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Mom is 82 and has vascular dementia. During the past three weeks she is barely eating enough to feed a bird. I brought her some soup and chicken tenders yesterday and she did eat some but only about 25%. Her blood work and labs were excellent its just she keeps getting dehydrated since she's not eating and drinking enough. Any advice? Is this a good option for mom?

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I have to ask you...What scared you about Hospice?
Hospice is intended to provide comfort care for someone that has a terminal illness.
Someone that has a life expectancy of 6 months or fewer. BUT it does not mean that a person will die within 6 month. A person can remain on Hospice as long as there is a decline. Guidelines are set by Medicare and a person is evaluated periodically.
With Hospice there will be no more trips to the ER. There will be no more invasive testing or diagnostic testing. (If testing needs to be done or if hospitalization is necessary it can be approved by Hospice.
Hospice will not "kill" a patient by over dosing with morphine or other medications. A person dies while on Hospice because they were dying anyway and they would have died with or without Hospice.
Hospice will try to keep a patient comfortable.
Hospice will have a Nurse check on your mom at least 1 time a week.
Hospice will have a CNA give mom a bath, shower or a bed bath at least 2 times a week. (the facility will no longer give a bath, shower or bed bath)
Hospice will order all the medical and personal supplies that are needed.
If you wish a Volunteer from Hospice can come visit mom each week.
And as mom reaches end of life Hospice can have a Volunteer there when you are not so that mom will not die alone.
As you can tell I am very much a proponent of Hospice.
I could not have cared for my Husband the way I did if it were not for Hospice and the amazing Team I had.

Now about mom not eating a lot or drinking.
This is part of her body shutting down.
She will not feel hunger or thirst like you or I do.
To give her fluids or food can cause her pain and create problems. As much as you might think a feeding tube or IV's will help they will not so I urge you to resist that thought if it enters your mind.

Talk to the person from Hospice.
Listen with an open heart and mind.
((hugs)) This is difficult no matter what you decide.
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CaringinVA Dec 2024
Yes to all of this, @Grandma. My MIL has been with us on hospice for over a year now, and they have been such a help and a blessing, for all the reasons you listed above.
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My husband has Parkinson's and is cared for at home by me. He is bed bound and had quite a lot of pain when we turned or repositioned him. When Hospice came in, it was the best thing we could ask for. He has a Hospice nurse coming in once a week, and has a Hospice aid coming in the afternoon to do bath and diaper change. My husband tolerates me doing diaper change during day, but in later afternoon he will refuse it from me but let's the Hospice aid do it along with bath.
We have stayed on top of skin issues (yeast infections & irritation from sensitivity to urine), severe cough with mucous, and even had use of the on call nurse.
I've had prescriptions sent to the pharmacy in evening by the Hospice doctor, so I could start the medicine that night.
They are a blessing. So much care that goes above what a primary care doc does during typical clinic hours.
Please accept the service.
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TouchMatters Dec 2024
thank you for sharing your experience.
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If the word ‘hospice’ scares you to death, don’t use it. Call it ‘comfort care’, in your own head and when you are talking to M and to the staff. Where I am, we call it ‘palliative care’, not ‘hospice’. That’s another option.

If the word ‘death’ scares you, perhaps you should talk to a counselor or a church member. Try to accept that ‘death’ is coming, and move your thoughts to what your own life will be like afterwards. This stage will NOT last forever. Best wishes to you and to M, at this difficult time. Yours Margaret
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AlvaDeer Dec 2024
Wonderful answer.
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Hospice is end of life care.
Hospice means that your mom is dying and that her medical team recognizes that and wishes to make that dying more comfortable for her.
You are asking us if dying is a good option for your mother?

That is something you will not discuss with your mother's doctors and with Hospice.
Dying isn't an option. It is an inevitability. And it seems that your mother's doctors are recognizing that she is now dying.

You do not mention who the POA or Guardian or "decision maker as next of kin" is for your mother. With her dementia she isn't capable of making this decision. But it is not the JOB or the doctor or the nursing home to make this decision, nor of Hospice itself. It is up to your mother if capable, and if not to the POA, the guardian or the next of kin, who it is assumed would know what care your mother wishes to have for her last days on earth.

Do know that Hospice gives medications for comfort, for prevention of anxiety or agitation, and that these medications often CAN and often DO speed death by some moments, hours, days, even weeks. Do you honestly at this point see a point in the suffering your mother is enduring daily?

I wish you the best. I am so sorry. But it is very clear that you know that putting Hospice in place means that it is recognized that your mother is dying and is expected to die within the next six months. That is the law. And again, dying isn't an option. It is a fact. An inevitability. Whether it is speeded by some few days or weeks isn't really the point when there is suffering.
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A Hospice evaluation is done when an elder stops eating and drinking enough, and has a terminal illness where end of life appears to be approaching. Such is the case with your mother. Hospice does not kill people, their disease does. They will keep your mom comfortable as she takes her final journey, that's all. My mother died of vascular dementia and CHF in Feb of 2022 and hospice was wonderful. The RN ran everything by me to get my approval first, so I knew what was happening (mom lived in Memory Care Assisted Living). Her passing was a few months later, with no pain or agitation, thank God, and it was as smooth as possible.
Ssame with my dad in 2015.

There are folks who are hospice for 2 years. Some graduate off of hospice care if they improve.

So don't be deathly afraid of the services they provide. Make sure to ask questions up front and know that mom will no longer be dragged to the hospital to be poked and prodded while on hospice. My folks were very relieved to get off of THAT rollercoaster and just be left in peace.

Best of luck with a difficult situation.
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My dad was referred for hospice care last January. He also had dementia among other things and also was barely eating at all. I was very relieved by the hospice option and grateful to them and have zero regrets. They were all decent, helpful, caring people.

Best Wishes to you in getting through the coming days, weeks, and months. It is sad and difficult to go through a beloved parent’s decline no matter how much help and support there is.
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I just buried my father 2 weeks ago and have been on this journey of vascular dementia and Alzheimer's with for many years with him and have dealt with palliative at multiple times in his life and end of life care team that has left us with some thoughts.
I think it is really important to understand what your palliative team's expectations and goals are during your mom's time in the program and importantly if they match your mothers wishes. If palliative for example wouldn't be willing to treat with antibiotics for something like a uti or chest cold that may come up and she dies from this as a result is this what your mom would have wanted or leave you feeling like she was denied basic care. No judgement either way, it really is about advocating for what your mom would have wanted.

Also ask them what their plan is for end of life care and what meds they use during this time and understand how those meds affect your mom's consciousness and speed of passing. I think it is important to understand what they would do so your on the same page and not surprised by anything.

In the intern, have you tried ensure, or boost drinks? Sometimes with vascular dementia we were told the taste of food can change and you have to explore foods that they usually don't like. having something that tastes a bit sweet or like a milkshake may go over well.

I wish you and your family peace during this very difficult time, I know it isn't easy but know that your mom will be so grateful for all you have done and do for her during these days.
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You have 2 options:
To sustain life or ensure a longer life, have a doctor surgically place a tube into her stomach for fluids and nutrition.
To focus on quality of life and not worry about "how much" life she has left, allow hospice care. Hospice staff work to help the client be as comfortable and engaged with family and friends as possible. They DO NOT shorten a person's lifespan. They can order and give medications for pain/discomfort. They will not force clients to eat or drink if they do not wish to. They will maintain hygiene, toileting, turning... to keep the person comfortable.

I would recommend that you talk with hospice care to find out what services they would provide your mother. They are known for being a very kind and caring group of people. You can then decide on whether or not you wish to use their services.
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A facility cannot force someone to eat or drink. With vascular dementia she may not keep an IV in, either. If they are recommending hospice for your Mom, they are the best at knowing the timing of such a transition. We recently chose to transition my MIL to hospice (bedbound in facility LTC with mod dementia/memory impairment) on the advice of her team. She had no real medical diagnosis of any specific health issue. At 89 she then lost 10 lbs in 2 months and was just becoming weaker. In hospice she'd receive more personal attention (not medical attention, but visitations by people and therapy pets, and pain management). They were not going to make her eat or drink, however. IMO hospice is a good pathway for your Mom. But there's a reason they are recommending it and it's probably because they feel she will not be here much longer. Such was the case with my MIL, and we are so grateful for the recommendation and the option. May you receive peace in your heart.
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For people with dementia, which is a terminal diagnosis is a very good choice as it helps so much with their comfort level. Hospice does not bring the end nearer it just helps them with a pain free end. I am an End of Life Doula (EOLD) and I can assure you that is a very good choice.
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swmckeown76 Dec 2024
Doesn't this depend on the person's stage of dementia and her/his desires WRT to type and level of care desired? Just because someone has a form of dementia doesn't mean she or he is ready to die. Some people with dementia want everything possible done to keep them alive, some do not, and some are somewhere in between. My late husband had frontotemporal degeneration and wanted to live as long as possible. I had to fight for his life once, as he wasn't keeping on weight while hospitalized for COVID-19. He needed to be hand-fed and COVID weakened him to the point that while he could still walk before that hospital stay, he needed a walker and then a wheelchair. But the hospital social worker was pressuring me to place him on hospice care. Instead, I contacted his neurologist (also the medical director of his long-term care center) and with a faculty appointment at the academic medical center where hubby was hospitalized. He determined the reason my husband wasn't putting on weight was due to a thyroid deficiency. He prescribed generic Synthroid for my husband and he began eating again. He left the hospital and went on to live for another 13.5 months. (He was private-pay the entire time, so this didn't cost Medicaid one dime.). About a year after that hospital stay he was hospitalized again and I reluctantly consented to his starting hospice care. I'll never be sure if that was the right decision or not, but after discussing it with our priest, he said I probably made the right decision.
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