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Hi, thanks in advance for any perspective this group can offer.


I’m an early 40’s single male and live about 90 minutes from my mom. 10 months ago, my father passed away unexpectedly at 75. My mom and him had been together since grade school and did literally everything together, with my mom being responsible for very little.


I’m an only child and was very close with my dad but tended to clash with my mom. In retrospect, I can see that lot of the issue was resentment of her neediness to both him and me. Now that dad is no longer around, I’ve been trying to support my mom the best I can.


I’m struggling with the strong feeling of resentment for all I’ve been saddled with. I know this is immature, but the feelings are hard to fight none the less.


My mom is healthy but just never learned how to do anything. She has never put gas in a car or driven on the highway. She is unable to use the internet beyond email, so I handle all her finances, including managing several rental properties. I meet with her insurance agents, arrange contractors to work on her house, if it’s something I can’t do myself. She was so used to my dad doing everything, she can’t figure out the most basic things and relies on me to do it all, throwing up her hands in frustration and despair.


That work isn’t too big of a deal, but the emotional dependence is what really gets me down. I call her once or twice a day and I’m still listening to her cry about half the time, which is expected, given the loss but it’s just exhausting. She seems incapable of not just constantly telling me how much she misses my dad and how alone she feels. I’ve tapered down from spending 2-3 nights a week up there to once a week overnight visits but still feel like I’m neglecting her.



She constantly complains about not wanting to see her friends because they just remind her of my dad and they ‘don’t understand’, despite being very caring, good friends. She doesn’t like the neighbors who are also widowed.


Taking one weekend off is big deal and I usually get several calls with her crying saying it ‘would be nice if I would come up because she isn’t doing well and I’m her only family.


I want to help her as much as I can but there seems to be a dynamic where every minute, I spend living my own life is one spent hurting or neglecting her. I’ve basically resigned myself to never moving. I can’t take a job out of state or move for any reason, it would crush her. I even talked a little about taking few month-long RV trip some day and her reply was, “you better have room for me and the dogs”.


Personally, I would never, never, never want to stand in between my child and their dreams or desired life. If my kid wanted to move away or God forbid, take an extended vacation for whatever reason, I’d do my darndest to make sure they didn’t turn down any dreams or opportunities because of me.


Given I’m up there overnight one night every week, it’s difficult to juggle a career and social life. Every 6 days or so that I’m gone she starts to fall apart and then I need to pack and head up there to listen to her cry, and I come back just drained. One night a week doesn’t seem like that much but it’s basically my whole weekend or I take time off work, which is takes away from my career. When I get married, should my wife tolerate me being gone every weekend for no reason other than my mother is emotionally dependent? At some point she is going to really need help. It seems like my whole life will center around her needing me.


She wants to know everything about my relationships and just seems like she’s trying to make me into my dad and frankly, I just don’t want to be that close.


Is it unreasonable to want my mother to be able to function emotionally without me being there every weekend and spending an hour a day on the phone?



Or am I just being immature and need to man up?

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You are not immature, nor should you be moms surrogate husband. I had a mother exactly like yours, who turned helpless neediness into an art form. Dad did everything for her and she was The Queen. I was an only child saddled with managing her life FOR her bc she was way too helpless to function. Never wrote a check or even drove, nevermind pumped gas! Into Assisted Living they both went so after dad passed, mom was cared for by others. After AL, she segued into Memory Care for 3 years and died at 95.

Mom was ok in AL where she had an audience to play to and others to care for her. She had to be entertained constantly so that was covered too. After dad died, the other women scooped her up and drew her back into the fold and she was fine.

Tell mom you cannot keep up this pace with her, period. It's time for her to sell the house and move into AL and you'll help her do so. She'll have autonomy and you'll get your life back, as it should be. Otherwise, she won't allow you to have a life as her needs continue to increase and usurp your every spare moment. Nip the nonsense in the bud, as I did, when the ridiculous comments are made about "you better have room for me and the dogs”. Sorry ma, I love you but we both need INDEPENDENT LIVES.

Set the record straight now, and give her a box of tissues when she cries, not your LIFE on a silver platter.
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Your mother is in desperate need of a psychiatric evaluation.

This is NOT normal behavior. She may be deeply depressed, have Dependent Personality Disorder or something else going on, but this can't continue.

Has she had a complete physical lately? Are you in touch with her regular doctor?
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Your father enabled making your mother helpless. While that may have been well meaning it was cruel. I am 81. I need to function. Had someone made me helpless what would I do?

You need now to have a good long sitdown with your mother. You need to tell her just exactly what I said above. Put nicely:
"You know Mom, Dad loved you to pieces and his generation saw it as a sign of love to "take care of the little woman". But it made you helpless and afraid and full of anxiety. Love him to pieces, but he is gone, and I will not be taking his place. I am not your spouse, but am your son. I will help you find ALF if you need one where they will care for, take care of transportation, provide food and activities, but I won't BE those things for you. I have a life of my own. You won't be coming on my vacations; you won't be living with me."

Let your Mom know you will teach her how to gas up the car and how to balance a checkbook, and let her know she is young enough to learn. If she simple cannot, you will know it, and THAT IS THE TIME for ALF.

You are going to have to set the limits now. If you become your Dad, well, all I can say is good luck to you all, because you see the results of that.

I am so sorry for your loss, and for your Mom's loss, but loss is a part of life, and to put our own grief on to our own children is selfish, quite honestly. It must be stopped for the good of yourself and of your mother. Tell her that you and she need to celebrate the love and joy of memories, and figure out together a way for her to go on without being a burden to you that will ruin your relationship.

If this long talk with FULL HONESTY doesn't work, then you are going to have to withdraw ALL ON YOUR OWN. If that occurs, get psychological counseling for yourself. You will be punished royally for saving yourself--there will be rage and tears and manipulation. Unless you wish to throw yourself on your father's funeral pyre I would avoid that at ALL COSTS, even to the risk of losing my mom completely.

I feel very bad for your Mom by the way. She has allowed herself to become helpless and your father had his own part in that. It's a cruel world. I at 81 can still remember my own mother saying, gently "I will raise you to be independent for it is what the world will require of you". And the WORLD has definitely required it.

Good luck. Hope you'll update us. Expect tears. Expect rage. Expect a struggle.
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NYDaughterInLaw Oct 20, 2023
Quicksilver, memorize this: "You know Mom, Dad loved you to pieces and his generation saw it as a sign of love to "take care of the little woman". But it made you helpless and afraid and full of anxiety. Love him to pieces, but he is gone, and I will not be taking his place. I am not your spouse, but am your son. I will help you find ALF if you need one where they will care for, take care of transportation, provide food and activities, but I won't BE those things for you. I have a life of my own. You won't be coming on my vacations; you won't be living with me."
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You ARE NOT the one being immature and it's mom who needs to woman up.
While I am sorry for the loss of your dad, life does go on and your mom is going to have to learn sooner than later how to grow up and be responsible for her new life now.
You MUST continue to set strong boundaries and put her in her place when needed.
It sounds like she is wanting you to replace her beloved husband of many years and that is just not fair to you as you have your own life to live and enjoy.
If mom can't handle her rental properties then it's time to sell them. And if she can't handle things around her home then it's time to sell that as well and have her move into either an independent living facility or assisted living facility whichever is applicable.
There is no good reason that you have to call her daily, visit weekly, spend the night, or answer her calls.
As long as you continue to enable her behavior, she will continue to let you.
So it's time to put your big boy panties on and have a heart to heart with your mom and let her know how things will be going from here on out.
So get that RV trip planned(and NOT with mom)and next time a job opportunity from out of the city or state comes your way, be the first one to apply.
You deserve it!
It's time for mom to get on with living her life by herself and learn that she really is capable of so much more.
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My advice is to teach her how to be self reliant. Go with her and show her how to get gas - don't just demonstrate, make her do it. If you go anywhere together let her be the driver.

Set up auto pay on her bills. If she can't handle being a landlord she can either hire a management company or sell the properties, it doesn't have to be your responsibility.

And start to gradually add some distance between those phone calls and visits, there's nothing she needs to talk about every day or that you need to take care of personally on a weekly basis. Sometimes we resist the things that would be the solution to many problems because we are afraid of change, that's where she needs your support and encouragement - if she's so lonely she may do better in a seniors apartment or housing complex.
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Your mother wants to be told what to do. She has no local support because she doesn’t want it. The suggestions to talk to her about being more independent are not likely to work. It sounds as if the best option for your mother is to move into AL, where she won’t have to make any decisions. She will have transport, so she doesn’t need the car.

My suggestion is that you simply tell her that’s what is going to happen. Be firm. Organise it, then get on with your own life. It’s a workable way forward for her, and a workable way out for you.

It's just possible that it will be a wake-up call for her, and she will take control of her own life. But I doubt it.
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NYDaughterInLaw Oct 20, 2023
Very important point about his mother wanting (needing) to be told what to do. She knows no other way of being.
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I agree about Mom being evaluated. She maybe autistic. There are different levels. Dad may have seen this in Mom and thats why he did everything. She may suffer from extreme anxiety. You can not be her everything for the rest of her life.

Your Dad did you no favors. My Mom did everything, Dad just handed over his check and took his spending money out. She did all the budgeting a bill paying. I am sure I would have needed to do everything. And you know what, he would have been placed in an AL and probably would have loved it. The house would have been sold for his care. All I would have needed to worry about was a check to the AL and a few Dr bills.
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Beatty Oct 21, 2023
Yes is a good point. Autism in females has hardly ever been diagnosed going back & still hard to diagnose now.

I actually suspect the 2 super-anxious females I know may be on the spectrum.
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One night a week is A LOT. There is no need for it. Since the house is way too much for her to handle, it's time to sell and have mom move into independent living or maybe even assisted living.

Cut back on the very long phone calls as well. She needs a therapist to cry on her shoulder instead of yours. It's been 10 months and it's time for her to put her big girl panties on. Everyone grieves differently but she is using this as a crutch to reel you in and control you. Don't allow it.

Hire people to do the chores you are having to do. You need your own life and that's how you "man up", by doing what's best for you instead of going to her so often.
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Agree here that there is some mental illness, especially the drama in front of you at 10 months after death. She might be playing you. You could try to lighten her burden by getting her to agree to look at independent living apartments where she can socialize. If you find a place in her area, she might find acquaintances who she knows
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10 months is one heck of a long time to still be experiencing the beginning stages of grief. I'm sorry for your loss, but obviously dad didn't think he'd ever die before her, did he? Leaving a 100% dependent wife for his son to take care of was most assuredly not in his plan.

First, have her evaluated for depression. That's going to be kind of a no-brainer, if she acts like this is front of a dr.

A mild anti-depressant may help lift her moods enough that she can begin to see the big picture and start to heal.

Moving her to an ALF might be a great idea. She's young enough to still make friends and sounds like she NEEDS a cadre of them! You cannot be her 'all'.

She's being very picky about whom she will and won't interract with. Why not other widows? I have a group of friends and we all joke that we'll all wind up in the same ALF and it will be like HS all over again.

Maybe my generation is a little tougher? IDK.

My mom mourned my dad, and then pushed her way out of her mourning and into service projects, the Sr Center, joing a pool exercise group--she had something to 'do' everyday.

And she balanced her checkbook every month to the penny. Even at the end when she was 'foggy'.

Looking back, I am so proud of her for letting her grief not overwhelm her, and for not dumping that on us kids. To an extent, sure, but she had a LOT going on in her life, until the last couple years. I didn't appreciate how much she DID do, until I see my MIL playing the 'pretty princess' who can't dial a phone, change the TV channel or deal with any household repairs without falling to pieces. She had a mouse in her house a couple weeks ago and DH had to get up out of bed to go to her house to set a trap. He did NOT stay until said rodent was caught and she was crying and furious with him.

He came home and said "How many mouse traps have YOU dealt with in our married life?" (Probably 100, or more (we lived in the country).

Your mom can get better and you can help her, but ultimately, she needs to do the work.

Oh--and cut the phone calls down to a reasonable amount! Twice a day is too much!

Good Luck to you.
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