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Thanks, surprise. Maybe emergency guardianship is the way to go. We will try to figure it out. My husband did get home before the roads got bad from the snow. He is asleep now. I'll talk to him and we'll work on a plan for dealing with things.

At this point I don't see MIL being released to anywhere but a nursing home. She was unable to walk or even stand when taken to the oral surgeon. I hope at least she will be more comfortable now that the dental problem has finally been addressed as it should have been. Maybe she will have to admit she cannot live alone anymore. If not, I guess we will have to consult APS. We will see what happens at the meeting on Friday.
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This morning she called my husband from rehab wanting him to take her home so she can do laundry. She can't stand up without help, but she thinks she can go home and do laundry. It's sad. He told her no. She is already mad because other son won't take her calls.

They did have that teleconference yesterday. The recommendation is that she needs 24/7 care. We have made it clear that neither son can provide that.We have applied for Medicaid as she has no assets, and we are looking into nursing homes.
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good for you, dogperson. This is the best route for all. You are doing the right things. Your hub will have to humor her on those kinds of phone calls. She isn't able to comprehend how sick and disabled she is . It may be a bumpy ride for a while yet, but at least you know where you are going and that is good news. (((((hugs))))
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Good outcome, dog person!
These "forced" situations are the worst. So many bad and hurt feelings. You're doing it right.

If they still have their mind, why can't they acknowledge that they are in bad shape and willingly take the offers of help? Denial, I guess. Pride too. The only one that accepted assisted living gracefully was my dad. Never had a complaint from him. I'll be forever grateful for that.

Keep us posted on her "progress."
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Yes, I'm bracing for a bumpy ride. We're in the early stages of trying to figure out how medicaid and nursing home placement works, plus wondering what to do if she flat out refuses to go.

I think you're right about denial and pride, Sue. It must be hard to admit that your health has failed to the point that you just can't take care of yourself anymore and can no longer live the way you would choose.

I've told my husband we will likely have to get very hard-nosed. We may not be able to force her to go to a nursing home, but we can refuse to take her anywhere else. We will try pushing the nursing home as a temporary thing until she can regain her strength. Maybe she'll accept that. If not we will have to stand firm, and it will no doubt get ugly.
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If things get too much for you and your husband, the state can take over her care/finances through a public guardianship. You will lose all say so in where she lives - it could be hours away depending on where an opening is for this type patient. You can still visit, but that's it. You would not be the "bad guy", the state would be.

You might want to use this worst case scenario/threat to get her to comply with your wishes. If you all were not around, this is what would happen to her.
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That's good to know, surprise. Sounds like a good argument to use if we need it. Thanks.
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BarbBrooklyn The comment was not meant to be a joke, but that the mom seems to still be in partially her right mind to express her wishes.
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Hopefully her son has POA over her— that does help a lot.
Having a geriatric Dr look over her health & mental issues
will tell if she is capable of taking care of herself.Make sure to jot down all the things she does out of the ordinary.Also make sure to mention leaving the stove on & falling asleep. Hope all works out for you.
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I wanted to update, even though there really isn't much new to report. MIL is still very weak and needs assistance to stand, get in and out of bed, and get to the bathroom. The rehab people say she needs 24/7 care. They noted that she repeats herself often in conversation, but said she had "good cognitive awareness." If that's true, why does she still insist that she wants to go home? If her cognitive awareness is so good, why can't she understand that she is in no physical condition to go home and take care of herself?

My husband and I are, like the rest of you, learning to navigate the maze that is elder care. Since MIL has no assets, we are applying for Medicaid for her, and I think we've finally tracked down all the necessary documents. One elusive one was a copy of the letter she got years ago from Social Security approving her for benefits. My understanding is that Medicaid and Social Security have both run by the federal government -- the same government that sent that letter in the first place and has been sending MIL her Social Security payments ever since. So why don't they know she's on Social Security and how much she's getting? Oh well, never mind that, my husband went to the Social Security office to get a copy of the letter. Of course, it was the day the federal government was "shut down" due to budget disagreements. My husband was told that although the Social Security office was open and they had computers, paper, ink, and printers, they could not print any documents due to the shut down. They could look up information, but not print it. So he went back the next week. After waiting an hour and a half, he was told that although they could now print a copy of the letter, they could not give it to him. They could only give it to MIL, who is in no condition to go the office to get it. Finally they said they could send it to her at her address of record. Fortunately my husband has been picking up MIL's mail at her home twice a week, so he has finally been able to get the document.

I'm just venting, and I realize that in the grand scheme of things, this is a minor annoyance, not a major problem. Still, it's very irritating. It's like they're going out of their way to make a difficult situation even harder to manage.

MIL has run out of rehab time, and the rehab people have pretty much acknowledged that there is little if anything they can do to help her. She is now in the same facility but as a nursing home patient rather than a rehab one, with the status "Medicaid pending."

We are hoping that once Medicaid approves her we will be able to get her transferred to a nursing home closer to us so we can visit more often. We are also hoping she will agree to it. I don't understand why she can't see that she is unable to care for herself at home, but she's still insisting that's where she wants to go. We are hoping to sell her on the idea that she needs to be in a nursing home until she gets strong enough to take care of herself at home. I guess it isn't a complete lie. I suppose it could happen, although it doesn't seem too likely.

Thank you everyone on the forum for all your advice. You have been a tremendous help.
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Dogperson as a older person myself and fully aware of my limitations I continue to plan projects that rationally i know i will never be able to do. It is a form of denial,but it allows you to still dream.
I very much doubt that at 79 I am ever going to be able to return my 5 year ago health.

Hopefully MIL will come to the realization that with her disabilities she is never going to be independent again.

I manage by focusing on the positives and plan things that I can do mainly downsizing hobbies and making use of all the help I can get. I enjoy having a house cleaner and have no desire to do housework again.

We have installed a stair lift for both of us to easily navigate the basement stairs.

I was always a cook from scratch person but right now enjoy the ease of frozen entrees. if they were
not so expensive I would sign up for one of those meals services. Well on second thoughts scrap that idea because you still have to cook them.

I used to iron everything and dry the laundry outside. Not any more.

Maybe you can help MIL see the benefits of having others care for her every need and not have to worry about going out at all unless she wants to. The only thing she has to think about food is what time the meals are served.
I will leave out socialization and activities because those are things I hate. I personally would rather persue my own interests, but I would probably go to church services and try to not think about the long NYS snowy winters as I wheeled myself through the warm corridors.
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DP, there's nothing wrong at all with the "stay and be looked after until you're well enough" approach - it worked for my great aunt for three years. Gets a little more problematic if you need to sell her home (we didn't, it wasn't an issue); but even then you can get creative about "keeping our eyes open for a nice apartment" or something like that.

And, yes, she might surprise you. ?!?

And even if she is going to be there for the duration, as a matter of fact, that doesn't mean she has to or even can change what she honestly wants, which is not to need to be there. It is fair enough, really, from her point of view.

You've done well in getting her this far out of harm's way, especially when you look back to only a few weeks ago. Hope there's more progress very soon.
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Thanks, Veronica91 and Countrymouse. I didn't mean to sound whiny in my last post. It's just frustrating dealing with all the paperwork. But we are getting there. From what I've read it seems like we're following some master script: something bad happens leading to hospitalization, then to rehab, then to nursing home. And I feel bad for MIL. Of course she wants to be able to go home, but it just isn't realistic. Growing old sucks, even if it does beat the alternative. At least MIL's something bad wasn't as bad as it might have been, and, as you say, she is in a safe place now. We don't have to worry that she'll start a fire by leaving something on the stove. I hate that she's so unhappy, but of course it's a big adjustment for her.

Veronica91, you are an inspiration. My husband and I are 61 (well, I'm almost 62), and we have been thinking about our own old age and how to manage. We just bought a riding lawn mower last year, something I had always considered frivolous and completely unnecessary. I am still amazed at how much easier it made grass cutting. Of course we aren't cutting grass right now because it's winter. In previous years, although I looked forward to spring and warmer weather, I dreaded the fact that the grass would have to be cut every week. Now I don't feel that way. Of course I know that someday I won't be able to do it even with the riding mower, but we are thinking about possibilities for that time. I hope I will be able to age as gracefully as you are doing.
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