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My mother is 81 and lives in an independent living senior apartment . However she is incontinent and wets her bed every night. She has pills to take and now a Pur wic catheter to use at night. Both will help her tremendously IF she will take her pills and use the catheter. She has a caretaker two days per week because that’s all we can afford. Living with us is out of the question because of her demanding and sneaky and lying nature. I’ve tried leaving notes where her pills are, gently reminding her, explaining to her multiple times and the only thing I can think is she doesn’t want to or she wants the attention. She has said she “likes to be babied” so it’s not a stretch to think she would “forget” her pills. HELP! We live in MS Thank you

There is actually a pill to eliminate incontinence? OP, please share the name of this wonder drug. As far as Pure wik and pill reminders, it soulds like she is too far along for IL and self care. If you want to keep her in place, then look for an agency that provides flex care.
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Forget the pills. You need to get her into adult briefs with tabs so they can be changed while she is still laying down in bed, along with bed pads that are plastic on the back and absorbent on the front and are reusable. They do make disposable but they aren't as absorbent in my opinion. They can both be used together if necessary, as sometimes you might want something under her for a short time if there is a bigger mess and she needs to roll back and forth to help you change her. Under everything there need to be a mattress cover in plastic, then you put a washable pad atop that and then add the sheets, and put a washable pad or two on top of the sheets. Along with a brief at night this will keep the mattress from getting soaking wet and make it easy to change her when you get her up in the am. No one is happy about this but it will prevent a lot of problems down the road. A pill won't do much in this situation although there is a chance it will worsen her mental decline and contribute to a UTI because it retains the urine in her bladder.
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There are actually several different solutions for this issue. You just need to decide what works best for you (or mom).

1) You don't really have to do anything. Let her live like this. Let her wet her bed every night. If she is needy for attention and demanding, you probably have very little control over the situation anyway. She is an adult. Let her make her own choices and resolve her own problems.

2) IF mom has dementia, or is unable to make competent decisions about her own care, then you must act.

3) Get a waterproof mattress cover and incontinence pads, washable or disposable. You don't want a mattress to get soaked.

4) Don't count on these bladder pills to keep her from being incontinent. I doubt they help much. If she is incontinent, use incontinence products. If she is having difficulty with the Pur wick, then try adult diapers.

5) She wants to be babied and wants your attention, just like a child learns their bad behavior will get your attention. You need to stop responding to this issue and trying to "fix" it for her (which is not fixing anything anyway)

6) Did you say the caregiver two days a week is all YOU can afford? Are you paying out of pocket for your mother's care? You use mom's money to pay for the care she needs. If the expense exceeds what she can afford, then she applies for Medicaid. Maybe she could get a home caregiver 7 days a week if she needs it. For one hour or so before bedtime, and again first thing in the morning.

7) I think independent living is no longer appropriate for your mother. It is probably time to look at assisted living, or in-home care (paid by medicaid), or a skilled nursing facility.
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Just physically help your mother, she might like to be babied, but she literally needs your help to put on the pull ups or attach the catheter to her at night. She’s 81 and needs that care from a loved one. It doesn’t matter if she likes being babied, what she is really saying is she likes being showed that she is loved.
physically help her you will be glad that you did.
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jjshphrd: Pose your question to her urologist.
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What exactly happens when she is waking up with this problem every morning? Are you going over there to change her sheets and do her laundry? Or is someone else doing it?
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Most bladder prescription meds are anticholinergic meds which are linked to faster memory decline.

Short of hiring a caregiver for 3 hours a day and have their key role of reminding Mom to take her meds I don't know that there is much you can do.
We found we could get someone with a 3 hour minimum.

Also, we found getting the meds in the med strip rolls that have dates and times to be very helpful. Then you can tell at a glance if she is taking them.
Here is an example. Scroll down on the website. Medication Packaging - Stedman Drug - Your Local Stedman Pharmacy
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Has she ever had a cognitive/memory test? If not, I thinks it's time. Medicare allows 1 free annual wellness check and they always ask if you want to have that test. You should make the appointment for her (tell her a therapeutic fib, that it is "required" by her PCP or Medicaid), then be in the appointment with her (to "take notes"). At this appointment also have her fill in your name on the Medical Representative HIPAA form so that you can get info from her doctor without your Mom needing to give any further consent. You may be very shocked at the memory test results.

"...the only thing I can think..." is that she may have the beginnings of cognitive decline. Confirming this will require a full physical since some of those symptoms also are part of other health issues that are treatable (like a UTI, dehydration, vitamin deficiency, COPD, heart problems, etc).

Hopefully you Mom has a PoA. If so, this is the person that needs to start managing getting her medical attention and planning her future care. The PoA needs to read the document to see if it is "durable" (in effect immediately) or "springing" (needs an official medical diagnosis of impairment).

Your Mom seems to now need a higher level of care but she won't be the one to initiate this -- especially if she has cognitive decline, she isn't able to do it, she can't even if she wanted to. This may explain the behavior and choices you are seeing. You still think she's the Mom from 5 years ago. She's probably not. Best to start with a medical exam.

If she doesn't have a PoA then this should happen before a diagnosis. Talk to a certified elder law attorney for guidance. The legal bar for "capacity" is low.
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Mom might benefit from a visit to a pelvic floor specialist, which is a certain kind of urologist/gynecologist MD who has training beyond basic urology. There are tests to determine if, for instance, she might have a diverticulum (hole) in her urethra or a chronically inflamed bladder, which could be interstitial cystitis (IC). There are treatments and procedures that can help these issues, but would mom be able to tolerate them? Ask the doctor.

In the meantime, eliminate certain foods that are known to irritate the bladder. Look up the IC diet, which will tell you what foods are most likely to irritate a chronically inflamed bladder or other bladders, for that matter. Caffeine (tea, coffee including decaf, colas), acidy fruits and vegetables (tomatoes, citrus, strawberries, etc.) should not be given. And there's much to read up on, so take a look.

As for her taking her pills and using equipment, that isn't likely. She needs 24/7 care so someone will be there around the clock to help her. It is fairly specialized help she needs, so don't worry about having to take care of her yourself. Aides in a facility are what's needed now.

Good luck, and I'm sorry for mom's problems. Unfortunately, they wont be going away, only getting worse.
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Maybe mom needs Assisted Living not Independent Living situation.
If this is the only problem help from a staff person would be what she needs.
If the place she is living does not have Assisted Living it might be time to either look for an AL that would suit her OR hire a caregiver that will come in for a few hours each day and help out with a few of the things she needs done.
Keep in mind Mom pays for said caregiver NOT you.

Are there other indications that mom may have some type of dementia? If so it might be time to think about moving her anyway.

Placing an absorbent pad on the bed, having a waterproof mattress cover and using absorbent underwear (pull up type briefs or the washable absorbent underwear) will help protect the bedding to some degree if you can not get her to use the Pure Wick and take her meds.
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"Living with us is out of the question because of her demanding and sneaky and lying nature". Not sure if this is the start of dementia in your Mom or that she is damanding more attention. But it seems that Independent senior living in her own apt with a very occasional caretaker is at an end. You will probably need to step her up to assisted living or get a full-time live-in caretaker. Neither is inexpensive. Do you live in another State than where she lives? If so, you're going to have to come to some tough decisions if you want your Mom cared for properly. That's either move in with you, move her closer to you, move her to assisted living, or leave her be in her own apartment and wait for "the call".

You said "She has said she “likes to be babied” so it’s not a stretch to think she would “forget” her pills". If that is true, that's a manipulation technique seniors may use to get you to pay more attention to them. Do you have siblings to discuss this with and/or ask for assistance from them? It seems a 2-day a week caretaker is no longer working.

Most bladder control meds do not do too much but cognitive issues can result from taking them long term. She may need to wear thick Poise-type pads at night and sleep with chucks underneath her. My Mom needed all these things in her 80's and it did help to keep her and the bed dry. Of course, she was very aware of her bladder problem and she actively wanted to control it.
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I hate to tell you but most if not all bladder medications DO NOT work. My late husband literally tried every one ever made and had no luck with any of them. It was that point that his urologist recommended a supra pubic catheter which we then had placed in him.
I can only guess that she has no clue how to use the Pure wick without help so it may be time to have her placed in the appropriate facility. And if money is an issue you can apply for Medicaid for your mom.
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As said, time for an Assisted Living for Mom.
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Your mother isn't now capable, apparently, of remembering her pills and of using a urinary incontinence system. Her level of care must include now incontinence care. She may be required now to move to a facility that can accommodate her care needs. That I know of there is no pill that will prevent incontinence over time. There are some that can help with irritable bladder in certain conditions. Your mother isn't capable of being in charge of her medications now. Again, this is a level of care issue.
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