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Well.

Good man, bad man, it's no pretence to look on him as a very sick man. And that entitles him to compassionate care.

But it does NOT entitle him to cross your boundaries.

Will you update the eldest son? That was certainly a sad communication from him that you saw, but it can hardly have been unprovoked, one suspects. It would be a courtesy to let the children have a situation report, doesn't have to be any more than that.
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Hi Nancy my name is Stacey. My mom 89 is living with me now she has been on hospice for almost 2 years. For the most part she follows the recommendations of hospice, but if there is something she doesn’t want to do she just plain won’t do it. I lost my job because I would have to miss work if she fell down or was disoriented so now like you I am here everyday 7 days a week, 24 hours a day. I love my mom so much and I would do anything for her, she is very tiny 70lbs, she is usually sharp in the morning but declines as the day goes on. My mom doesn’t like it if I want to go out back and do yard work so my life is mostly lived within my home, it 5:30am and I haven’t been to sleep because if I want to do something like sew, clean house, color my hair or anything that requires any level of concentration I have to wait until she is asleep because the constant interruptions make everything so difficult. I’m telling you this so you will know there is someone out in the world who understands what you are saying, no judgement, we are only human and nothing in life prepares you for this.
There are positives to this struggle, my husband died suddenly almost 4 years ago, he died while I was at work, he had a seizure fell face first into the couch and suffocated. His behaviors led to his death but I didn’t expect it at all and I was not ready. I am not trying to minimize your experience I know what you are going through is hell on earth and you are doing it all alone. Reaching out even in forum is a step in the right direction, share your feelings no matter what they are and as far as your husband refusing medication that is his right but if you feel he is refusing in order to expedite self harm you can make the decision for him to be seen by a doctor that doesn’t mean he will receive forced treatment but at least you can get hospice coming a couple times a week. Take care
of yourself Nancy
Stacey
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Nancy, I went back and read some of your other posts.

This has been an abusive relationship for a long time, hasn't it?

If you are determined to stay with John until death, are you satisfied that his will/trust is going to provide for you? What will happen to you if it turns out he's left all his money to his kids/church/favorite charity?
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Davina Nov 2018
Is she automatically entitled to a certain percentage of the estate as the spouse? I've always wondered what happens to a spouse when the other partner dies and has kids from previous marriages.
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First let me say I am sorry for what you are going through,but it is more common than you think.......my father in law had done the same thing,but fortunately we were able to get him into a nursing home and at age 91 my husband was given POA and along with the doctor decided to take him odd all but comfort meds since he had no quality of life left and we ( including him)were all hoping his days were numbered,but it has been 3 months and he also got better for about the first month and is now back to where he was and we keep hoping for the final day,because you never want to see a person you care about live like this......😢
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I hear you and completely understand as this is also my life for the last 4 yrs and I feel so low in myself for being helpless
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I understand your husband's choice and now better understand the impact such choices have on others. Having watched my in-law's decline with alzheimers I have resolved that if I start down that path I will cease taking any meds (currently only blood pressure meds) and cease all doctor's visits, allowing perhaps a heart attack to take me before I lose myself to dementia. Keeping my body alive after my mind is effectively dead is not living and I do not want to end my days having my diaper changed by some teenager or twenty something woman in a nursing home. I would rather die sooner while I still have a shred of dignity.

Thank you for helping me understand the impact on others of the kind of decision your husband took, but I cannot see myself prolonging my life at any cost. That too brings with it a tremendous impact as can be read on this forum every day.
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TOMTAge Nov 2018
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Choosing to discontinue medical treatments was - and is - your husband's choice, which he's entitled to. Now he needs Hospice, which should be able to make his passage from this life more normal - and a whole lot less agonizing.

But that means seeing a doctor, getting a diagnosis (pretty obvious, based on earlier diagnoses!), lining up care. And how can you line that up, without his thinking you've gone against him in his serious determination to let nature take its course? You can inform yourself well and explain it to him - maybe he'd believe what Hospice is really about and is worth having ; or maybe not.

If there is no way to convince him except to not be there for him, maybe it's time to not be able to be there for him. That time will come, if he lives very much longer. So perhaps the most moral thing would be to fake it. Line up a plan with your own doctor and Hospice - and then explain to him (maybe in the presence of your doctor, if possible) that you must spend some days in bed (or even some time in a rest home!). Follow through - go to bed (or to a relative, where you can REST). That means that there MUST be others come in to care for him. Without breaking his rules of no treatment to prolong life, he should quickly be relieved of much of the physical misery he's going through. Soon you'll be able to 'be there' for him - but he'll have learned that Hospice is the path to going-your-own-way.
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Based on my experience, I’d say your husband does not have much longer. He seems at end stage in multiple ways. It’s tough but you will be relieved to have let him go in his own way. His family & his final days are all he has left. Be there for him; you will not regret it. Meanwhile do not give over your entire life to this painful situation. Your life has to go on too; rely on family & friends for whatever support is available to you.
God bless & sustain you.
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I feel your pain,anguish,grief,also, my friend. Been caregiver to my husband 8 long years and I'm burned out- hit a wall- tired of not having a working life,social life,and hearing what a saint I am. Crying to God daily. I thoughts might come home to him gone just two days ago. As I thought about it, I felt relieved of my stress, contemplated I might have a new life. But no, he was still here when I got back. I'm going to a counselor just started, as I have been thinking how to kill myself, even looking it up online. I hope you can feel me holding you in a hug as you release the emotions.
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YsLadyMN Nov 2018
Please, call for hospice support. For you as much as him. I have wished and planned to die. That was almost 30 years ago to the day. My story wasn't over yet... I'm SO GLAD that plan failed. I have a wonderful new life I could never have imagined at that point. Have hope, life CAN be good again.
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You poor dear - call his doctor any one of them and tell them your story - maybe they can set up hospice or palliative care for him and for you so you will have someone who knows what to look for in his care.
let us know how it goes- I know it’s hard!
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Hospice, now... a good hospice unit will not just take care of your husband's last days, but will ease the burden from you. At least talk to one... try to find a non-profit, you shouldn't have to pay anything, and if there is any cost Medicare should cover it.
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It doesn't sound like your husband has much longer. Not being listened to and feeling powerless must make it much harder. It's his choice to die as he wishes but you can also take breaks or do whatever makes you feel better and in more control over your fate. You could start planning and laying groundwork for how you'll live after this is finally over.

My neighbor went through this with her husband who was dying of prostate cancer and refused any medical help. He stayed mainly in their bedroom, sleeping more and more until his breathing gradually slowed and he died--it took two or three years. She stayed close by but still kept up with her friends and activities. She didn't seem too rattled by the whole process but that's how she was. He was the type of guy who had messes and incomplete projects like car rehabs and remodels going on throughout their property for 50 years and wouldn't ever let her clean anything up. Once he died she quickly got everything done and cleared away.
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Yes, I am going through the same thing. Also since 2014. My husband is not as far along as yours and I am all of a sudden very worried about the future. My future. Whether or not I have one.

I understand your mixed emotions.

The only conclusion that I can come to is that I have to live every day with some levity, some fun, some joy.

This requires detaching to a rather large degree.

Easier said than done, I know. But we can do it.
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If you have not called Hospice..now is the time.
Hospice will help him by being able to relieve pain and manage symptoms.
Hospice will help you with support, understanding, volunteers that can come and sit with him while you get out for a bit of "me time", Chaplains that can (if you want them) can help support you spiritually and Social Workers that can help you navigate any number of things.
Hospice can help you both in preparing the "What's Next"

Personal comment here....
It's not fair.
But I bet as your parents always told you and you probably told your kids.... Life isn't fair.
Sometimes you get Roses sometimes the Manure that the roses need to grow and thrive.
Right now you got the Manure! But so does your Husband.
Everyone should when the time comes be able to say...I've had it, I'm done. I'm Tired.
When my Husband was in the final stages of the Alzheimer's that took his life I did not want him to go..but when I would look at him he, the person in that bed was NOT the man I fell in love with, was not the Loving Husband, Great Dad, Wonderful friend..this was a shell of that once vibrant person. To ask him, to ask God not to take him would have been selfish on my part.
The great thing that you have that I did not....you can talk to your husband and he can respond.
What your husband needs from you is your support of his decision.
He needs to know you will be alright
And as hard as it is he needs you to tell him these things.
It will be difficult but accepting it or not the outcome will be the same. What will be different is the after. For you to accept these things you will begin to heal.
This is not to say the grief will be easy, it isn't but acceptance is a big step.
Hospice can help with all of this.
Thoughts and prayers to you.....
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Anonymous. My name is David – I don’t know you but…. I do know you. I am you.
I am 59 & have taken care of  both my parents over the last 8 years. I moved them in with me (I am single) & have cared for them 24/7.
My father had Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s & also had a AAA. He passed “Peacefully” back in 2016 (more about that later.)
My mom suffered a debilitating stroke in 2010. She can barley speak, cant stand or walk, is mostly paralyzed on the left side (Left Hemiplegia) , She can’t express feeling’s or thoughts with a few exception and with incredible effort .
SO I tell you all this to explain “my Understanding” of not only what you are going through but maybe a little of what your husband is going thru.
On paper, My mother looks great Vitals are strong, Blood work is great But she has NO quality of life. She has told me she wants to die consistently over the last 8 years. As difficult as it is for her to express herself, She struggles and puts in great effort to tell me “HER WISHES” . I too often find myself listening to see if she is breathing when she naps or sleeps.  And I have given caregivers INSTRUCTIONS that if they think she is not breathing, DO NOT GO IN AND SEE. Most caregivers will walk in & give a nudge just to see if their breathing or even wake them up. I have had countless discussions with mom to give her the assurance that I will not do ANYTHING to impede her passing but that I can not actively participate in that capacity.
I tell you all this in hopes you will look at it from a different perspective. A perspective that has given me great solace. I’ll make this as clear as I can.
I don’t WANT my mom to pass but I Want her comfortable & at peace. “Comfortable and at Peace to HER is to Die “
If I truly love my mom, & I do, I should, & do, look forward to the day I walk in &  her body is motionless.  
I have rehearsed this scenario several times in my mind & have decided that when this happens, I will pull up a chair, hold her hand & just sit quietly for however long feels right … Just me and my mom.   I’ll cry, I’ll shake, & I’ll be confident that she has finally gottin what she WANTS.  Peace & as she puts it, She will go home (to god) & see her lost family & wait for us.  Now I don’t 100% believe as she does but as time go on, I hope that’s what happens. In either case. She will be at rest.
Re. my father. In the early stages he did his best to stay as active as possible. Walk the dog, play board games & cards etc. continue to socialize with friends & neighbors. Use it or lose it was the motto. As time went on he became as you described your husband. He told me under no uncertain terms, “I am ready to die. I don’t want to see any more doctors. I just want to die. I AM READY” 

So earlier I said (more about this later)
Here’s the Later: For my father , I had called hospice & they came out & provided us with many things to make him more “comfortable” , A lift chair, a hospital bed, Walkers , wheelchairs, Medications to make him Comfortable (not better) When he got so weak that he couldn’t stand or go to the bathroom, They had a nurse come in and stay 24/7 to ease his pain (some will say to help him pass) a few days later he fell asleep & passed within 48 hours.

When the time comes, I will most certainly call them again for my mom.

This may not be exactly what you want to hear as I have the gut feeling you want your husband to get better but at the end you said , and I’ll paraphrase, You feel guilty about waiting for him to die.
My suggestion: Feel Relieved that the time is near for your husband to be at peace.
And most importantly, Enjoy as much as possible the time you have left with him.
It sounds to me he is still there mentally & maybe even emotionally. Make His Remaining Time Enjoyable and Memorable .
And respect his wishes
I promise this will make the days ahead as good as possible for BOTH of you and will also help you in the future knowing you “Honored” your loved ones wishes Selflessly.
All The Best
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Robertlewis Nov 2018
Very well said and beautifully written. Great advice. I lived it through one parent already, and the next ones getting there now.
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I have read thru all of the past answers to your situation and it is time for you to take charge and call hospice. Your husband is not mentally able to make a decision because of his health situation. When your electrolytes, and body functions are out of syn it affects your mind. YOU must make the decisions. Stop looking for the perfect answer. There is NOT one. Do what you think is best. What is going to happen is you are going to have the heart attack and John will be going strong!! Sounds like John has always had control of you. Put on your big girl panties and make a DECISION. I know I sound like a Dutch Uncle but some times we just have to ACT, the more you hesitate the more confused you get. In regard to wishing he would just DIE, pray and ask God for whatever is His will. When the going gets tough the tough gets going! John is confused and doesn't know what he wants. Take charge!! Then have peace with your decision. Hospice will understand they see your situation everyday in others.
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I wish I could be there with you. I have been through this and thanks to getting advice and support here learned as it happened. Hospice is the right way to go.
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I am so glad to hear that you are feeling better about your husband's care. I can imagine this has been a very difficult time for you. Other people have given you a lot of great advice so I won't say more about that. But did you know that hospice care is a benefit of Medicaire? If you (the patient) has Medicaire A, and I am sure you husband does, you are elligible for total coverage on every asect of end of life care. You don't need Medicare Advantage or any other kind of insurance to be eligible. I thought that this was the case, and when I researched it I see that this is a little known benefit and little utilized. I hope you will begin to make plans for your own future. You deserve this.
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Call Hospice today! Disregard what he says about outside help. Once he gets a dose of morphine and ativan he will be much happier. Get him resting comfortably and GET OUT of your house for several hours a day!

Those online lifespan calculators are pretty good. Find one that has a lot of detailed questions.

But I think you already know, he does not have long based upon what you've said. I'd give him a month at best.
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I don't know if this could help you. My mom was diagnosed at age 62 with lymphoma. She saw her doctors and took her meds. By age 74 she was tired of all the meds and doctors. The way the medication makes you feel takes away from enjoying life. She stopped the treatments. Yes, she got herself back for a while. No more having to stay away from family because they could make her sick. No more feeling bad from medication. Yes, she left us 9 months later, but she told me if she had to do it over she would have never done treatments. It took so many years of living away from her. Sometimes the cure is worse then the disease. I know that is not the same as a spouse. I know that because I just lost my spouse. He had a stroke in 2014, and for over 4 years I became his caregiver, giving up my life for him. I even moved from our home with him in order to get a doctor that understood he wanted to enjoy life, not a medication fog. Best move I ever made, yes he had another stroke, (4 years two months later) not that any doctor can stop the inevitable, but I enjoyed having him back, enjoyed what time we had, and would have taken care of him for years to come.
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My heart breaks for you. Know that you are deeply and truly loved by the King. I can’t imagine being in your shoes. What courage and strength it must take to be by your husbands side.
In this situation, it seems the only help (and the best help) comes from the Lord. His ways are better than ours.
We are not meant to understand it all. Sometimes all we can do is persevere. Ask him for guidance, strength, rest and peace and you will receive it. Believe it.
I am sure there is no other your husband would love to have by his side than you. :)
The church can help, in the sense that we worship together and pray together. We are the church. I hope you are able to take time each day and rest in his presence and talk to him.
I also am in a situation where I feel like I’m waiting for someone to pass. Boy, is it an awful feeling. The truth is, we just don’t want to see them suffer anymore. It’s ok.
You will be ok, there is another side to this. Praying for you both.
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Go to your family doctor and request that hospice be brought in.  They will help you.  My mother died last week and we had brought in hospice. Best thing we could have done because they helped her to not be in pain and yes, it's horrible waiting for them to die, but with hospice it didn't feel like we were doing this by ourselves.  And actually, I think my mother was relieved when hospice came - she would die on her terms without being in pain.  XenaJada is correct in saying get out of the house - it will help even if you're just walking around the block.  Bless your heart, you have been a good wife and everything you're expressing is normal.  It's ok to hope it happens soon - it's most likely not the quality of life either of you wanted, so again, you're normal.  Hugs to you and your family.
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Death is an experience you shouldn´t go alone. You deserve support for yourself, as well as for your husband. You both need to be in company for the hard moments. Do what you have to do and have peace with your decition. You deserve to feel supported.
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I sympathize with you totally. This must be very difficult on you and your whole family. I think you are suffering from depression and exhaustion. Along with concern for your husband, remember to take care of yourself as well.

One thing you might want to do, to get an accurate read on your husband's condition, is ask for a hospice evaluation. You could probably get this through his previous doctor. You can call a hospice agency to ask, or call his doctor. It will help you and him understand how close he is to actually dying. This would be helpful to all. I would just have them come. He can agree to hospice care or not later.

The basis of hospice care is that the person is assumed not to be able to recover, is given meds only for pain, and is helped to be as comfortable as possible. You get it free through Medicare usually, and they visit on a regular basis.
The advantage of this to you is that it frees you of some of the worry and responsibility of his "end", and his existence until that time. Hospice can also provide respite care.
It would be interesting to see if he would agree to hospice care.

I also highly recommend that you start doing some things for yourself and not have your life totally depend on his. This is to both help you out of your depression, and prepare for life without your husband. I have dug myself out of depression more than once. The first steps are the hardest, but well worth it. Your symptoms of crying are probably related to depression and fatigue. have you discussed them with your doctor? A mild anti-depressant may be very helpful. You will just feel better, and better able to cope. There are many out there intended for temporary use. Also, just getting some help for YOU will make you feel better.

If your husband can be left for an hour or two at a time, start doing things away from the room he is in, and away from your house. Make tiny commitments and promises to yourself, and keep them. You will feel stronger and more independent. Visit or go to lunch with friends, go to church, even if you don't quite feel like it. Have them pick you up. Let people do things for you. Think of some things you really would like some help with.

The easiest way to do this is step-by-step. If you feel overwhelmed, back up and pare it down til you are comfortable. But not stagnant. This is a way to prepare for when your husband is gone - how you will function, what you will do to maintain a meaningful life. Spend some time with your children as well. Go out with them to do something - a movie, a museum, etc.

In a way, it is selfish for him to stay at home, dwindling away. Do you think he wants you to be so negatively affected by all this?

Does he have his finances, will, etc in order? Have you two talked about his dying, what your plans would be, etc. Have you told him how this is affecting you? Sometimes people think they should not discuss certain things with dying people. When actually, they should.
Try to think about his point of view - would you want to leave the comfort of your own home and go to a strange place to die? It is always harder on the ones left behind.
But we need to think of the ones leaving, too.

There is a possibility that a time estimate on his remaining life may be a "wake up call" for him, and he will opt for some quality at the end of his life. But in the end, it is up to him.

Possibly once he sees he is no longer the center of attention, he will change his mind about "waiting to die". And even if he doesn't, you will be living a life you enjoy much more. A husband and wife have a life together, and a life apart. You just need to figure out where the line is.

Good Luck on all of this. God Bless you all.
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Freddy1960 Nov 2018
HI Penny. Can't believe you said he is being selfish? So he is pretending to have cancer etc. just to be the center of attraction? OMG listen to you all... So after a life of hard work he can't die peacefully at home? He has to be shipped off to a hospice because dying is so unfair of him????
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I am sorry for you loss. I say this because you feel that you have already lost him and are just waiting for it to become official. In the meantime, you want professional input about his condition, so that you know what to do for him and for you. You're right in thinking that he doesn't want to know; he's scared, too. You mentioned that he's tired/weak, not very mobile and deteriorating. Part of his not deciding to make a doctor visit could be the effort involved.
Contact a hospice agency. A medical person will come to your home. There will be conversation, maybe a basic physical to determine his needs. Hospice can keep him at home, while attending to his health; taking a heavy burden off you, mentally and physically. Hospice works with you and the patient, abiding by your wishes. If he doesn't want to go back on meds, he doesn't have to. They provide medical equipment...oxygen to help his breathing, a chair or walker for his mobility, an adjusting bed for his resting comfort and regular nurse/doctor visits to keep you informed of his condition, helpers to manage his needs AND yours. Medicare covers hospice, Medicaid covers even more.
Please, make the call . . . for both of you.
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Your husband is obviously dying and the only thing a doctor could do is put off the inevitable which would only serve to prolong the suffering for both of you. We all have to die sometime and it seems your husband's time has come and he has clearly decided to decline curative treatment and let nature take it's course. That is a perfectly valid decision considering his situation and should be respected.
Please read and learn about palliative home care!
Now, oh dear poor you, how unfair for him to have all those chronic problems, like he went to the supermarket and bought himself some cancer to secretly enjoy all by himself.
It is not his fault he is so ill. It is not a question of fairness. What if it were the other way around and you yourself had the same conditions as he has now. Would that mean you are being unfair to him?
When you got married it was for better and for worse until death do us depart. So his time has come--men generally die earlier than women because we work so much harder.
But oh no it is so unfair for YOU. YOU are depressed. YOU YOU YOU all YOU can think about is YOUrself. Hubbie is terminally ill how unfair of him. Poor YOU.
All you need to do is a little research on the Internet to know that once prostate cancer is out of the box (reached the bone) there is no cure. A friend of mine died recently of the same condition and he suffered terribly.
So please respect your husband's very sensible decision to get this over with as fast as possible since very clearly he has absolutely no quality of life. I do not know him but I guess he is not at all happy about being dependent and unable to work and provide for everyone. I also guess he wants to pass on soon so he will no longer be a burden on his family.
So please stop feeling so sorry for yourself because life has its ups and downs and the only thing each and everyone of us do, including you, is to die. FAIRNESS has nothing to do with it.
Get him palliative home care and respect his decision.
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ConnieMH71 Nov 2018
Most of what you said would have been very helpful if you had just left out the YOU...paragraph. She needed to just vent, she’s scared to death, feeling helpless and I’m sure depressed from watching her husband slowly dying.
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I am sorry this is happening. But here is a simple question for YOU. If YOU were living in his body, would you want someone to try to keep you alive? I would hope not as it would be exceedingly cruel. The poor man is very ill and deteriorating and he is not going to get better and he knows it. Please, please - have some compassion and understanding and be there for him but don't deprive him of his wish to find eternal peace. This man has suffered enough. You will get through this once you realize it is his life and his wish and it needs to be honored. Eventually knowing he is at peace will bring peace to you. Good luck.
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My heart goes out to you.I don't know what your beliefs are but the bible says you have earthly body as well as a heavenly body his earthly body is tired.none of us will live on this earth forever thank the lord.Please put your faith in Gods word you will look at this totally different. If my husband could speak with some clarity which he cant due to his condition of Frontotemporal dementia at age 58 and told me he was ready to go home I would let him do what he wanted to because his faith is in the lord .Please don't be depressed pick up your bible.
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smeshque Nov 2018
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oh dear friend. this is no way to live. I am there with you in a certain extent. My mother moved in with me and is dying and on hospice at home unable to do anything unassisted. She is 88 and bed ridden, blind Since 2014 I have been there at her beckon call. She is end stage Parkinsons, blind, doing the horrible breathing too- I hold my breath every time I enter the room- just like you. It is such a roller coaster. She has dementia and makes me crazy most afternoons when she asks the same thing about 50 times. I feel like a prisoner in my own home because I am honoring what she wants to do. It is so hard and frustrating She is skeletal but under the delusion that she is fine. I feel like it is never ending -to watch her wasting away and sometimes wonder why in the world I am putting myself through this- emotional too. It is awful watching your loved one gasping for air and looking so terrible. It is no sin to wish they were gone- to be free from these diseased and sick bodies.

Mine still takes some meds and has Hospice at home coming out once a week or as needed. Can you get anything like that? or will he refuse?
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Nancy; please come back and tell us how things are going with you and DH!
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