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I think my 84 year old mother is possibly being scammed by some 50 year old gardners. I don't know what they are up to but I see red flags. They are way to involved in her life and they are all she talks about besides her tv shows. Unfortunately my mother is in love with one of them so she only gets defensive if I question their motives at all. Part of me wants to help and part of me is ready to let her get what's coming to her. So back story growing up I had a narcissistic mother (I realize that word is thrown around a lot but I have been to therapy and the therapist labeled her that) She is perpetually an immature teenager who looked the other way and allowed our father to abuse us kids horrifically. She lived in denial defending him until I left home at 16. She stayed married to him for years after that due to finances and not wanting to work, then she moved on to remarry twice after that. Her life has always centered around men taking care of her. I went no contact for most of my adult years. Anytime I tried to let her back in, she would do something atrocious and back to no contact I'd go. When I had my own child, I tried to find compassion and forgiveness. After my father died, I thought she would be safer to be around although I never left my child alone with her. Fast forward, she is now in her 80's. She makes no effort to visit us even though we don't live far away. She is invited to birthdays and holidays but always has an excuse. Doesn't feel well (but refuses to go to the dr) her cats will miss her... on and on. Then she complains how she has no help.. she's all alone, always a victim. I have offered to help her move closer to us but she always has an excuse. I offer to help, but she acts like I'm incapable. She's always had to have a man around to help her. Then I found out she has been having a physical relationship with the 50 year old landscaper of her 55+ living community. It started to make sense why she didn't want to leave the community where she has hardly any friends. The 50 year old guy is now in prison for dealing meth! She thinks it's no big deal. She talks to him almost every day in prison. Now the business partner in the landscaping has asked my mother out to dinner. He too is 50. When I questioned what she really knew about these men and why both men would be interested in dating a woman in her 80's she got extremely mad and hung up on me. Apparently to her it's not a legit concern, it's an insult. Even though she has absolutely no life, all she does is watch tv, will only go 3 blocks to the grocery store. Never walks or exercises, or does anything. When I talk to her she goes on and on about reality shows she watches. I'm sure those guys find her so interesting. She refuses to go to doctor and dentist appointments and has barely any teeth left. Yet she thinks she's so hot and so interesting that of course 50 year old guys are into her. She has hardly any friends and I am her only family. She has been a horrible mother and grandmother and I just want out her out of my life. She always chooses men over everything else and not good one's at that. I really only let her back into my life so my son would have a grandma, but he is 10 and hasn't seen her in 3 years. I'm ready to give up. She will never change. Oh and when I simply said I was "worried" about these guys intentions she went full force narcissist attacking me and avoiding the subject. I think I just answered my own question writing this. I don't want to take her abuse anymore. Thank you for listening.

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Sounds like my mother in many ways. All about men, her life was all about BBB=Boys, Bowling & Booze.

She was full blown "NPD". Very verbally abusive.

I went no contact for 4 years, went back, then 9 years went back, finally 14 years ago I went no contact for life. She died in April she was 100. No one except my brother spoke to her, the rest of the family went no contact 40 years ago.

Me, I finally learned my lesson, she was never going to change, it came down to her or me, I chose me.

That is a choice only you can make all I can say is don't let her destroy your life.

I wish you the very best!
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Alia51 Jun 9, 2025
Thank you for sharing your story. I'm sorry you had a mom like that. Good for you for choosing yourself. I feel inspired to choose myself again too. You are right, the biggest truth is they never change! Mine has moments where she seems kind but there is always a back handed compliment right behind it or a self centered reason. She'll still talk about my father in a kind light even when she knows he was horrifically abusive and I went no contact at 16 til he died. She knows I hate to even hear his name. When she says something horrible, I freeze, even after all these years I'm still surprised at the audacity of hurtful things she says. In my younger days I didn't put up with it. Somehow after having my child I thought she'd magically become a decent person and want to be a good grandparent. But of course, they never change! It's actually scary to think how much I've put up with these past years letting her back in. And to think she could live to 100! I am not putting up with another 16 years of this. I started no contact a few days ago and I already feel lighter and happier. The support here has been so helpful. Thank you.
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Sadly your mother will never put you or your child first, so quit trying to get her to do so. She doesn't know how to put anyone besides herself and her men first and from the sounds of it that will never change.
So by all means cut your losses and get on with living and enjoying your life, as you deserve better. And let the chips fall where they may for your mother.
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Alia51 Jun 8, 2025
Thank you. I really appreciate you taking the time to validate my thoughts. I'm too embarrassed to even tell this story to friends, but it helps to have some support. It's crazy I can even feel guilty cutting her off when she has never been there for me. I am going to move forward and be free.
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Just saying ditto that your Mom may have been a narc but is now probably also in the shallows of dementia, seeing she is deluded about the gardeners. Two things can be true at once. And you were deluding yourself thinking she would ever be someone she never will be and never was. Longing can be such a powerful, blinding drug. The only way to help her from a safe distance is to report her and the men to APS and then remain no contact. We don't get to pick our family members but we do get to pick how much we interact with them, if at all. May you receive peace in your heart and be an awesome Mother to your child by exercising wisdom and implementing protection.
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Alia51 Jun 9, 2025
Wise words. Thank you for your advice and for hearing me. You are correct, I was deluding myself as well. I feel free now that I can let go of the hope. I appreciate your kind words.
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I agree, time to quit. You've spent enough time and energy on her issues.
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Alia51 Jun 8, 2025
Thank you. I literally sighed of relief seeing your response. I'm not going to feel guilty. I blocked her emails and calls this weekend and I feel a weight lifted.
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Call APS for a needs assessment on your mother, and then proceed to get on with your own life, would be my advice. If you need counseling to help you work out the powerpoints toward doing that, do avail yourself of the help.
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Alia51 Jun 8, 2025
Thank you. That's good advice.
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I’m sorry you never had the mother you deserved and needed. In your shoes, I’d report the gardener to his employer and mom to Adult Protective Services as an elder with possible dementia being exploited. Mostly, protect yourself and move forward in healing and peace
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Alia51 Jun 8, 2025
Thank you. That is very good advice. Hearing everyone's advice has really lifted my spirits.
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Ironically, a 30-something year old stockbroker "fell in love" with my ex MIL who was in her late 70s at the time, with a case of terminal self centeredness to where nobody else existed but her. He wined and dined her for well over a year, taking her to very expensive restaurants in Manhattan and buying her gifts. All with HER MONEY, as it turned out, since he was robbing her blind. All the while, he was embezzling over $1 million from the Smith Barney account he managed for her. After they got close, she told him she'd collect her mail in a brown grocery bag, pluck out only the bills, and throw the rest of it down the incinerator in her apartment building. That included her Smith Barney statements. She said she had a case of mail phobia. She was a ridiculous woman in every way, needless to say.

I wonder what the gardeners "see" in your mother, with bad teeth and what sounds to me like a case of dementia?
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BurntCaregiver Jun 11, 2025
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Oh my goodness about your MIL. What a ridiculous woman indeed. It really burns me sometimes when people like this have money while others like myself have to scratch and claw for every penny.

You know what these gardeners see in the OP's mother. They see the almighty dollar $ign. They pay attention to and flatter an old, lonely, narcissistic woman and are getting paid handsomely to do so.

The mother ought to forget about these gardeners and hire herself a good, honest gigolo. They give the set price up front.
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I have gotten those scammers come up on Facebook saying something like "I have been enjoying your posts and I would like to get to know you, friend me" There are usually words in there that are not used in the US so you know they are from overseas. I am 75 and wonder how women fall for these scams. I am told I look younger and my husband thinks I am cute but I really can't imagine an even 50 yr old being interested in me.

Your son does not need a grandparent to be happy. Especially your Mom because I don't think she can give love. I had none on Moms side and Dads side really didn't have much to do with us. Grandmother had her favorite grandson and Grandfather had his favorite grand- daughter. It never effected any of us. It was what it was.

Get rid of the guilt and obligation. You owe this woman nothing. Get angry, she allowed your Dad to abuse her children. You owe her nothing. Allow these men to take what they can. Call APS but make sure they know your a child of abuse and that you will not care for her or support her. This way its on record you called and did not abandon her. The most important person in your life is your son. He is #1.
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Good grief! What is wrong with some elderly? I guess old habits die hard.

Protect yourself. Since she placed her male companions first and let you be abused by her husband, by all means, feel free to leave her on read.

Even though parents have been horrible to us, we still care about their wellbeing even though they don't give two cents about their kids and the pain they are causing.

Self-centered people usually find out the hard way. It's a shame that your mother has gotten this old and is self deluding herself that she is still attractive.

Call APS and report financial abuse of an elderly person. Give them the details what you've given us here. I don't know if APS will do anything about this since your mother is still considered competent. This action should be taken when worst becomes the worst.
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Alia51 Jun 10, 2025
Thank you for your advice. After all the gaslighting I have endured, it's been truly validating to post here. It's given me a lot of strength. I've blocked her on social media, phone and email. I think I am ready to move on and never look back.
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Save yourself and your child from this toxic relationship. Do not feel guilty. Live your life and let her live with her bad choices. I'd even block her number on your phone so she doesn't chase you down to rescue her when things start to go very bad.
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Alia51 Jun 9, 2025
Thank you for the encouragement. I blocked her number on my phone and email a few days ago. The next day I did cave and check the spam folder and of course, 3 emails. First 2 full of narcissistic rage, the next trying for sympathy with manipulation. Of course no actual apology. I did not respond and I have not checked spam since. I've been lying to myself thinking she would change since letting her back in my life when my son was born, she is still the exact same. Looking back I see nothing has changed. She had all this time to repair the relationship and make amends but she really hasn't made any effort.. I've gotten nothing out of having her in my life but stress and the fake facade of having a mother. I wanted to be "normal" and not feel like the orphan as I did most of my life. But I'd rather have no mother than one like her. The relief of letting her go has already given me more energy and the most important thing in my life is being a good mom to my son.
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