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Sleep apnea and some other medical decisions. She drinks a lot and smokes a lot. She keeps getting involved with men that scam her for money and makes terrible decisions that could be life threatening. She’s a compulsive liar and won’t let me help her. How do I go about getting a pysch evaluation for her, I have talked with her doctor once before and she lies to him also so I’m at my wits end. Please help!

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What's your gut feeling to what's behind her behaviour?

Re "compulsive liar".
People lie for many reasons.

Rewards? Lie to get what gives her fun/excitement? (smokes, drink, attention from men)

Control? Fear of losing control so lies to avoid involving others - to stay independant.

Denial or lack of insight?
Eg I am NOT getting old. I CAN cook, shower, buy things online safely etc (even if evidence shows this is not actually the case).

Not all risk takers are bored teens! There are elders that KNOW they are behaving in risky ways - yet choose to do so.

They hear the advice & know if they lose all their money gambling or to yet another scam there will be no money for bills/food - yet they gamble or take risks with money anyway.

As pointed out, making bad decisions is not illegal.

So what do you suspect?
A long held mental health problem? Addiction issues? Or changed behaviour - something NEW?
New memory problems?
New planning or problem solving? Changes to personality? Recent stroke? Or other serious health issue?

Getting an emergency psych eval is a high bar: Maybe only available for risk to own life or serious violence/threat to others.

Although you may see risk to safety (financial loss, poor health decisions) this may not be enough for any intervention.

Seek advice from Mom's Doctor with your concerns. While they may not be able/willing to discuss her private info without her consent or presence, it's worth a go as the Doctor can LISTEN to concerns. This can trigger a 'checkup' appointment where the Doctor does some subtle cognitive screening tests. This approach worked for me.
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If Mom is considered competent, your POA means nothing. If Springing its only in effect if a doctor or two declares her incompetent to make informed decisions.

You may have to wait until something happens to get her help. This is where your POA would come in. Its a tool so if Mom cannot speak for herself, someone can. It doesn't mean you financially support her or physically care for her. You also aren't at her beck and call.

Be aware if the State takes over her care, you will have no say in where she is placed or in her care. Quickest way to get her care though.
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fowlerc80 Aug 2022
Thank you so much for your help.
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I did contact APS last year and they didn’t do anything at all sadly and she is no way being abused she’s just making terrible decisions that could put her at risk with her health and safety with men she doesn’t even know😭
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As Long that she communicates about her care, you can do nothing. You might want to contact APS as a person st risk, to start a chart on her, even if she refuses to let them in. I doubt they will do anything. This is for just in case someone accuses you of abuse as her POA.
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What possible help do you imagine your Mom's diagnosis with some psychiatric condition or another would be? It would be NO help. It isn't against the law to be mentally ill. It isn't against the law to make poor decisions.
Youneed to act in your own behalf. I hope against hope that Mom isn't living with you, because you have a world of woe to pry her out at this point. If you are living with her you need to get a job, an apartment, and leave.
Mom can make her own decisions for her own life and by now it must be clear that she intends to do just that. You cannot change others. You CAN act to protect yourself,and it is my fervent hope for you that you will do so.
I suggest you legally resign as POA and inform any entities you are acting for Mom with that you have resigned. It is a simple letter to your Mom to do so. The state will act for her if she requires it.
Suggested reading is Liz Scheier's excellent book, a memoir of her lifetime trying to help her mother with the help of New York City and State (and she never could help her)--title is Never Simple.
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fowlerc80 Aug 2022
Thank you so much for your answer to my question it was really helpful.
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