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The fact that she has severe dementia is a qualifier for nursing home care. I agree with the others that you do NOT have to put up with the abuse. You inform you husband that he find someplace for his mom now or you are gone. He can take an emergency leave from his job to care for his mom until she is moved out of your home.
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I am so sorry that’s happening to you. I don’t know what kind of meds she’s on but have you tried respiridone. My mom has dementia as well it works great. There’s other methods that can be more calming. Check her diet. Possibly put some soft music in the room and some candles for calmness along with a lot of prayer.
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jacobsonbob Sep 2020
Mahogany, I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly wouldn't want any lit candles around someone who gets violent!!
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Could be drug interaction.
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She is a danger to herself and others. You possibly need to record her aggressive outbursts (get your husband on board) and she may need sectioning. It sounds extreme but so is the situation and you have identified the very serious risks. Good luck.
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I would keep my distance from her. Maybe explaining this to her Dr would help. He might either change her meds or increase the ones she is one.
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I’m sorry! This is abuse (to you) even if she doesn’t comprehend her actions.

Go back to work and let your husband take care of his mother. Be very kind to him about all this. You are fed up, but he (additionally) has great emotional pain.
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This is your husband's problem not yours. Make sure he understands that, today.
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Tonight you are to leave the house. Let your husband deal with his mother. You go on vacation. If not that, check into a hotel or go stay with your friends. Don't go back to the house until she is gone from it. Your very life is in danger. Husband can figure it out. This isn't for you to figure out. Let us know how it all works out.
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She slapped you, pulled your hair, scratched your face (maybe trying to gouge out your eyes) and caused you to get a broken toe?

You have more choices then the ones mentioned here, You can either open the door and let her out, or have your bags packed, a ride or your car ready, and leave both of them.

This situation has shown how much your husband cares about you.

Whatever you decide to do act, quickly, before she either uses a kitchen utensil or some other object she can get her hands on and seriously hurts you.
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If you can’t get mother n law out of the house, then YOU leave that house and let your husband take care of her!! It’s HIS mother, not yours!

Believe me when I say we have a BROKEN system!! Even if mother n law goes to psychiatric hospital, she won’t be there long!! They will send her home. YOU need to leave the house and get on with your life. I guarantee your mother n law WILL BE BACK!!
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Listen to what haileybug said. She is 100 percent absolutely right!!! If your mother in law is competent, there is nothing that the hospital can do. I went through this with my mother. I refused to pick her up at the hospital because she was failure to thrive at home by herself. I told the social worker but she won’t bathe, wash her hair, or change her clothes and she is an EXTREME hoarder.

They sent her home in a cab by herself!

You said your mother n law has extreme dementia. Only a judge can deem someone incompetent. Your mother n law would have to see 2 doctors then go in front of a judge.

They set the bar low. Can mother n law answer basic questions. Does she know her name, her kids names, who is the president? If she can answer these questions SHE IS NOT INCOMPETENT.

An elder lawyer also told me that just because someone suffers from mental illness does not mean they are incompetent. Just because someone makes bad choices, doesn’t mean they are incompetent.

We have a VERY BROKEN system!!! You would think in the year 2020 we would have made a lot of progress by now.
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In my opinion your husband should not have put this on you. I would refuse to take care of her. Difficult enough when it is your own family. How well did you get along with her before this horrible disease? She is a danger to herself and others. I would have your husband call the ambulance and have them take her to the ER for a mental health evaluation. It will be in the hands of the ER to find a bed in a psychiatric facility. Husband should be dealing with all this and not you. Please do not take care of this woman, she needs to be placed immediately.
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The mistake you made was picking her up from the hospital. Bring her back there ...call ambulance. Since her meds aren’t working there’s really nothing else you can do. You’re at risk for getting severely injured. Tell hospital Social Worker you are at risk for getting injured & also tell them you are just not physically or emotionally able to care for her!! My 93 yo mother also has dementia & hits, punches & curses. She’s on Seroquel. It was increased..she gets more sleepy. Her punches are less often & much weaker now like taps...Your MIL might have to go to psych hospital to get medication adjustment.

I am also appalled at your husband allows you to be abused every day!!! UNACCEPTABLE!!!

Don’t take her back home whatever you do!

Please listen to me. Hugs 🤗
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When my Dad became violent,, that was it! We were all up for 36 hours or more, and with his Drs help we were able to get into a nice MC within 2 days. The one we liked had an opening and the biggest delay was getting him a chest Xray. today it would probably be a COVID test. No one should be in fear for their life, and your hubs needs to respect this. If he can't, then I agree.. get out for a few days and let him take off work on an emergency leave and see how he makes out!
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I don't believe you should wait until she gets violent again, Harmony; what if she comes up behind you and hurts you? My mom cared for a woman who one day talked to herself in the mirror, saying she would sneak up behind mom and shove her out the window (she had Alzheimers). Mom hurried into the room she stayed in, called her company, and told them what happened and that she refused to leave the room until they sent someone to replace her. Believe it or not, someone came; she said she really needed the money.... Don't let this scenario or something like it happen to you! An ER dump, then refusal to pick up sounds good, or a call for an ambulance the minute she begins to escalate; then the trip to the ER, and no picking her up - tell them "unsafe discharge" (you're the one who is unsafe!).
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notgoodenough Sep 2020
I often see the advice here being "do an ER dump". In some cases, I think that's good advice.
Unfortunately, the only way I can ever see it working is if, among other aspects, ALL the potential caregivers of the person being "dumped" agree that the current situation is untenable, and everyone is of a united front.
But in this case, we don't know how the OP's husband feels about what's going on. If he doesn't see the situation as impossible, the hospital will just call HIM and he will agree that his mom can come home.
And, since the MIL is apparently mobile, if the hospital doesn't think she's mentally incompetent, she can check herself out of the hospital, request a cab and go home. The hospital will happily assist her in THAT.
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Yes it is unreal how an old lady can become The Hulk in 10 seconds flat. All sense goes out the window when someone is in rage mode. I am not joking in the least when I say one of you is likely to be killed or gravely injured.

The minute she got violent was the day she needed to be out of your house. I get the feeling your husband expects you to just bear with her? I understand he has to go to work, but if he were truly worried or concerned he'd make sure this never happens again. How can he work all day knowing you're going to be hurt? Does it not worry him?

Whatever meds/doses she is on are not working. She needs to go to a psychiatric facility to, at the very least, get her meds straightened out and as a means for permanent placement somewhere. She feels like a captive in your house so a facility won't be much different, right? Call 911 and get her Baker Acted. And flat refuse to take her back. You can't. It's putting both of your lives in danger.

This is a very common thing I see on here... husband's mom comes to live with them, but the wife gets saddled with the job. Husband gets to live his life pretty much as usual, going to work every day, maybe some help with Mom before bedtime. Usually Mom is happy and compliant with the son/husband and not so much with the wife. Wife gets angry, resentful and exhausted. Husband doesn't understand why it's so hard and wife gets labeled a heartless witch.
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My BIL lived with his 80 something mom before he was placed into a facility. They stayed with different ones here and there. He became very violent with everyone. When the law was called, they locked him up for 24 hours and then he was released. Each time the law was called, he only remained locked up for 24 hours.

We called APS - Did they do anything??? NO

My husband and I had him to "voluntary" commit himself into the pyschiatric part of the hospital for help. Did they keep him until he got the care he needed? NO He would get released the next day.

This went on a very long time. Of course the people they were staying with became desperate to get him placed …. I will stop right here and let you guess what they eventually had to do.

The system is so broken …. Sorry you are going through this.
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haileybug Sep 2020
Nothing could be done until he was deemed "incompetent" by the courts. It did not matter his "mental capacity" or about him being "dangerous to himself or others."

The hospital would let him "sign himself out".
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There is simply no excuse for being abused. Please don’t accept this for another minute. The next time it occurs call 911 and have her removed from your home and never allow her back. You do not have to pick her up and there are facilities for violent people, there are more and better meds to help her, but none of this can happen in your home. This isn’t your fault, no one would be equipped to do this level of care in a home setting. Your husband shouldn’t expect this of you or leave you alone with her. I hope you’ll come back and let us know you’ve changed this
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Call EMS and have the ambulance deliver her to the ER with the next outburst. Then refuse to take her home. Ask for a Social Worker. Tell her that due to fear of health and injury, your own ability to care for her anymore either mentally or physically, you will not be accepting her back in the home. Be adamant and do not discuss it when they try all of the malarky about how they will help you, you can make this work and they will get help. They can't and they won't; they just want you to go away.
The Social Worker will begin to find placement for her. She will be evaluated, and ultimately she will be MEDICATED into a more peaceful place. Not a happy thing, but a necessary thing in this instance. And as a nurse I do know the strength of the adrenaline rush.
So basically this is the ER Dump. You are entering a patient into care and refusing to take them back. Social Services will swing in. Covid-19 times is not a good time to place someone; I know you are aware of this, but it is very clear from what you tell us that there is no other option.
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Mysteryshopper Sep 2020
Alva is right. They just want to get rid of you. Hosp will say anything to get you to take MIL home and assume ALL responsibility for her. Hosp will suggest that in home "help" is available for you to continue caring for MIL yourself. However, they cannot and will not actually get this help for you. IF they do come through with some form of "help" it will not be what you truly need long term (or probably the short term either). And they may not even return your calls when you get MIL home and realize you're in the same boat as before. Where's the help that was coming? How a professional can do that to a desperate, worn out family is beyond me.
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What would you do if a 50 year old assaulted you? Call the police! Being 94 does not exempt anyone from the law. The will likely 5150 or Baker Act her. Good luck to you!
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Wow, She is tough to be 94.

She needs to be in a hospital with "good pyschiatric" doctors, otherwise, they are clueless.

People say you don't have to pick her up from the hospital (which is true) your MIL doesn't have to stay either. Unless she has been deemed incompetent, she is free to leave at her will. Hopefully, she won't leave the hospital walking or no one else goes pick her up.

You have rights too, you don't need to be abused.
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Tough love answer here:
If, hypothetically, you and your husband had children, and one of you were abusive to them, while the other stood by and did nothing, you would both be criminally complicit.

That your husband stands by and allows this abuse to happen to his wife is reprehensible! If the *only* way to ensure you, his wife, are not PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED in your own home is that his mother is placed in a facility that can handle this sort of behavior, then that is what he needs to do!

You are in an unsafe living environment. There is NO WAY to sugar-coat that fact. Dementia or no, no one has to stand by and put up with that s**t! Unless you have "Everlast" printed across your chest, you are no one's punching bag!

If your husband won't respond to words, maybe actions will move him.

Pack you bags and take a solo vacation for a few days. Let him deal with it.

You say he works 12 hours a day - is that possibly so he doesn't have to be home to deal with this situation?

It's disgraceful that he is putting you in this position! In some ways, it's almost worse than the abuse itself.

It's far past time to have a "come to Jesus" moment with your husband and la your cards on the table. "Honey, I love you and will support you in most anything, but I am not going to allow myself to be abused and injured by your mother any longer. Either you find a different place for her to live, or I will leave." Then do it. I would guarantee of the responsibility to take care of mom fell solely onto his shoulders, he will find her a facility faster than you can blink!

Do you have any family you can stay with in the short term?
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disgustedtoo Sep 2020
I would also have my bags packed and ready to leave BEFORE he leaves for work. Heart to heart talk first, to see where he stands, but if he stands aloof, then out the door, leaving him with her for X days, however long it takes for him to realize the towel has to be thrown and get her into a psych ward. The medications don't work. No regular facility will take her.

There is no way he should allow any of this to happen to you no matter who is involved. As for telling medical staff she can't come back because she is a danger to herself??? NOPE, she is a danger to YOU OP!

My OB was abusive to me when we were kids. As we grew older, spent time with our own friends, moved on to college, jobs, away, it seemed he got past this. While here to help clean out mom's condo this behavior reared it's ugly head again (I missed the early warning signs during his previous trips here to help a bit.) No dementia, but clearly outweighs me. He threw me to the ground twice, bruising my leg and ankle. I told him to get the F out, and he ranted, yelled, swearing at me, spewed all manner of abusive language, called me all kinds of names, etc. Two days later, he's outside my house with crap from mom's place that I don't even want! He arrived as I was returning from medical appt with mom, so I went to a neighbor's house. Hour later, he's still here, so I called the PD. All I wanted was an escort and someone to tell him not to come back. I had to make a statement, and the officer wanted me to have charges done. Nope, just want him gone! He was gone before we got there, and officer wanted to call him. I said no, he will be leaving for home at the end of the week - 2 days drive away, and not likely he will be back. He returned the next 2 days with more crap. I wouldn't open the door or respond to text msgs.

Anyway, this is a disturbed person, has been all along, but no dementia and not living with me. I will NOT allow him back into my life ever. I haven't had contact in over 2 years, but felt obligated to let him know OUR mother had a TIA - doing okay since, but could have more or a stroke. No resp until the next day, then just "Thanks for update." Like he cares.

You NEED this woman out of the house OR YOU need to leave the house. When he's home, perhaps she behaves like a sweet angel, but he had to have seen your injuries - does he think these are self inflicted??? Leave him with her, let him experience the wonders of psycho-mom. I doubt the sweet angel will remain a sweet thing once he has to cope with this all day every day.

I think we could all make a safe bet that if you do this, she will magically find a place to live that isn't in your home!
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Just because the hospital tells you that you need to pick her up doesn't mean you have to.

Say "No, we can't possibly have her here; she is a danger to herself an others. She needs in-patient psychiatric care".
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You write that she's become violent recently. What is "recently"?

In your profile, you say you are easygoing. You have to drop that and become forceful in stating you cannot and will not tolerate this physical abuse any longer.

What DOES your H say about this? How does he handle her violence? Will he accept refusing to take her home again?

How did she come to be living with you, and how long has she lived with you?
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Yup, gotta call 911 or an ambulance next time she's violent, and then refuse to get her, saying she's a danger to you. Does your husband support you or side with his mother?

I swear, it seems over half the issues on this forum could be solved if sons would just grow up and stop being Mommy's Boys.
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Isthisrealyreal Sep 2020
And the other half if women put on their big girl panties and started acting like the adults they are instead of 10 year olds that have no choice.
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I really feel for you in this very bad situation. So what does your husband say about your injuries? Does she attack him as well?? I sure hope you are documenting these outbursts and also taking pics of your injuries. You may need to call 911 when she gets violent, what are you going to do if she tries to choke you or something like that? Call 911 and at least file the police reports, because this is domestic violence, dementia or not....sounds like she needs to be placed in a psychiatric facility until they can get her meds adjusted correctly for her...please take care of yourself. And the research shows that 35% of people die before the person they are caring for. Please dont become a statistic. You cant continue on like this....why is your husband not getting her placed in a psych unit to get meds evaluated? If she goes to hospital tell them she is an unsafe discharge, you can no longer care for her in home. Talk to a social worker or your council on aging to get advice. Call and have her dr speak with you and make sure you tell him what you have told us!
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You call 911 and REFUSE to pick her up. This woman needs to be admitted for a psychiatric evaluation so the docs can work with her and her med regime to try to find a combo of meds that will work for her. Or Call the police to have her taken in.

You need to stand FIRM in you conviction to not bring her home. The hospital will try to guilt and manipulate you to bring her home. You tell them she needs more care than you can provide and she is a danger to herself and others.
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Tothill Sep 2020
Glad as nailed it. You do not bring her home. She is a danger to you and it is not safe for her to be in your home.
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