quality care is a "waste" and the primary focus should be on keeping assets in the family. Don't be surprised if some version of this split shows up in your family. If the POA has already been engaged, announce Mom's money will be spent on her care. If some family member wants to make sure some item stays in the family, then make sure they understand the item must be purchased at fair market value because Mom cannot make any gifts because she needs to be able to qualify for Medicaid someday. Since your sister is living in Mom's home, it might be good to discuss when/home your sister will be leaving that home with a time line (6 months after Mom's death or move to SNC?).

Another topic you may need to be prepared to address is whether your sister is paying "rent" or other expenses for living in mom's home. A lot of people think someone should pay to have their sleep interrupted most nights and provide care to a dementia patient. Personally, I think it's reasonable for the care giver to contribute a portion of monthly utility and food expenses but it's inappropriate to pay rent when providing care. If the care giver leaves employment to provide care, then I think even the portion of the monthly expenses should be waived in partial compensation for the care provided.

Good Luck!
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A couple of thoughts here. First, when parents are fully capable of verbalizing their wishes and reviewing their respective finances, it does make sense to have it only be the children. At that point, it is more of an open discussion and informational to the children of what the parents have laid out with their own planning and their wishes. And hopefully, we as parents with children of our own, will move into our aging years by being open with our children in the same manner.
When the tide turns and the children are having to be more supportive and provide more proxy care of the parents (be it moving in with or housing aging parents; more hands on care and daily monitoring; attending medical appointments; managing of the finances and household; financial support, etc), it makes more sense to involve both the children and their spouses. As a number of other respondents have mentioned, husbands, and wives for that matter, should discuss with their spouses both time and monetary commitments that may be needed to assist with the care and support of aging parents/family members. It will impact their marriages and their immediate families. Not everyone is coming to the table in the same position (young children at home versus empty nesters; stay at home versus full-time working versus flexible remote worker; healthy and physically capable versus dealing with own health issues; financial status, etc). And everyone should be supported that what THEY FEEL is the best they can offer to the situation is accepted and appreciated. The one thing I have found over the past dozen years is that no matter what the situation, and it does evolve over time, it takes a Village.

While, yes, there will still need to be one or two of you to take point on managing/coordinating the day to day, your siblings and spouses may have various talents to assist that can help ease the burdens of feeling that it all falls on your shoulders. Home maintenance, scheduling/transporting to doctor's appointments, grocery shopping, bill paying, yard work, etcetera, become even more challenging. And if finances are an issue for your mother having family members pitch in with what they can do helps them feel a part of her support system and spread her resources further.

And speaking of finances...if there is a need for your mother to have financial support for her care needs, then this needs to be transparent to those being expected to contribute. It is hard to get behind the "Mom doesn't have enough finances, so just give us money" attitude if you don't know how Mom is fixed financially and where the expenses are going. I am not saying that is what you and your sister are doing, it just does happen in a lot of families.

The open communication can assist with supporting each other as you go through the process, and it may even bring the family closer as they rally together to support your mother versus create feelings of alienation by being intentionally left out of the loop.

Best of luck to all of you!
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rovana Aug 2018
Great answer!  Especially the part about financial transparency.  It is only fair to "open the books" to anyone is expected to make a financial contribution and really prevents a lot of resentment later on. I had to walk away because of the emphasis on financial secrecy.
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Ref SILs - it depends what they're like. Personally I can't help feeling that we'd have got a lot further with family co-operation if we'd put my SIL in a sack and dropped her out of a helicopter; but of course it's different if they're actively involved in the care plan and, crucially, if one's parent gets on well with them.
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A family conference is always a good idea.

Rewind. Is almost always a good idea.

You seem to have some negative expectations hovering around - what's the issue with your SILs' texting one another? Shouldn't they?

Aim is to support mother and primary caregiver sister, good.

Have you a sort of SWOT list you could share with us? What contributions/obstacles are you hoping for/dreading from the rest of the family?
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rovana Aug 2018
I agree - would it be better if SIL's just ignored mom's bad fall?  Like what does that have to do with us?  If you want family cooperation then you are going to have to bite some bullets.
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I also feel it would be good to have the SILs there, they will be involved after all in some way or another. My FIL likes to have me involved, I have the medical experience,, and they may also have some good imput
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Not sure why you want to exclude the SILs from the meeting? If you are just trying to control the scope or duration of the meeting, I’m not sure that’s the best tactic. Your brothers are definitely going to discuss the meeting with their wives, as they should. Especially if time or money commitment is your goal. The thing is, my DH has no clue what would be involved in caregiving, and he’s not really comfortable discussing it. Leaving me, his wife, out of a meeting like that wouldn’t be beneficial toward your goals, and getting something accomplished right there at the meeting. And he would clear time or $$ with me before committing anyway, and your brothers might too.

So how can you control the scope and duration of the meeting with everyone there? I would suggest approaching this just like I would hold a meeting at work, and collaborate with your sister to develop a good agenda:
1- Have your sister detail the current state: what does she (and you perhaps) do for your Mom on a daily basis. Hygiene, feeding, dressing, shopping, cleaning, whatever. How much do these services cost your sister? Cost your mom? Is money a problem? Who has POA? Can she show a current budget with expenses if asked? Is your Mom happy? Is sister happy? Is she healthy and thriving? How is the current state working out for her?
2- What does your sister need help with right now? Money? Respite? Someone to handle dr appts? Shopping? Appointments? Ideas?
3- What do you see as your Moms future needs? More help at home? Assisted living? Nursing home? Medicaid? When do you see these changes happening? Timetable? What will she need to make that happen?

If she can can develop an agenda and stick to it, you both might get the most out of a meeting with the entire family.
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I think it is a mistake to think that you will protect your mother's privacy better by leaving your brothers' wives out of the meeting. Do you think your brothers won't discuss their mother with their wives?

I heard a statistic that people who have four or more daughters and/or daughters-in-law are less likely to need nursing home care. Now this was about ten years ago, so maybe many more men are stepping up and providing the kind of care that keeps one from going to the nursing home. But that is not the experience I have or have seen in the families of my friends.

But maybe you and your sister do not want anyone else providing hands on care. You said the meeting was to design ways to support your sister. I wish you the best of luck. If you are asking your brothers for their time, or their money, they are most probably going to need to discuss it with their wives. You may get more cooperation from the wives if you haven't made them feel as though they are not part of your family.
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I agree; we need more information on your situation.

5 boys and 2 girls. And the two sisters are the ones who want to get everyone together to help out your mother's main caregiver (your sister).

5 brothers should mean a lot of manpower and a lot of help. But will it? And will your mother refuse any help from them, insisting that they are too "busy"? (Yes, a number of elders think elder caregiving is women's work.)

Are all of your brothers local? Have you made a list of all of the things that would help your sister out? I take it that you are already helping your sister.

Be prepared that the way it is now (the girls helping the mother) is probably the way your brothers like it.
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You are asking for contention by excluding spouses, they are a team and anything they do for you, your sister or their mom will have an impact on their homes and families.

Your mom is private, okay, tell them no Facebook postings and ask for discretion as mom doesn't want everyone to know her personal business. Mom doesn't need to know what they know.

I would never interfere with my husband and his helping his family, but I would think you were trying to create a separation and I would think you had a lot of nerve to try and separate us.

Let them come if they choose, open the meeting with some ground rules about privacy and deal with things as they come up, alot of "what ifs" never materialize.

Hard feelings last a long time, please try to avoid creating any with your siblings spouses. The wives may be more hands on help then your brothers, so you could essentially be cutting your helpers in half.
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I agree that the meeting should just be the children. But...some in-laws probably will not like being left out. But too many people stirring the pot is not good. Start out by saying that Mom is private. She has expressed she doesn't want everyone to know her "business". That you won't be announcing everytime she has a problem. Of course, hospital stays and anything life threatening they will be told about. Remember each person has their strong and weak points. Some may not be caregivers but can cook a meal. Babysit Mom while Sister has time to herself. Another could take Mom to appointments. By spreading out responsibilities, it lessens the stress. Make a list of things Mom and sister needs done. Maybe one sibling can do grocery shopping, another clean. Let them pick what they feel they can do. Don't delegate but don't let anyone say they can't.
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rovana Aug 2018
Unless this is just an advisory meeting, no real help requested, then I think preserving secrecy is unreasonable. Discretion beyond the family, for sure. But financially, I think it is unfair to expect anyone to contribute without transparency in financial matters.  I sure would not. To expect someone to provide help or money without honest disclosure is to treat them as if they were not a family member.  And would an "outsider" want to help?
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you're lucky to have so many siblings to help out - hopefully you can all get along.

If I was married to one of your brothers, I personally ~wouldn't~ want to put in my two cents.

But if they are close and care about your mother it's hard ~not~ to include them at least a little.

I tried to think of some *ways* to exclude the SIL's, but I cant think of how you can do that w/o sounding offensive.

I think its best to include everyone, because from the get-go you could make people upset. and then that could end up causing more friction, than you originally expected to avoid. that's just my opinion, like I said if was me as a SIL I would butt out anyway.

I am my moms POA and I always try to include my sister, because if she suspected I was trying to NOT include her, there would be ...trouble...

edit. I just think if you try to exclude, then they going to PUSH harder and hold a grudge- so if you just include them, you take away that 'fight'
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rovana Aug 2018
I think the reason there is no "non-offensive" way to exclude SILs is because in fact trying to exclude them is offensive.  The exception would be a SIL who was estranged from mom and who had made it clear that she was not going to help, and further would not allow her family to be involved if it inconvenienced her. That SIL could safely be ignored, at basically her own request.  Think about it - in a healthy marriage, marriage is the strongest tie and deserves the most respect - not family of origin.
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