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This might be a common question. Mom was signed on to hospice nine days ago. She has COPD, dementia and early-stage heart failure. She is in Memory Care. The staff has stated her most severe condition is COPD and that is what she is mostly being treated for. Prior to hospice, she was alert and going down to meals each day and participating in conversations. She did have a dry cough from COPD and labored breathing. Hospice recommended a small dose of morphine to reduce the cough and as they explained "to relax the airway". They started that one week ago. Since then, mom's cough got better, but she has been in a glazed over haze ever since. She is barely alert. She sits in a chair and has delayed responses to everything around her. Yesterday, I talked to the hospice nurse and told her I thought it was too much. The nurse disagreed and said mom needed it to prevent "air hunger" and is more comfortable with it than without it. I felt like if I disagreed too much, I was depriving my mother of "comfort". What is more, is that the hospice nurse said staff told her mom was not sleeping through the night and needed rest. I told her it is likely because other medications make her drowsy and she sleeps during the day instead. I asked about alternatives to facilitate sleep that did not involve further drugging my mother, but she did not engage in that conversation all. She said to regulate mom, they recommend Seroquel. Mom is currently on a low dose (25mg), and she recommended increasing it to 50mg at night. I told her my mom is already too "doped up" and I did not agree with adding another sedating medication. I pointed out that my mom is only 95 pounds and asked what the two strong new meds would do to her. She did not give me any answer and kept saying mom needed both meds "to be comfortable". My sister has POA for her. I do not have much of a relationship with my sister so coordinating plans is nearly impossible. At 9:00 this morning the hospice nurse sent a text to both me and my sister that the facility staff left an "after hours" message that mom's condition had gotten worse overnight. First - Why did it take hospice until 9:00 in the morning to update on an urgent change reported in the middle of the night?



I went to visit mom and talk to the hospice nurse, and mom was lying in bed and barely responsive. Her mouth was open, eyes closed, and breathing was labored. In spite of my objections, the nurse said they increased the Seroquel dose to put mom to sleep last night. My mom was a zombie this morning, and even more of a zombie that just 12 hours earlier. The only change I know of is they increased the Seroquel. On top of this, the nurse said they want to start mom the Ativan and Morphine combo. I know what that means. It means mom goes completely unconscious and unresponsive until the end which is likely within hours to days. Is this the way hospice "allows the body to die naturally?" It seems more like putting a pet to sleep to me.



Morphine does make it easier for them to breathe. I understand what you see in the media about overdoses but in reality it is not that easy to overdose on an opioid, especially if a nurse is providing the dose. It is much more likely that your mom was breathing heavy because she is getting close to actively dying, or may have already entered that phase. The heart failure and COPD alone at the end make them start to gasp for air and get fatigued. Without the morphine your mom might be much worse. Morphine can produce a burst of energy in some people. No one is trying to put your mom "to sleep", she is just likely nearing the end of her life.

If you do demand to take it away and I hope you will not, yes, you will be depriving her of comfort. Her organs might be shutting down as well, which is painful. I'm sorry this is happening, it is very sad. I hate to see people so terrified of these drugs, especially toward the end when they are very very helpful for keeping a dying person comfortable. I truly wish I had been able to convince my mom to take the morphine earlier.
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It is time to say your goodbyes. I can tell you in my mom's final day, her Ativan was delayed and I was visiting. I could see her agitation which is why she needed it. Rather than being comfortable, she was tossing around in bed trying to get comfortable. It would take the med a while to finally get her to settle again
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Hospice is providing their tried-and-true method of end-of-life care to your mom. You can't expect her to be the way you want her to be when dying requires her to be a completely different way! You wouldn't want her to be awake and chatty but screaming in pain.

Let Hospice do what Hospice does. Your mom has lived her life, and she was lucky to have a kind and concerned daughter who cares about her. Step back from decision-making. That's not why you're there. Hold mom's hand. Pray with her if you like. Tell her you love her.

That's what I'd want my daughter to do for me.
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If your mom is Medicated and still having labored breathing, she is entering the actively dying phase.

Would you rather her more alert but anxious because she can’t breathe? Have you personally experienced labored breathing and air hunger?

Your mother or her POA chose this route because it’s what your mother wanted.

It’s jarring to watch someone die. This is not a bad death— there is such a thing as a very bad death and you don’t want that for your mom, trust me.

I’m so sorry your mom is dying. HUGS.
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My dad did home hospice so it was me that gave him the meds. The first thing that stunned me was when upon the intake hospice discontinued most of the many meds dad had been on for years. All were meds we’d been told were vital, yet when they were gone, there was zero difference in dad at all. He’d had progressing CHF for a long time. When his decline began it was swift. I used morphine, Ativan, and haldol with the guidance of the hospice nurse, mostly just the first two. The morphine did ease the struggle to breathe, and the Ativan helped keep him calm. I considered them a gift. If they shortened dad’s life by a few hours that’s also a gift, though I’m not convinced that happened. While you’re watching this all happen, there’s tremendous doubt and worry, it all feels very unnatural and strange. Somehow we think it’s too fast and maybe shouldn’t be happening at all. Yet we’re seeing a natural process, one being helped with some meds to keep things calmer. I’m sorry you’re in this place, I well remember how tough it is. I wish you and mom both much peace
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Thanks. I think overall I understand what you have stated.


I suppose sedation makes the dying process easier, for lack of a better way to describe it. Of course, they are "peaceful" - they are out of it.


Yes, it is the hardest thing to witness. Yes, I am second guessing everyone in the process.
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southernwave 8 hours ago
This is natural. Just know this is what your mom wanted.
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I don't know if our experience is typical, but my FIL was hospitalized multiple times over several month time frame. He was fully of sound mind but his body was dying. He told the Dr that he was tired and wanted to know what it would look like to go on hospice. The Dr was very honest. He told Dad and our family that if Dad chose to, he could go home on hospice with all medications stopped except for comfort meds. This meant that they would administer meds to keep him from having pain and/or anxiety which would have the result of strong sedation. Dad passed peacefully in his sleep about a week later. Prior to the hospice decision, he was alert, walking, eating, talking, and fully cognitively aware. But his body was tired and dying. It was very sad and heartwrenching to see him go from fully functioning mentally to fully sedated. We hated watching it. But the sedation allowed a peaceful passing without agitation or anxiety. I wish every Dr would take the time to gently and kindly explain hospice to all family members so that they can be prepared for what it looks like. It is okay to be sad, heartbroken, and hurting at this point of your mother's journey.
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They're not trying to put your mom to sleep, as a pet would be, but to keep her comfortable, especially with breathing issues. Only your sister as POA can fire hospice or tell them to discontinue meds she disagrees with. Can you find a way to speak to your sister about your concerns? Maybe you can come together on this issue, Idk.

This is a very difficult time for us, to watch our mother's decline. I too wanted to blame hospice for overmedicating mom so, as POA, I told them to dx the Ativan which they did. Mom was still out of it and continuing to decline w/o it. Sometimes a decline coincides with an increase in meds. What I do know is this, your poor mom is 95 lbs with dementia and COPD working against her at this point. Allow her to get the comfort care she needs so she can rest and relax at this point in her journey. It's hard, the hardest thing you'll ever witness. You'll second guess yourself. You'll second guess hospice. You'll rail at God. And you'll cry. I went through it twice with my parents. It was their time to die. Idk if hospice sped up their journey by a few days, and in the end, I don't care. Because they were both at peace when they did cross over to meet God.

Sending you a hug and a prayer for peace.
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