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My mom is very gullible, and always looking for easy wealth, and so is a prime target for scam artists. She has been “talking” to somebody for quite a while now, who is feeding off of her gullibility. We have done everything we know how to warn her and tell her she’s being scammed, but she is very hardheaded. She’ll even make us think she’s stopped, until we find out later she hasn’t. They have convinced her that she speaks to or texts Trump, Vance and Musk on a daily basis. That she is a very important person working for the government. They were even going to send her a limo to go to Charlie Kirk’s memorial, but she told them she couldn’t stand that long. She has spent probably thousands of dollars on fake “Trump Bucks” and coins that she believed were worth somewhere in the trillions of dollars. I figured it up one time and showed her that the whole world has less money than she thought she had. Once she thought the FBI put her on some kind of wanted list and they her life was in danger.I’m not sure if she is just being deceived and is just too gullible to understand, OR has she crossed over into delusion? She used to tell us stuff like Biden was (unalive) and that he had a clone in the white house. She said Jill was also a clone.its just been such a crazy ride listening to all of her stories, that I know she was getting off of some weird deceitful website

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Neither. She’s mentally ill and/or has dementia symptoms.
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NanaBanana16 Oct 15, 2025
Isn’t delusion the same as mental illness?
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You have another post going

https://www.agingcare.com/questions/my-mom-lies-about-me-to-other-people-just-to-make-herself-look-better-how-should-i-respond-496800.htm

It was mentioned in that post that Mom may have Denentia. What you write here sounds like Dementia. You should get Mom an appt with a Neurologist. He will run tests to see if this is Dementia or just a mental problem.
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You can try one shot of changing her phone number as unlisted. But as soon as she gives that number out, then all bets are off and she is no longer safe. Do you have control of the checkbook?
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From what you write, she has definitely reached a point where she should not have a phone. My dad was similar, and very attached to his phone and computer.

One day, suddenly, he was told that his electronics stopped working--some "therapeutic fibbing" was necessary, for his sake.

We switched to letting him watch documentaries on Youtube--not about news or politics--on an ipad "that did not have email access," another therapeutic fib.

That was the only way to get his delusional behavior to stop.
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NanaBanana16 Oct 15, 2025
She is still fairly independent, and would just go buy another phone, tablet or laptop. Or have her service restored.
It’s getting harder and harder for her to keep up with technology though. She constantly complains that something is in her phone moving things around or deleting her photos, etc. She’s had her phone checked for malware, and there is nothing in her phone like that
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Please take her to see a pyschiatrist as well as a neurologist. It can take time to see these speacialists depending on where you live and may need to see a primary care Dr. first, depending on insurance. She appears to be ill based on your post and needs a diagnosis and a treatment plan. Wishing you all the best.
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You need to take control over your mom's finances. She is very delusional.If she believes she is literally communicating with these people, your mom cannot make judgement decisions anymore.
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TouchMatters Oct 25, 2025
Yes, I agree. Daughter needs to get legal control over finances, as well as put limits or access limits on the computer / phone / internet usage.
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She's probably crossed over from delusion into dementia. Does she live alone? If she does then she probably shouldn't be and certainly should not have unsupervised access to the internet and money.

Try to get her to her doctor for some dementia testing. If it turns out she's found to be competent and just a nutcase jumping down every conspiracy rabbit hole, there's really not much you can do about it. If such is the case you should plainly tell her the wise old Chinese proverb:

'A fool and their money are soon parted'.

Make her understand that if she gives all of her money away to scammers and nonsense she will have nothing to live on. Make sure she knows that you will not be financially supporting her at any time and nor will you be her caregiver either. That she needs to hold onto her money because she will need it. She will probably get very angry with you and maybe even stop speaking to you for a while. You have to tell her this though. Get her to her doctor and make it very clear to her that you will not rescue her, become her caregiver, or live together because she goes broke and can't afford care.
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My mom was convinced she had a large refund/prize from a “government agent” that needed thousands in insurance and shipping. Luckily we had POA paperwork that we submitted to the bank so we could better monitor her affairs. We also reported to every agency possible the situation, mailing address, copies of checks. Likely never to see a dime back. If you can, send yourself screenshots and if possible without her knowledge, put blocks on all non-contacts then delete any that seem out of place for her circle. From this experience we had my mom thoroughly tested and she has Alzheimer’s.
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Why is she allowed to be on the internet / computer?
Does she have a medical diagnosis?
What are your legal rights or responsibilities?

If she is considered of sound mind, she can do what she wants.
Someone may need to manage her finances.
Put limits on all her bank accounts.
Can you do this?

Gena / Touch Matters
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Your Mom is simply a victim of conspiracy theories and scams. According to the last issue of The Week Magazine, last year (2024) 10 BILLION was taken from gullible American Citizens by organized groups called "pig butchers", This amount is up 66% from the year before; these organizations, often "employing" slave labor, and mostly located in Asia are now called "organized crime" by our government.

If there is proof of incompetency and someone with POA it is time to protect your mom's assets.
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