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Hello all. Everyone on this list is so helpful that I thought I would ask your advice. I live with my elderly father and I work from home. We have a Home Health Attendant during my work hours and I wanted to know if anyone else is in the same situation and how you handle it. At first our home health attendant was providing 24 hour care. But the fact that I live here made it easy for her to say that she was going to discontinue providing 24 hour care and only come during my work hours. The problem is that our HHA thinks she runs the show. My family hired her I had nothing to do with the process. As I mentioned I work from home and Im required to have a quiet work environment. Our HHA is very loud. Between my father having the TV turned up at full volume and their loud conversations its almost impossible to work. Very often she will take things upon herself without asking if it is okay to do whether its buying too many things or telling my father what he is going to do for the day without even asking me.
I just wanted to know how others deal with their HHA and if you have any advice for making it all run smoothly.

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Does your father like this HHA? If so, try to work out a better understanding with her. Otherwise I'd get a new person and spell out the requirements from the beginning. How many hours is she being paid for? Make it clear that you run the show during those hours. You provide a note with the activities for the day each morning; she asks you if she would like a change in plans. One of her jobs is keeping the volume down in the house.

I too worked from home while caregiving my husband. Our aide was fabulous. She got him up, helped him bathe, got him dressed, teeth clean and hearing aids in. She did his exercises with him. She took him for walks. They did jig saw puzzles together. I know they are not all as good as ours was, but you need to have one that is at least satisfactory.

On the loud television -- I couldn't work with that, either. I got a wireless headset for hubby -- he liked that he could hear better, and could even keep listening when he got up to go to the bathroom. :-)
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Thank you Jeanne. He likes her alot. However there are times when I believe that she thinks she is in charge of the household instead of assisting. Since I did not hire her there is only so much I can say. Since you worked from home did the HHA feel as if she were doing you a favor ...I find I get the unspoken attitude of "well you're here so..."
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Talk to the person who did hire her. Explain that you are very grateful for help, but you need to come to a better relationship with this HHA. Would they please tell her that she needs to take work direction from you each day?
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Yes. The aide is there to care for your father AND to take the burden off you. Let her know that if she interferes with your work then you will have to quit work and she will lose her job, so she needs to do what she can to keep you working.

To clarify one point, if she is no longer there 24 hours, is she being paid for 24 hours or 8 hours? I think you should tell her to work 10 hours, at least!

Is she a friend of the people who hired her? Who hired her? Can you talk to them? You are naturally very grateful that they have provided a person, but the HHA needs to understand that YOU are her employer in the home. Her job is not to care for you and your needs, but it is to care for your father so that you are 100% free to work and earn a living while she is there.

I like writing dialog for people. If you have trouble thinking of how to respond to her, give us a few specific examples of things she says and does, and I will make some suggestions.

Am I wrong, or are you a person who tries to be considerate all the time? Are you baffled by her behavior, because she is so inconsiderate? Maybe if you can get into the right mindset, you can become more comfortable setting boundaries with her.
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Have a caregiver trying yo tell us when he would work and for how long. If your dad likes the caregiver, then it is time to have a review of her contract. Did you hire her or did she come from an agency? If you hired her then let her know you appreciate her and the special talent she has for caring for the elderly. Although you have thought of a couple of things that could assist you......approval for any discretionary spending, discuss outside activities for your dad and assist with a schedule. This is a tough job for you to provide someone, but at the same time you are the employer. Rules and expectations must be set and let her know since you are working during the day at home that you need some things done to assist you to better your work environment so you can focus on your work and not have to worry about dad
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I work full time at home and pay a friend to assist during heavy work hours. I get up very early and work 3 hours..........then wake up both my inlaws, change them, dress them, feed them,....then I run back downstairs to work for another 2 hours while they sit at the table and watch television. At lunchtime.........I do the same and then run back down to work for another 2 hours. Then I come back up for the evening. I get called back upstairs frequently for "bathroom issues."
During my busy season, I hire a friend to stay with them from 9 am till 4 pm. It's just way too expensive to pay for any more hours than that. And we make it work one day at a time. Outside activities are difficult because they are both totally incontinent and in wheelchairs. One is 24 hr oxygen, the other has Alzheimers.
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I would take control of the situation immediately. You have not said who is in control of the hiring of this person. It is someone with a power of attorney? You could start taking control by giving her a list of what you need and expect/ do not need or expect. Like boxes of kleenex- (my dad goes thru a box a day)
Make a budget for her, get the reciepts. start returning the excess back to the store. I did this once! If there are no reciepts, take the stuff back and get store credit. She will get the message. Get some good ear plugs, if you are not on the phone all day. (or tutoring at home, etc.) Give her written warnings with a 30-day review. Start acting like you have some authority over the situation. If you believe it; so will she!
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My siblings hired our weekday HHA and she hired her friends to work the weekends. I dont pay her and she knows that. She thinks she rules the house. The moment she walks in she heads for the kitchen and starts throwing things away (without asking) taking ites out of the garbage (that I have thrown away) rearranging items etc. Granted Im not the most organized, but its important to check before doing things in someone elses' home. The other morning she walked in and I had started fixing breakfast for my Dad. Instead of her sitting down and waiting for me to be finished, she starts making something for herself to eat and having an attitude. If she is instructed to do anything she gets angry and says "I dont like being bossed around !!!" Yet she readily tells me "Im not cooking ..you cook
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Tell your siblings it's not working out with her. Then tell your Dad she quit or the company needed to move her ...
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Toomuch4me -
Tell us about your siblings who hired her. Do they want you to be miserable and humiliated? (My best friend's siblings WOULD want her to be miserable and humiliated, so tell us if that's the case.) We all want you to talk to them, and put an end to her A-H ness and petty tyranny. HHA's aren't that hard to find. Good ones may be harder to find, but with any new one, you could lay down the law on day one. This B-h is now untrainable because she has gotten away with it for so long.

Honestly, being around her is going to ruin your health and shorten your life. You deserve better. Please call your siblings and tell them you need a change now. Otherwise, you should run away from Dad and let them make other arrangements for his care.

When she says, I don't like being bossed around, reply "Really? Then why do you boss me around? If you are not willing to do your job as I ask, you should find another job. That's how jobs work. You get paid to do what your BOSS tells you to do. I live here. I'm not the employee, you are." When she gets angry, say "Mary, you seem to be upset. Would you please step outside until you are calmer? It is upsetting Dad and me, and we both need a peaceful home."

When she says, "I'm not cooking, You cook!" Ask her, "Isn't cooking part of your job? Why are you telling me to cook? Why would you think that it's all right for you to give ME orders?"

If it turns out that your siblings have given the HHA from hell the idea that she can act like this, then you need to let them decide how they will care for Dad without your help, and Get Out. God bless you.
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I live with my father and I hired someone to come here every Saturdays from 830am-3pm. Father never liked her from the beginning and wanted to fire her. I told her in the beginning that I am the one hiring her and even if father fires her, I'm in charge. She was great in the beginning (last year). Now she's slacking off. Father complains that she takes 2 hour naps and then disappears outside. She has started her garden in our yard. She's been coming here late now. I keep telling her that I work at 830am and expect her to be here by 815. She doesn't listen. Twice she told me that since oldest sis is here (sis watches father Mon-Friday from 8am to 630pm. she has off when I get home and the weekends) to let her watch father until she comes at 845am or 10am. I have told her several times that that is why I hired her. It's not working. She's still doing things her way.

I am now actively looking for someone to replace her. She has gotten too comfortable with us and is setting her rules of when she come here. I need to dig up some phone numbers given to me by an acquaintance.

What I'm trying to say is.. if the paid caregiver knows that we're softies, they will walk all over us. Even when I confronted her about her duties (be inside with father) and consistently arriving late (so I'm late for work too), she still does things her way. Why? Because I'm all talk and no action. So... as soon as I find someone, I will tell the current paid caregiver that she's no longer needed.

And I agree - if your siblings refuse to give you the authority to rule over the house -including the paid caregiver - then you're just another caregiver in their eyes. They don't appreciate you being there with your father. Ideally, your siblings would agree to give you authority. Then either have a phone conference with them, you and the paid caregiver (or an actual meeting) and they tell her the situation and understand that she's being disrespect to you and not doing her duties, etc.. And it's up to you whether you want to keep her or not. At the moment, it doesn't look good for her. Then they tell you both that you both need to settle it between you - but that you have the ultimate decision to keep her or not. That should shock her into reality or not...
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Yesterday an incident took place and I really would like feedback from other caregivers on how I should have handled it...I was working when I heard a very loud noise that sounded like someone was falling down the stairs, I hung up the phone in the middle of my call and raced upstairs. My father was already upstairs in the bathroom complaining as usual, but I looked at the HHA and asked in a near hysterical tone "WHAT HAPPENED !!!" at first she didnt answer...so I asked again, " WHAT HAPPENED I HEARD A LOUD NOISE !!! I DID NOT IMAGINE IT !!!" Finally she says Dad almost fell but she caught him... I still wasnt satisfied and told her: WHY DIDNT YOU JUST SAY THAT INSTEAD OF ACTING LIKE IM IMAGINING THINGS..." Then she gets a serious attitude tellng me not to shout at her etc...I think Dad did fall.. but I cannot prove it because that noise was very loud.. I know I could have handled it in a less dramatic fashion. But should I tell my siblings this happened...
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I'm a Caregiver by trade for over 20 years. And a lot of them get too comfortable. They sometimes tend to take over the patient. Because you did not hire her, does not mean you can't talk to her. That's some of the issues. She knows your not going to say anything. Say Something! They don't know if you don't say.
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Too comfortable is the key phrase ...Blessed and thank you for your advice.
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Well, I suppose depending on where they were and what he bumped and what she bumped in trying to stop his fall, that could have been loud without actually Dad landing on the floor.

I also suppose that she wants to keep her job and she wouldn't want to admit to a boss that she let her client fall, (especially to a hysterical boss).

How should you have handled it? Here is one better scenario, in my mind:

You, racing into room, putting hand over heart: "Oh my goodness! I am so glad to see things looking normal! I heard loud thumps and I was really worried. Whew! What happened?"

HHA: Your Dad was reaching for something and lost his balance. He started to fall but I was right there. I stopped him from falling, but we did bump into a few things!

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HHA: I'm afraid that your Dad fell when he was reaching for something. I was right there so I broke his fall and his landing was not very hard.

You: I'm glad you were there for him. Did you notice if he bumped his head on anything?

HHA: I'm sure he didn't. He did hit his shoulder pretty hard on the railing, though.

You: Dad, when you are through in here HHA and I are going to look you over and see if you have any bruises. HHA, please call me when he is ready.

That is one way I imagine would have been better. It is not how you handled it and it is not how HHA reacted. So now we know that you are both human and neither one of you perfect. I hope that doesn't come as a big shock. :-)

Very often fear is expressed as anger. That was a pretty frightening noise you heard. Cut yourself some slack for reacting with some hysteria.

Personally, especially if this HHA has been doing an acceptable job, I think I would apologize. "HHA, I'm sorry I shouted at you this morning. I was so worried about Dad I guess I got carried away." Then drop it.

It is a fact of life that old people fall. They fall at home and in care centers. They fall alone and when someone is with them. Unless they are actually pushed, it is seldom anyone's fault.

What to tell your siblings? You know them and their likely reactions. I think I would mention the fall but not the drama. "Dad had a falling episode yesterday. He seems fine, we don't think he hit his head, but he has a big bruise on this left shoulder blade. His behavior is his usual, but I'm keeping an eye on him."

Some people are trained to remain calm in crisis situations. Unless you have had training as a first responder or an ER staff member or a kindergarten teacher your "calm" button probably does not immediately kick on. I'll bet you'll get a little better at that as you have more experience. But don't beat yourself up over this event!
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My response above was meant for toomuch4me. I should have mentioned that in the post.
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You are very right Jeanne. Great advice
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Type up a statement of a "Job Review." Make a bullet-point list. It will avoid sounding like an emotional rant. I think taking the gardening out of the list. But she must be on-time, and spend an appropriate amount of time with your dad. Also, create a daily list and time sheet to have her enter an initial and time each item was done. Put her on a 30 day probationary period, with a requirement to turn in time sheet daily. That way, you can watch for consistency. Make her sign the agreement. If she refuses to comply, fire her.
Many businesses use this tactic. Be brave! You ARE the boss in this situation. on the spot.
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The reason I say to let the gardening go, is that it gives her exercise, and a small amount of space. But it can't be an escape to avoid doing her job. I took care of a lady on 48 hour shifts. The tiny bedroom I was expected to sit in made me get fat, bored and resentful.
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Today I realized how much our HHA takes advantage. She hired her friends to work in her place on the weekends, well one of them didnt work out so she is now working on weekends too. I guess she feels she is doing us a favor by working on weekends so she has decided its "her time" by coming in and doing her laundry, bringing her child (leaving him with me while she runs and errand with my father) Enough is enough...
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Wow! Leaving her child with you. Doing her laundry in your house! Did she ask your permission?

DevotedtoDad's 30 day notice is a good idea, but I'm afraid of this woman. I don't want her to be in your house knowing that she is probably going to be fired. I think you should find a replacement, let her know she is fired, and give two weeks salary in place of notice, and GET HER OUT!!!

I know you're planning to move out. I don't know what your siblings feel about firing her. If you aren't going to be gone in the next two weeks, then please get her fired so you can hire someone responsible so that when you do move out, he will be settled in with a new caregiver.

I have no right to push and bully you into taking action, but I WANT to! I want you to be in a happier situation. Now or very very soon.
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Thanks as always Jinx. Im so fed up with this whole situation. Im amazed at how anyone could think because they work in a person's home they can act in an unprofessional manner. I could never walk into my office talking loudly on my phone. Have the courtesy and respect to complete your conversation before you walk in.
I work from home, but I act as if Im in the office. I take my job seriously. Cant say the same for other people. This woman thinks shes doing us a favor by coming here and that she can do whatever she wants because her "boss" my sibling lives out of town. She better hope my father never has to go into the hospital for an extended stay, because that would be my opportunity to cut ties with her.
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Major nag here. Have you spoken to your siblings about firing her? She's a disrespectful jerk. Don't waste time thinking about why she acts like that. PLEASE speak to your siblings about firing her!
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Im back with questions. I ask questions because I do not want to look at the role of a HHA in the wrong light. Our HHA seems to see herself as the head of the household. . For instance when she comes in, she takes it upon herself to rearrange things (the cabinets, what is in the refrigerator) granted Im not the most organized, but I dont think anyone should take it upon themselves to move anything in someone esle's home regardless of whether or not they dont like how its arranged. Maybe Im missing something. She and the weekend HHA (who happens to be her friend) seem to think it is their home. In fact the weekend HHA will tell the weekday HHA what to buy, where to put things. HUH ?? I want to know how to address it without causing chaos. I could see if Dad was living alone, but Im here. They certainly know Im here when it comes to them wanting to leave early or when something is needed from the store, but when it comes to respecting the set up of the house, they act as if they are in charge. Not only that but they are very nosey..discussing what goes on in our home...and that makes me very uncomfortable.
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I am a little confused about the 24 hour deal - the HHA was hired for 24 hour shifts, but changed to 8 hours? Does that mean that you are covering the other 16 hours in exchange for housing? If that is the case, you ought to have some say so in the caregiver arrangement.

If the POA - your out of town sibling - won't let you fire this woman, and you are living there as a work benefit, it's time to make new living arrangements for yourself. Have you communicated these problems to the POA? If the POA understood that free overnight help was about to quit, they might allow you to fire the daytime HHA. And firing is what needs to be done.

In addition, the POA needs to understand that if you were not there, the HHA would be taking advantage of the situation/your father even more than she is now. You are welcome to say to the POA that you feel like your hands are tied since there was never any explicit instruction about the 8 hour shift business and the HHA has told you that you are not her boss.

I imagine this HHA is just as bossy and ill mannered as the twit who only lasted 2 mos at mthr's memory care home. That idiot told me that there was no way she would ever have a flu shot, that they could not fire her for that, and she was not hurting anyone but herself (yet Mthr will probably die if she gets flu). I reported her words to management - she had been so snotty to me before that was the last straw for me - and she was gone the next week. I wish you the same!
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Toomuch4me - I thought you were out of there!

You don't need to ask. You know the answer. Her behavior is unacceptable. You have asked the paid caregivers here, and they tell you the same thing.

If your siblings will not support you in telling her who is in charge, and you don't have the iron ovaries to let her know what's what, you can either continue to suffer or you can leave.

Are you the kind of person who could confront her? I know it's not easy to do, but her behavior is eating away at your self-respect and your sanity. If you can't get out right now, I think you need to lay down the law with her and your siblings.

Would you write up a list of the most unprofessional things she does, then describe how she should do things? Write it up and post it here for advice and editing suggestions. We can help you decide what is a small specific reasonable list. Then email it to your sibling/POA and tell him/her that you expect them to support you.

Tell her that she is the employee, and that you are the daughter, the "First Lady" of the house. Tell her that acting respectfully to family members is expected of all professional caregivers. Present the list to her. Tell her that you expect her to align her behavior with the list. Tell her that the POA agrees with the list. Tell her that she is not to upset your father by discussing it with him. Tell her if she does not like these conditions, that she is free to seek employment elsewhere.

Sweetie, you know you are in an abusive situation. I get so angry for you. I wish I could be there to chew them out. We keep telling you that she has no right to act that way. PLEASE start writing your contract for her to follow. PLEASE keep plotting your escape. Or else accept that she is going to go right on treating you like dirt. She won't stop unless you leave or stop her yourself. If you aren't going to take action, do your best to ignore her and her actions, so you won't make yourself even more unhappy.
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I had earlier wrote a long post in response. Then I saw Jinx already beat me to it. Toomuch - nothing will change if you don't speak up. I know it's difficult because I have that problem with my oldest sis and anyone who is older or have authority.

I stopped complaining about sis because I get all these advice on how to handle the situation. And I don't do it. I even tried therapy to help me. And I still couldn't do it. I was too traumatized to do it - even the therapist realized it. So, like someone told me, if I cannot DO anything about sis, then I should stop complaining. So, I stopped complaining about sis here. I've learned to just suck it up, bury it back inside me, and just live with it. Sad, but true.

So, until you speak up to your sibling and ask that they respect you for being there caring for your father by giving you the authority to Discipline the HHA, you will always be Just another Unpaid Caregiver in the Paid Caregivers' eyes. Truly, your hands are tied as long as your siblings don't give you the authority to do this. By the way, please don't use your money to help with the house expenses. You are there 24/7, doing your share of caregiving, etc.. In reality, they should also be paying you. It would be a good idea to start saving up so that the day comes when you get fed up, you can just pack up and leave.
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You are all amazing ! Perhaps I can explain my hesitance. My father loves this woman. Its really the only thing he looks forward to every day besides arguing. I do not pay her. So anything I say is taken as complaining. In our family, its the ones with the money and prestige that matter most. I have addressed her behavior in recent weeks. Whenever I address it, she gets all upset and says : "Well then you do it !!" The next step will be for her to announce she is quitting. She knows my father likes her and doesnt value my opinion. In fact Im convinced that they gossip about me and my children. Why else would she feel the need to act like she is in charge ?

As for my siblings, nothing is really a big deal to them because they dont live here. So the things that bother me, they shrug off. Thats why I ask you all because maybe Im making a big deal out of nothing. If she were my employee it would be a different story !! If she came from an agency, trust me I would report her behavior. My family doesnt want to ruffle any feathers with her. So we are stuck, catering to her demands.
Its funny you mention using my money for the household expenses. I dont. I should clarify when I said pay the bills I mean send the checks for Dad, pay the bills online etc. He thinks hes doing me a favor by not charging rent.

I do buy food because thats another problem with the HHA. She started hiding certain items from me and my children. She claimed my father told her to do it but I dont think so.

I am certainly planning my escape. Each day.
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I still want to punch her out, and your siblings, too.

If this is one of the things you can't change, then you need to protect your sanity by accepting it. It is not right or just, but it is. Try to ignore everything she does. Picture her in Heaven trying to explain her behavior to Jesus. If she gives you orders, agree that you will do it, and then don't do it. If she rearranges things, then please yourself - either rearrange them to your preference every day, or just let them stay as she puts them, but don't get upset.

If she is ever unkind to your children, become the Incredible Hulk. Tell her there is NOTHING you will not do to protect your children. Tell her that as a mother, she must know how dangerous it is to threaten a woman's children. Tell her you are confident that she will never mistreat your children again, because you don't like to think about how angry you would get and what you might do.

Practice a facial expression that is a polite mask. Never let her see that you have been touched by anything she does. Practice a sentence like, "No, I'm not going to do that.." Deliver it calmly and repeatedly when needed.

You don't need to try to make her respect you. You only need to respect yourself. Act like a lady, and like the bigger person. She is making herself look very bad. Maybe you can't win the battle, so don't fight it. Win the war by being a good person and staying serene within.

Honest, I want to come over and punch her out!
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To add to Jinx, Document Everything! Do a Journal - even if it's brief. Mention that you told your siblings about HHA, etc.. I would prefer that you send an Email to all your siblings explaining the situation - father, HHA,etc. Explain that father is in love with HHA and that you fear that she may take advantage of this. On that same email, Request for some authority over HHA.

Why? You are Leaving Paper Trails for any future event that something goes wrong. You will have documented via your emails of your concerns. This is very important. Mention what you described here to your siblings by Email. Document, document, document!
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