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This is my dad... a child of the depression and a bit of a hoarder. He's living with me now and I'm searching for future ALs. He has short term memory issues but he does know he has plenty of money... still, he thinks everything should cost what it used to. I've just learned to lie alot. Like say "oh, the VA is paying for that" or "it's covered under Medicare" I'm not sure what will happen once he's in the AL and if other people talk about what it costs... he may realize I'm lying to him. He's 93 and, yes, I'm fortunate that he was a saver and won't run out and can afford a nice AL. He wants to leave money to us kids but there are 7 of us and by the time its divided, it's not going to change anyone's life dramatically. But it could be spent to make his last days as pleasant as possible. Not saying extravagant, but good care and lots of attention is my goal. (And when he wants to save the butter tub or Amazon boxes in his room, I just throw it away and say "not in my house!".... )
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PoofyGoof Dec 2020
Thanks Mary! Interesting. My dad hoards empty boxes too. And office supplies. He's in AL and I haven't been inside his apartment since last March. Yikes!!! What do you suppose the fascination with empty boxes is?
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Oh yes!
And as you stated, it is likely cause by her tight wad, controlling husband.

My aunt was like this as she grew up in an abusive home during the Depression, lacking the basic necessities. It was ingrained in her to be a tightwad, even though her husband was a good provider. She sent me on a few unicorn journeys as well.

Her son-in-law handled her money (I thank God for him), and did it well. She went for a long time needing a bridge in the front and had a big gap. She fretted and fretted over the money but SIL assured her she had plenty and some insurance. He contacted the dentist and made payment arrangements and gave strict orders they were NOT to let her know the price. Well, she asked and demanded the info. They hemmed and hawed and I think one lady told her it was $200. She believed it and left. (It was really more like $2,000). My sister and I joked that if aunt found out the real price, she'd go storming back to that office, yank out the bridge and slap it on the counter and demand her money back! :-)
And she WOULD HAVE!
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My mom is very thrifty and I'm on her checking account, so I manage her money. She always asking can she afford it. We weren't poor growing up, but with a father in the military who got paid twice a month, she is just accustomed to being frugal. I go over her statement with her each month and though she complains she can't see anymore, she can read that cable bill.
She can't have but a certain amount in the bank or she'll have to pay for her own health insurance. So, I remind her to spend it on yourself or the government gets it.
As has been said here. I don't tell her the real cost on some things.
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Imho, yes, I can relate. My mother, who was a child of the Depression era mindset thought a meal out at a non fast food restaurant for 4 people should cost $12. My mother widowed early and as a result, had 3/4 of a home mortgage loan to pay off. Her SS income at TOD was $1,223/month, yet she was able to own her home and have a savings account from years of thriftiness. Prayers sent.
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PoofyGoof Dec 2020
Wow, That’s great!
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my mother was this way but she was a child of the depression. She never changed. Ever. We did her grocery shopping for her and had to hide the receipt and try to tell her we forgot to get it or it fell out of the bag. She would still spend her days looking thru the sales ads and wanted us to go here there and everywhere looking for the items that were on sale. Even if it was 10 cents cheaper someplace else. Thankfully if we remembered, we could take the ad and price match at Walmart. But if we hit the grocery store on the way home after work, then we just went wherever. I controlled her checkbook so she didn't know what we were spending, but she would always question and fuss. It was hard to deal with it and I feel for you. The best way is to lie. Tell her you went to the place she wanted you to and you got it for the cheaper price. Don't give her the receipt if you can get away with it. You will have to learn to control that situation yourself and not let her do it for you.
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Many times elderly people develop a real sense of narcissistic entitlement. They truly believe that getting old means that everyone in their life is supposed to be waiting at the ready 24 hours a day to wait on them hand and foot and cater to their every whim. If she never really had any concept of time or money then she never really had to be responsible for anything. People like this almost always expect the world and everyone in it to not only assume total responsibility for them, but to cater to them as well.
I suggest you tell her what I used to tell my cheap father.
'You can't take it with you'.
Don't go wasting a whole day chasing down unicorns for her or using $25 in gas running around for her so she can save 25 cents. Put the brakes on that now or it will get worse.
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dentist" tell her the dentist requests that she rinses with pure organic coconut oil and swishes in mouth for at least 5 minutes... work up to 20 minutes : spit out; brush teeth, floss, and takes a metal tooth pick to remove excess plak.. done, cheap, and it works...... baking soda if necessary... mouth wash to feel fresh and clean... this will give her something to sink her teeth into, and it is good, feels good and refreshing. google it.
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M 89yo mom can be like this. But, she is reassured when I keep her check book balanced and she can see her money. (Her bills are on auto pay, and her statements come in to her email which she no longer checks - I do - so I'm the one who can reconcile her account.)

In the larger scheme of things, it's a minor issue for me. Perhaps if your time is monetized with an hourly rate your MIL would be able to weigh what she wants you to do against how much it costs you of your time. Just a thought.
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