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I have been dating my boyfriend for 5 years now, he's 21 and I'm 23. He has been taking care of his mother for about 2 and a half years, and his father recently died of ALS about a year ago. I've been paying for the majority of his meals and some things for him here and there, as I have a full time job, and he stays home to care for his mother(he gets about 500 dollars from the state to do this, helping pay utility bills at home). She gets "survivor benefits" to basically stay home and not move(this covers rent and basic needs), although I know she's capable of caring for herself. She is manipulative, spiteful, and says horrible and cruel things to him and his brothers. I'm a little frustrated, because he seems stuck. He only gets so many hours for caring for his mother, and could get a job and support her better that way, but it seems like since he gets a little money, he will stay where he is until his mother dies(she has kidney failure, but has mobility and can generally take care of herself.) I'm planning on moving in to help with costs(and to not be divided between two homes), but I'm not sure if I should if he's going to be staying home all day, not making enough for us to survive on when she passes away, or even the effort it takes to get a job. He has said many times that we should put her in a home, or find another caregiver for her while he works, and move out. He has done a couple of construction classes, and has been working(very little) on a build site recently. However, I'm worried because he says he "doesn't like working" but I can also tell he feels rejuvenated when he does work(more accomplished).I love him a lot, and this is probably more me venting than a full question, but is this situation normal? Should I be supporting him this much, or should I stay out of the picture until he gets a job that can support us in the future? I know that his mom makes it incredibly difficult for him, but I just want to be able to start our futures together, and she doesn't seem like she'll be gone anytime soon. Is moving in a good option?

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If his mom is able to care for herself, then why is your boyfriend still living there and getting paid to care for her? If she's doing so well, those benefits might be lost. Or, if he's taking care of her, then how is he going to get an outside job?

If his mom is so horrible to live with, why do you think your boyfriend continues to live there? Is it because he doesn't want to work outside of the home? Does he feel obligated to stay there? What will your role be in the home?

From my experience, people who don't want to work and tell you that they don't care to work, generally, aren't going to work, especially if they have someone else provide for them. If you don't mind being the bread winner and living with a woman whom you describe as spiteful, manipulative and cruel, then it might work out. It just sounds like you are volunteering to move into a dysfunctional situation.

It's not for me to say what you should do, but I would think long and hard before I moved in with someone who I had to support, especially, if I was going to be treated poorly by his mom. It's her home, so her rules apply. I would imagine that would be very stressful and I try to avoid stress.

ALSO, GET AN OPINION on her qualifications regarding benefits. I would explore IF his mom is getting state or federal benefits, YOUR income could be considered and it might have an impact on her benefits.
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Watch out for the quicksand. i assume your boyfriend's mother is somewhere between 40 and 65 years old. Why did he feel the need to help his mother since you say she is quite able to do things for herself? I could see him taking care of his Dad. Has he always lived at home with her? By chance is he the youngest child?

As for future accomplishments for the boyfriend one only needs to review his past accomplishments. If you do move in, you could be the main breadwinner for many years to come. Nothing wrong with that if that is what you want.

You have to do what your gut feelings tell you to do. The fact that you are questioning this tells me you are having second thoughts about moving in. I think your boyfriend needs to prove himself. He doesn't need to be sitting at home watching his Mom is she is able to do for herself, but it sounds like she is able to guilt him into doing so. This could go on for decades, depending on her health.
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No. Do not move into this situation.

Put some distance between you. Meet other people. Date others. Or at least socialize casually with others. You have been tied to this youngster since he was 16. That is much too young for him to make adult commitments. Let him grow up some.

How old is his mother? In her 60s? This unhealthy situation of co-dependence may go on for 30 more years!

No, do not move in.
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Run. Run as far away as you can from this situation.
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Run, run far, far away from this situation. You sound mature and responsible, No one else you have talked about (boyfriend or his mom) sound remotely functional or emotionally healthy. They will pull you in and pull you down into their dysfunction.

You deserve a young man who will bring as much to the relationship as you do, not one who is looking to you to do all of the heavy lifting because he doesn't like to work. Run!
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I don;t see anything here that would make me do this. I can garentee once you move in you will also be taking on more housework and mom care than you are being told! you will get the cooking, cleaning.. allthe "womans work" and BF and Mom will treat you like poo. Read other posts.. this is the comman theme in situation like this!
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Lol, Babalou! That's exactly what I was going to say!
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Sounds like you've answered your own question, but just need further agreement from other's. Just because you love someone doesn't make them the right person for you!!!
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RUN, and don't look back.
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You and your BF are both young. Has he ever lived independently or held a job long term? If he has shown he has the ability to function as an independent adult you might try to help him get free from his manipulative mother. Encourage him to find a job and move out on his own, perhaps to get therapy to process the awful feelings he must have in regards to his father's last years and his mother's narcissism. If he is unable or unwilling to take those first steps to keep you then you have to understand that you will never come first in his life and move on.
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please please don't.
It is a horrendously unhealthy family.
You MUST stop giving money, and do what cwillie said- encourage him but please do not move in with him- even if he leaves mother.
You are being held onto , you deserve much better whether you believe it or not.
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I'm just sitting here goggling at the screen. The bit where you ask "is this situation normal?"

Does even a tiny part of you think it *might* be normal?

You're 23 years old. Your boyfriend is 21. You have not even started your lives yet, either of you.

Do not move in with him. Lead your own life, and if you still want to then make space for him to come and join you in it when he's ready to leave home.

By the way. Your boyfriend's mother is in no way your responsibility. But don't you be too quick to assume anything about the capabilities of someone with renal failure sufficiently severe for her son to be her paid caregiver. You may not like this lady, and maybe she deserves it; but hold off on judging her. What happened 2 1/2 years ago, do you know?
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Run run as fast as you can!

I don't know if you're concerned about your boyfriend taking care of his mother. If you are, then realize he has siblings. They should be involved in the mother's care before you get roped into it!
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I got past that CM and nearly died when I read Is moving in a good option? Absolutely NOT and if there was a chance to enlarge emboldened italicise and underline that I would do believe you me.
Your b/f is 21 his mum is unlikely to be older than 66 tops and you are planning to put your life on hold before it has even begin my darling? please please think about this with the heart put to one side for the moment.

You might love your b'f to the end of the world and back right now but I can see a mile away that you will have zero life. If you think she is bad now you just wait till you're there and she can vent on you for taking up her precious boys time when he should be caring for her.

Be there for him as a friend but he needs to develop the balls to stand up to her on his own. Until he can do that he isn't worthy of you .
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Looking back - as us old folk tend to do - age 17 thru 28 was the most fun, carefree time of my life. I did it right. Went to school, had fabulous girlfriends, danced till dawn, had a few serious boyfriends but also juggled three gentleman callers at one point, changed jobs on a whim because I could - I had a blast! If I were queen of the kingdom I would decree that no one could marry, or have children before age 30. The person you are or should be in your 20's is very different from the person who's time eventually comes to settle down and be responsible in your 30's. KortiApple - grown up life lays ahead of you, with all its seriousness and responsibilities. Once you walk through its door there will be no turning back. Please don't rush to it - it's not going away - it will be there. Now that I'm an old fuddy-duddy with more responsibilities that anyone has a right to, sometimes I think it is my memories and experiences of those wild, fast-living, FUN filled years that sustain me.
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Thank you for the replies. I suppose I should add that my family is just as dysfunctional, if not more so than his. My mom remarried when I was 7, had my brother, and Ive felt like the outcast of the family ever since. My stepdad is ex-military, thinks he is right always, and constantly throws fits(he recently busted off my doorknob with a hammer because I had the audacity to get a lock), and will set rules for me that he does not for his own child. My mother has no backbone of her own, and frequently takes his side in trival matters. Even though I pay rent that I can not really afford, I am still treated like a burden for living there. I also can not afford rent on my own, since I make just above minimum wage in a big city. So, while his family sounds absolutely insane, mine has caused me significantly more mental scarring. At least my boyfriend tells his mother when she is being delusional and let her know she is wrong in doing so. My family is well-off, which is why I was considering paying the same rent at my boyfriends, since they are low-income and have a difficult time staying afloat, which isnt my responsiblity, but I would rather live with a crazy lady with renal failure(who surprisingly loves me, its very odd) being free to move around the house, and giving support to my boyfriend who has had his mother take everything from him and his brothers since they were young, than with a false father figure who is loaded and is emotionally abusive and causes me to stay locked in my room away from him. I cant afford rent on my own, my father and stepmother recently got a divorce so his house is being sold. My life has been a dysfunctional mess from the time I was born, so I suppose thats why I asked if it were normal. I dont even know what normal would feel like at this point. Although, these answers have made me think it through, and I think Im going to lay a few things on the table before I move in with him. I'm going to ask him about my concerns, and if he cant get a job, what he expects to do when we have to move out and take care of his younger brother. If he cant answer efficiently, I suppose I'll have to find a roomate. I appreciate the answers, and if you guys had anymore advice, I would appreciate it.
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Man, Kotriapple, that's a pretty tough situation. I can see your point of having to weight which situation is less dysfunctional, but something you said stood out to me. You said you had trouble viewing your boyfriend's situation as problematic, due to your own dysfunctional home life. Is there a way that you can work on getting that perspective established and maybe even get some tools to help you cope? Do you have access to counseling or therapy?

Sometimes, a professional can help us with issues that we may be too close to see ourselves. Getting that basis, might help you cope, regardless of which route you take.

It sounds like you have given this a lot of thought and that you want security and a place of peace and love. You sound like you have a lot to offer too. I'd be very careful not to jump to another place that may not meet that expectation.

I do wish you all the best.
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I AGREE with all of the other posters, DON'T DO IT!!! You have your whole life in front of you, why would you place yourself in a position where you are financially supporting another family? In the future, you will likely be placed in a position to have to care for one of your own parents, Hopefully not for a very long time, but you might! Why ever would you throw away the best years of your life at 23! Be his friend, be kind, but set out to enjoy the hell out of your 20's, for God's sake, your still a vibrant young girl! Live it Up! Travel, Explore! There's a whole big world out there! You may not get another chance, once you are locked into your career, and are having babies! I didn't, I had my first child at 20, and don't get me wrong, I Love my kids, but certainly wish I had put it off for a few years, but that was what our parents pushed us to do back in the 70's, you got married, and had babies, at least if you had immigrant parents like mine! But if you were my kid, I'd tell you to have fun, life will undoubtedly get difficult enough at some point! Good luck, and go get um girl!
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NO. Please don't. He should be getting a career going or getting an education or both. You will live in poverty for the rest of your life. And please do not get pregnant. Really think with your head not your heart.
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KotriApple, " My mother has no backbone of her own, and frequently takes his side in trival matters". BF stands up to his mother to impress you. Once you move in, he will stop doing that. You will find out what co-dependent really means. Once the fish is in the boat, he doesn't have to bait the hook.
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Never heard that one, Pamstegma - I like it. The one I'm familar with is "you quit running once you catch the bus".
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His what? His younger brother? What about his younger brother?

Of course his mother loves you! It gives her something else to beat him up about, that she can't imagine what such a nice girl sees in him. How long do you think that'll last once you're living there?

For God's sake, find a roommate, get out from under your freaked-out stepfather, set your mother a good example, and see if your boyfriend follows your lead. If so, great. If not, you'll be free to enjoy life with people who know what normal looks like. Build your career, make your own money - it'll be a lot easier when you haven't got these people taking up so much space in your head. You've had a rough start, but it's other people who've created the mess, not you. Don't feel you have to join in.
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What CM said. No matter how many roomates it takes, get out and experience life ON YOUR OWN with no responsibilities but your own.

Find a therapist and work on finding out what functional feels and looks like.
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Run. Run. Run. Here's my predicted scenario if you move in: you and her son will listen to ENDLESS harangues from his mom and they will persist 24 hours a day....Young people in love long for and need special private time together daily and for prolonged periods of time....(hours and hours.). If you imagine she will leave you two lovebirds alone after bedtime, I predict that she will not....My hunch is she would call out for him for this or that petty little thing frequently at night...Additiionally, she might likely work hard at dividing you and your BF by saying untrue things about you to him. It would go on and on.

Please honor yourself and don't move in...He can still be your BF to the extent you care to accept him and his situation as it is, but do not move in, please.

Grace + Peace,

Bob
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Kotri, this sounds like you are leaving the frying pan to jump into the fire. You are using BF's request/offer to get out of your family situation, to go into a family routine and dysfunction that you know little about. Because the house is being sold you think BF is your only option. It is not. It is the easiest and you will pay for it in many ways that you have not even thought about yet.

Other option that you should consider is to leave that big city for somewhere much smaller, the cost of living is much lower. There are small homes in my community that rent for $400.00 a month. There are many towns across the country that are looking for workers and pay them well to consider moving.

You are not stuck in your current situation, nor is your BF. But, if you move in with BF you will only get stucker. You will be supporting them. How then will you get out if all your money is going for their living expenses. You CANNOT save or rescue them. That is for them to figure out, and it may NEVER happen. Find your own life, it lies ahead for you but only if you will grasp it.
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OldBob is right! My husband's Dad moved in with us when we were 43 and 46, and we had been together 18 years by this point, a well established marriage and relationship, our youngest was only just out of the house. And just because we were in our 40's, didn't mean that we didn't still require our alone time, if you know what I mean, but just the knowledge that he was In the home, not even bothering us, but knowing he was in the home, put a huge damper on our love life! The term PUT A SOCK IN IT, took on a whole new meaning! Lol! Gone was the silliness, the grab a**ing, and sugestive cuddles in front of the sink, the running through the house naked because your work clothes were in the dryer, everything is DIFFERENT! You really need to think this through, because EVERYTHING about your LOVE LIFE will absolutely change, and you are young! Are you really ready to let that fun and intimacy Go in your relationship? No, of course not!
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You should listen to the song, "Scrubs," by TLC. God bless you, hope you take the good advice the others are giving you.
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Do not move in. Absolutely not. You asked for advice and everyone has said NO. You are asking for a nightmare if you do not listen to this advice.
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Run. Run fast.
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You are so young. Don't let a bad decision made when you are only 23 affect the arc of your life! Other posters have excellent points.

One poster touched on the fact that you might have to care for your parents at some point. Yes, your stepfather is wealthy, but what if he dies and his money doesn't go to your mother? Then what happens to her? Will you be responsible for her? Certainly if she knows your are caregiving for a boyfriend's mother, it will be expected by all that you will do the caregiving for her. And what if your mother dies first? I certainly hope you won't be guilted into caregiving for your abusive stepfather?

Age 23 is a great time to start knowing yourself better, and to respect yourself more. There is a big world out there, and you deserve better than some 21 year-old who puts up with abuse from his mother (and who expects that you will put up with it, also).
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