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I’m not sure how to put this but he keeps saying he’s going to be dead soon and that I won’t have to put up with him anymore. I don’t know how to reply to this. Is he trying to make me feel bad? Also, when he says things that are hurtful I correct him and pull up him on what he says. He then denies that he says anything. “ are you sure I said that? “Why would I say that to you? are his reactions. I find it hard to ignore things that are said. I’ve tried grey rocking but then he asks if I’m angry with him. The “who me?” thing is getting old. And please, no abusive judgemental answers just helpful advice. Thanks

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Your father sounds so much like my mother. When she is upset, her coping mechanism is to do whatever it takes to make other people feel worse. It makes her feel better when she is able to trigger other people.

One time she slipped up and did it in front of the rehab center social worker. She called me after I got home and tried to Gaslight me. I calmly pointed out that I knew she lied. She then said that she should just kill herself and I told her that I had to notify her social worker because if someone is that depressed we have to reach out for help and said goodbye.

She called me back and told me not to tell anyone but it was too late, since I had already had time to talk to her social worker. They followed up with her and said she was OK.

She hasn't tried threatening suicide since, although she still tries to upset me in other ways.

Grey Rock and reminding her that I WILL follow through when she makes threats of any kind, really does help.
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Favegirl1 Aug 2022
I have tried Grey Rock and it seems to work most of the time. I interact with him as little as possible because it’s the only way I can deal with his bs. I make myself as scarce as possible. The self pity and attention seeking tactics get old really quickly.
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I know, you can't help not being hurt. But, chalk it up to his Dementia. Thoughts flitter through their minds and come out the mouth. When he says "I'll be dead soon and then you won't have to put up with me anymore", just give him a hug and a kiss on the cheek and say "I will miss you".

Its an awful desease especially when they know something is wrong. He is now dependent on someone else to do things for him that he used to be able to do for himself. He is a man who grew up in a time, you show no weakness. You don't cry. Dementia takes away their dignity no matter how you try to preserve it.
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Favegirl1 Aug 2022
Thanks Joann. I try to reply to the advice I get even if it’s only a Thankyou. It’s hard to have a conversation with him now which is sad because we were once pretty close.
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My grandmother was like this. If she didn't get her way she'd threaten suicide. Her go-to line was "I might as well take poison!". And yes she was doing this just to manipulate people and make them feel sorry for her. I found agreeing with her took the wind right out of her sails. Going to take poison...ok. Won't live much longer...probably. I'll be sorry when she is gone...maybe. But this was my grandmother and she was always like this. I don't know if your father is manipulative or just needs reassuring.
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Favegirl1 Aug 2022
Thanks for this. No I don’t know either. I’m hoping it’s just reassurance.
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With dementia at play, correcting dad will get you nowhere, as you're seeing, because he'll just deny he said what he originally did in the first place!!! I dealt with that very thing for years with my mother who had dementia and who was also super manipulative to boot. She was constantly threatening to kill herself, continuously saying passive-aggressive things like OH YOU'LL BE SO HAPPY WHEN I'M DEAD which was not her looking for reassurance, either, but just her trying to get a RISE out of me! 😑

Nobody can tell you precisely what your father is doing here, or what games he's playing or not playing, because we don't know him. Nor do we know the intricacies of your relationship with him. But, speaking from my experience with my mother, her dementia and her difficult personality all along, she was going for the drama all the time. Trying to stick it to me and see me get upset and angry so she could then play The Victim card. That was the game. Let me see how far I can push you and how pissed off I can make you, then I'll back off and act like the injured party and expect an apology from YOU. As mom's dementia worsened, so did all these games, until she became very advanced and then it all stopped.

I hope you can find a way to not argue with dad about any of his nonsense because then you both lose. See if you can come up with a pat phrase to say to him like I Love You Dad that may get him off the subject and onto something more pleasant. With memory loss, distraction is usually the key. That and not engaging with him to begin with.

Best of luck with a difficult situation
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Favegirl1 Jul 2022
Thank you for this. I
devoutly hope that he is not trying to press my buttons. I’m
trying not to interact with him very much because it just leads to arguments. Sometimes I feel he knows what he is doing and saying and other times, well I think he really does have dementia,
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I dont know your dad but my mum used to say things like that to me and she still would if I extended my time with her. In her case it is attention seeking behaviour and I dont entertain it anymore and it has stopped, with me anyway. My mum, 2 years ago, gave all her children and grandkids a book of quotes entitled ' Guide to the journey of life' and one of her quotes in the book says "Stop feeling sorry for yourself and you will be happy." I get tempted to repeat her words from her own bk when she gets into pity talk but so far I have resisted (well done me), hence why I keep my visits short 'n sweet.
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Favegirl1 Jul 2022
Thank you for your good advice.
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He is not trying to make you feel bad. He is asking for reassurance. The "correct" response confirms that you do actually want him living in your home and you are happy to be looking after him. If those things are not true, then perhaps it's time for a rethink about the caregiving set-up. Especially if you have got past the point of being able to pretend.

We once had a lady client who, truth be told, was a heck of a handful. We had 30 minutes to get her settled for the night and on my visit to her I was there for an hour, tearing around like a blue-arsed fly and being sniped at with commands and sarcastic comments (how to draw the curtains without knocking her books over, not to rush her when she was standing, not to leave crumbs on the table, that kind of thing). As I was drawing breath and writing up the notes, she asked if I'd be back the next evening; I said I didn't know, but it was possible. "I suppose I can put up with that," she said. Then she said quietly "if you can put up with me." My heart sank for her. She knew very well that she made our work stressful and difficult and it wouldn't make her popular with us, but how could she help being in pain and miserable and fed up with having to have strangers handling her belongings who weren't familiar with her needs and preferences? I can't remember what I said, something cheerful and courteous if probably not true, but it wasn't up to me what calls I was sent on and I never did see her again. I still hope she didn't think it was my choice.

Are you angry with your Dad?

You can never be wrong about how you feel. If you feel hurt by something he says, then you do feel hurt. You're right to tell him that what he said hurt your feelings.

But you (anyone) can be very wrong about another person's intention or meaning. What sort of thing, in what sort of context, is he saying and then denying that he said it? What do you think his intention is?
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Favegirl1 Jul 2022
Thanks Country Mouse first of all for your wise words. Yes I am angry at my Dad a lot. But then I try to remember that his filter is gone or going. But when he says things that hurt me or make me angry, I’m not sure what his intentions are. I don’t think or I’d like to hope that he doesn’t mean to hurt me. He is always apologetic afterwards. I’m very reactionary and volatile. The funny thing is, my Dad had a shocking temper and took a lot of his work pressures out on us as kids. We were terrified of him. Now he is the complete opposite. He never loses his block.
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In case you need a laugh..

I heard an older lady say "I'll be dead soon so you won't have to worry" said with venom.

Carer sent a quick return: Do you know the exact time? I'd prefer if not on my shift - too much paperwork!
Big cackle laugh.. tomorrow then she said.
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Favegirl1 Jul 2022
That is funny. 😂 Thanks Beatty
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"saying he’s going to be dead soon.."

In my non-professional opinion, this sounds like depression.

"I don't know how to reply to this"
Depends on his tone & your style. Matching his emotions validates his feelings.
eg If he sounds sad "Yes, I will be sad when you are gone.. but you are here today! (add a hug 🤗).
If bitter/grumpy, maybe a tiny bit of honesty + humour..? "Well I won't miss your grumbling - but I will miss your ---- (humour/chats/whatever).

"Is he trying to make me feel bad".
I wouldn't jump to that.. Maybe he feels like a burden? The old stoic gen were raised to always avoid being a burden on others.

I have a relative that has said this a few times now. It felt more like expressing worries about her future (or lack of one). Like a little hopelessness creeping in. I reminded her that we will ALL die one day... But that day was not yet here.
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Favegirl1 Aug 2022
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Favegirl, people with dementia can get fixated on a word or a sentence, and repeat it over and over again. The jury still seems to be out as to whether it can be deliberately manipulative, clearly depending on the degree of dementia. An old guy in my MIL’s nursing home called ‘help, help, help’ over and over for hours, when he didn’t need help. It was just automatic. Saying “he’s going to be dead soon and that I won’t have to put up with him anymore” might be one of those. Perhaps he even understands that caring is not a lot of fun for you, he feels guilty, and it’s always in the back of his mind. And many older people say every horrible comment that they have ever thought but not been able to say when they had inhibitions.

If his comments are a one-off, the usual advice is simply to ignore it, and walk out of the room. Or say something like ‘yeah yeah, I’m really a horrible person, that’s all true’ – which stops the argument. If it turns into a spate of nastiness, and you can’t leave him at the time, I’d go for my ear-plugs. If you have got to the point where you can’t stand him, start taking him around to see facilities that might fit. It might even help him to see that being pleasant is his best option! Good luck, Margaret
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Favegirl1 Jul 2022
Thank you. That’s good advice
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